[Game] Kings at Lakers, 1/4/2022 7:30pm PT/10:30pm ET

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Um, for what it's worth I have no idea who he is either. <shrug> I can't recall the last time I've heard a Lakers broadcast. Likely a decade or more. And I don't pay a lot of attention to the other team broadcasters anyways. So it's not unreasonable in my eyes.

Perhaps..; As I've gotten older, my perspective has changed on the importance of getting people's names right, and/or actually addressing people by their appropriate name and title, as opposed to simply by their job description.

 

[sactowndog]

This is about common sense though. There clearly needs to be a rule adjustment

You could well be correct but the refs job is to apply the rules as written not rewrite on the fly.

 

[steelevt]

It would have been fair to give the Kings the ball, when they didn't have possession?

If they did, I bet the lakers wouldn’t have batted an eye, not knowing the minor detail of the rule.

 

[miltonap]

You could well be correct but the refs job is to apply the rules as written not rewrite on the fly.

I understand, I think there needs to be some leeway though for something so obvious. It clearly wasn't fair.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

If they did, I bet the lakers wouldn’t have batted an eye, not knowing the minor detail of the rule.

You're right, but that doesn't mean it would have been fair. Besides, as you previously noted, if the Kings don't commit thirteen more turnovers, it probably doesn't come down to that.

 

[steelevt]

I understand, I think there needs to be some leeway though for something so obvious. It clearly wasn't fair.

In a close game in the playoffs or finals, who’s to stop the home time keeper from doing the same thing when time is running out? You’re up 1 and miss a ft near the end of a game. 90% of the time the defensive team gets the rebound and a shot to go ahead. Start the clock early. Refs catch it and it’s a jump ball. Instead of the low % chance of you rebounding a missed ft, you have a 50/50 chance at a jump ball.

 

[miltonap]

You're right, but that doesn't mean it would have been fair. Besides, as you previously noted, if the Kings don't commit thirteen more turnovers, it probably doesn't come down to that.

I think it would have been very fair and that there needs to be an adjustment made somewhere.

You are correct that the Kings shouldn't have committed so many turnovers, but still, it was just a ghastly (albeit legally correct) ruling to me

 

[steelevt]

You're right, but that doesn't mean it would have been fair. Besides, as you previously noted, if the Kings don't commit thirteen more turnovers, it probably doesn't come down to that.

True. It might not have even effected the outcome of the game. But still does suck to get screwed by the refs against the lakers tho. Even if you’re screwed legally

 

[KainLear]

It was a conundrum, if Fox did touch the ball, the clock should start. Because he didn't and it started, that's where the error is but it is a neutral ground error. Yet because of the refs blew the whistle out of a neutral ground error, Fox didn't have possession, thus it goes into jump ball.

It just sucks but it sums up our season, just botching it.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

You know what? I don't really want to hear the argument about "by the book". I understand from a rules point of view why the call was what it was. But since when do NBA refs call things by the book? Players are allowed to get away with traveling because they have a "signature move". They're allowed to get away with carrying the ball. Lane violations happen on basically every free throw and they're almost never called. Examples of officials NOT calling the rules as written are endless. Officials have a LOT of leeway to interpret the rules, and what De'Aaron Fox had, all alone in the backcourt standing directly next to the ball and pointing out a clock operator's error is as close to possession as to make no difference. If "that's not a travel" and "that's not a carry" and "that's not a lane violation", then damn well "that's possession".

I don't care if we had little chance to win, and I'm not asking for a replay from the time of the error, but Adam Silver has to come out - tomorrow - and fix this: "Although the call was technically correct by the rulebook, it was very clearly unfair. The Rules Committee will be convening this week to adopt a rule change that will ensure this situation never happens again."

 

[KainLear]

You know what? I don't really want to hear the argument about "by the book". I understand from a rules point of view why the call was what it was. But since when do NBA refs call things by the book? Players are allowed to get away with traveling because they have a "signature move". They're allowed to get away with carrying the ball. Lane violations happen on basically every free throw and they're almost never called. Examples of officials NOT calling the rules as written are endless. Officials have a LOT of leeway to interpret the rules, and what De'Aaron Fox had, all alone in the backcourt standing directly next to the ball and pointing out a clock operator's error is as close to possession as to make no difference. If "that's not a travel" and "that's not a carry" and "that's not a lane violation", then damn well "that's possession".

I don't care if we had little chance to win, and I'm not asking for a replay from the time of the error, but Adam Silver has to come out - tomorrow - and fix this: "Although the call was technically correct by the rulebook, it was very clearly unfair. The Rules Committee will be convening this week to adopt a rule change that will ensure this situation never happens again."

Might be the first time I see you arguing against "fact".

 

[Groovygreg]

With some bigger contributions from more players in the Kings rotation, this game doesn’t come down to the wire.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Might be the first time I see you arguing against "fact".

Somewhere in there, deeply hidden, I do have a shard of a heart.

 

[KainLear]

With some bigger contributions from more players in the Kings rotation, this game doesn’t come down to the wire.

We are the Sacramento Kings. We aren't the ones who have the rights to challenge laws and rulings. We always get the shorter end of the stick. I don't have facts and numbers but we seem to be on the losing end of the coach's challenges more often than not.

Like I said earlier, NBA is an exclusive league of gentlemen playing basketball by their own rules. There's a reason that these small-market teams manage to keep so many of those stigmas about small-market teams, about players not wanting to be in a tiny cow town, the general audience doesn't care to watch those small-market teams, and everything in between just seem to suggest to an non-American like me to never ask for fairness in such settings.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

We are the Sacramento Kings. We aren't the ones who have the rights to challenge laws and rulings. We always get the shorter end of the stick. I don't have facts and numbers but we seem to be on the losing end of the coach's challenges more often than not.

