[News] Kings and Schroder agree on three year 45 million dollar contract. No sign and trade

Don’t the Kings still have trade exceptions from LaVine they could send here to maintain our MLE and keep Monk for other?

Or will that go to our grave with the IT trade exception and an Alex Oriahki jersey?

Edit: it appears that is what has happened.

Joy. This offseason isn’t dead yet
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
And how are we gonna know his potential when we’re playing sorry ass vets in front of him in our quest for the 11th seed. How’s he getting more than 15mpg with Lavine, Schroeder, and westbrick or Brogdan in front of him. Where’s Keon playing? Why would Keon resign after playing less than 25 minutes a game this year. Kill three horses at once: lose Keon and derail the development of Keegan and Carter
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Look, I’m not advocating for anything that will stunt the development of any of the youth. However the front office seems hellbent on getting another established PG and if that were to happen I’d be more interested in Brogdan than Westbrook.
If it were up to me most of the dumb ass moves over the years on the Kings would have never happened, but they continue so I just put out a thought.
Some posters here just like to argue, or talk about how hot the white girls are in Utah, it’s not even constructive.
 
Apparently, the Kings have picked up the phone and revived the possibility of a sign-and-trade for Dennis Schröder and Malik Monk to change teams. It was reported by Jake Fischer. I will believe it when I see it. Remember that nothing can be signed until noon on July 6.
 
TheMobb said:
But here’s the issue with the new CBA and teams getting heavily penalized with these aprons. Moving that type of money is extremely difficult now, so what is it exactly you want the Kings to do? If there are no options on dumping that kind of money without say attaching future 1st round picks is that what you want the team to do? Because at that point it just makes sense to let the money expire. The Kings have pretty much clean books in 2027 and all their picks moving forward, no reason to dump future assets to clear those contracts this season.
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There is plenty of reason to dump them - opportunity costs. Keegan Murray needs to be a primary threat in the offense, not a ball boy for DDR. People talk about culture. Well, what is the cultural signal sent when you keep old baggage on the team because you think it's going to provide some financial gain in 2027??? It's crap culture. That's what. The fans know they are seeing dead men walking. The players know it. Going through the motions for some unknown financial gain. I really can't stand that way of thinking. It's total loserville as far as I am concerned. I've seen enough of it over the years as a Kings' fan. Just get on with life and suck it up and deal with the fact that this team screwed up bigtime and they aren't going to have some prolonged limbo of watching the charade of DDR and LaVine on this team.
 
Caccia said:
Apparently, the Kings have picked up the phone and revived the possibility of a sign-and-trade for Dennis Schröder and Malik Monk to change teams. It was reported by Jake Fischer. I will believe it when I see it. Remember that nothing can be signed until noon on July 6.
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Allegedly we are in on Kuminga too. 3 plus days to sort out any sign and trade
 
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SacKings123 said:
www.nbcsportsbayarea.com

Source: Warriors, Kings, Pistons discussing Jonathan Kuminga-Malik Monk-Dennis Schroder trade

The Sacramento Kings would revamp part of their roster if they finalize a three-team trade with the Golden State Warriors and Detroit Pistons.
www.nbcsportsbayarea.com www.nbcsportsbayarea.com

TLDR

Pistons: Monk
Warriors: Devin Carter, Saric, 2 second rounders (from Sac)
Kings: Kuminga
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Hope this happens, but Anthony Slater just tweeted nothing is close, and Brett Seigel thinks the Warriors wouldn’t have interest in trading Kuminga to Sac.
 
SacKings123 said:
Pistons: Monk
Warriors: Devin Carter, Saric, 2 second rounders (from Sac)
Kings: Kuminga
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TheMobb said:
Hope this happens, but Anthony Slater just tweeted nothing is close, and Brett Seigel thinks the Warriors wouldn’t have interest in trading Kuminga to Sac.
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I like Kuminga, but I don’t want the KINGS to part with Devin Carter just yet. I’d like to see a full season w/o what happened to him last offseason.

As for the Warriors not having interest in trading Kuminga to SAC — well, that works both ways. I don’t imagine the KINGS having a lot of interest in trading Carter nor anyone else to GSW.
 
SacKings123 said:
www.nbcsportsbayarea.com

Source: Warriors, Kings, Pistons discussing Jonathan Kuminga-Malik Monk-Dennis Schroder trade

The Sacramento Kings would revamp part of their roster if they finalize a three-team trade with the Golden State Warriors and Detroit Pistons.
www.nbcsportsbayarea.com www.nbcsportsbayarea.com

TLDR

Pistons: Monk
Warriors: Devin Carter, Saric, 2 second rounders (from Sac)
Kings: Kuminga
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OMG if that deal goes thru with monk and Carter gone that would mean we would go for westbrick next which would be awful!!!!
 
serbiangoat said:
Dennis is a nice player but with zero upside giving him a 3 year deal 15mil per is crazy, that's the kind of deal you give him maybe when he was showing signs when he was like 21 and backing up Jeff Teague at a high level and was looking like a potential good starting PG which he could never prove he was.
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In 2025? No, 15 mil per is equivalent to like 5-6 million 10-12 years ago
 
TheMobb said:
Hope this happens, but Anthony Slater just tweeted nothing is close, and Brett Seigel thinks the Warriors wouldn’t have interest in trading Kuminga to Sac.
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Once details are reported and people start talking about it being 2-3 days out, I always lose any hope if I had any to begin with. I think the deals we don't hear about will be the trades that hit our timeline, similar to the Jonas trade that came outta nowhere.
 
NewArena said:
Once details are reported and people start talking about it being 2-3 days out, I always lose any hope if I had any to begin with. I think the deals we don't hear about will be the trades that hit our timeline, similar to the Jonas trade that came outta nowhere.
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Not really sure what the Warriors are doing with Kuminga to be honest. At this point it seems like they are spiting him just to spite him. Either trade him for assets or extend the poor guy. I get he hasnt been consistent but that is as much the coaching staff at fault as him. He will hace stretches where he plays very well, and then will be benched for an intermittent length of time and unlear reasons.

As far as the inter-divisional trade, i also dont want to see devin carter on the warriors but i think if the Kings want to compete rather than develop, we have do take the risk. For the warriors, if they have enough faith that trading Kuminga in the division would come back to hurt them, then they should be extending him.

What doesnt make sense hhere is why would Detroit take Monk now when they didnt want him before? And why would you need detroit in this to deal for Kuminga. Would make more sense for all parties that the Warriors would get Saric and Monk and Devin Carter would go to Detroit (which i could swallow better if devin develops into something special as I suspect he would). In this scenario, for Kuminga in a S/T, would the contract work currently given he is a RFA who was given a $7-8M QO? The warrior would be taking nearly $20M back so my understanding is the most we would be able to give Kuminga would be in the $19-22M range which he may balk at but if his agent is honest, may be the most anyone could or would pay him with how the warriors killed his value. HOWEVER, with BYC rules the most he can be signed for if immediately traded is ~$12-13M. So I think that would