Like I said earlier, NBA is an exclusive league of gentlemen playing basketball by their own rules. There's a reason that these small-market teams manage to keep so many of those stigmas about small-market teams, about players not wanting to be in a tiny cow town, the general audience doesn't care to watch those small-market teams, and everything in between just seem to suggest to an non-American like me to never ask for fairness in such settings.

This reads like a Moment of Clarity. Sounds like a good reason to get Off That Narcotic™.

 

[KainLear]

This reads like a Moment of Clarity. Sounds like a good reason to get Off That Narcotic™.

Good point. This actually reminds me to go back on my chosen Narcotic™.

 

[Letsgokings13]

You know what? I don't really want to hear the argument about "by the book". I understand from a rules point of view why the call was what it was. But since when do NBA refs call things by the book? Players are allowed to get away with traveling because they have a "signature move". They're allowed to get away with carrying the ball. Lane violations happen on basically every free throw and they're almost never called. Examples of officials NOT calling the rules as written are endless. Officials have a LOT of leeway to interpret the rules, and what De'Aaron Fox had, all alone in the backcourt standing directly next to the ball and pointing out a clock operator's error is as close to possession as to make no difference. If "that's not a travel" and "that's not a carry" and "that's not a lane violation", then damn well "that's possession".

I don't care if we had little chance to win, and I'm not asking for a replay from the time of the error, but Adam Silver has to come out - tomorrow - and fix this: "Although the call was technically correct by the rulebook, it was very clearly unfair. The Rules Committee will be convening this week to adopt a rule change that will ensure this situation never happens again."

$ilver won't do anything but count his money lol

 

[Letsgokings13]

Some good things from the Kings but too many lapses.

Shocking.

 

[Groovygreg]

Shocking.

Right? Completely out of character for this poised, disciplined Kings squad.

 

[steelevt]

I think it was the correct call. No one established possession when the refs blew their whistle. Fox out smarted himself.

Fox owned up to it. He said “Next time I’ll know. I’ll grab the ball…then say y’all f’ed up the clock”

 

[KingsFanSince85]

You know what? I don't really want to hear the argument about "by the book". I understand from a rules point of view why the call was what it was. But since when do NBA refs call things by the book? Players are allowed to get away with traveling because they have a "signature move". They're allowed to get away with carrying the ball. Lane violations happen on basically every free throw and they're almost never called. Examples of officials NOT calling the rules as written are endless. Officials have a LOT of leeway to interpret the rules, and what De'Aaron Fox had, all alone in the backcourt standing directly next to the ball and pointing out a clock operator's error is as close to possession as to make no difference. If "that's not a travel" and "that's not a carry" and "that's not a lane violation", then damn well "that's possession".

I don't care if we had little chance to win, and I'm not asking for a replay from the time of the error, but Adam Silver has to come out - tomorrow - and fix this: "Although the call was technically correct by the rulebook, it was very clearly unfair. The Rules Committee will be convening this week to adopt a rule change that will ensure this situation never happens again."

IDK that it’s possible to agree with something more than I agree with this.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

They absolutely knew it was a ridiculous call. The rules were simply not designed for that situation, but instead of realizing that and calling an audible, they went with a by-the-book interpretation of the rules that made no sense and only hurt a team that did everything right.

Isn’t it odd that weird situations like that never seem to come up and go against the marquee franchises?

Color me shocked.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

One last comment: this LAL team his hot garbage.

Unless the NBA‘s powers-that-be stage something, that team has no chance come May and June.

And I’m quite happy to see them floundering.

 

[Entity]

I mean, I guess. It's just that dude has been doing color for the lakers since '87, and even if, as you say, you only watch the lakers when they're playing the Kings, there's a greater than zero percent chance that you've had to hear a lakers broadcast more than once in the last thirty-five years, so not knowing his name seems kind of deliberate.

It's not really that serious, it just strikes me as weird.

I couldn’t name an announcer for any other team in the nba lol. I have to watch Atlanta broadcast every time the play kings and I know Wilkins. That’s it lol. Announcers names is just not that important to me. I mean who sits there and says omg I gotta know these guys names. I’m one of those people that you can introduce yourself to me and in 1 hour I don’t remember it.

 

[ESP47]

Hope Buddy keeps building up his trade value.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I couldn’t name an announcer for any other team in the nba lol. I have to watch Atlanta broadcast every time the play kings and I know Wilkins. That’s it lol. Announcers names is just not that important to me...

Mileage obviously varies, but I feel like, if you're going to criticize someone's job performance, you should do the bare minimum of knowing what their name is.

 

[Entity]

Mileage obviously varies, but I feel like, if you're going to criticize someone's job performance, you should do the bare minimum of knowing what their name is.

Oh ok so you criticized the time keeper last night. What’s their name? Come on dude just stop.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Oh ok so you criticized the time keeper last night.

No, I didn't. You must have me confused with the other mod.

 

[Entity]

No, I didn't. You must have me confused with the other mod.

Either way I’m not sure why you chose to pick this fight with me because I didn’t know the guys name. Maybe you should take a break until the self-opinionated phase wears off. I’m sorry I didn’t know the guys name geez.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Either way I’m not sure why you chose to pick this fight with me because I didn’t know the guys name. Maybe you should take a break until the self-opinionated phase wears off. I’m sorry I didn’t know the guys name geez.

I'm not picking a fight with you. I made a comment, you pushed back, and I'm pushing back against your pushback.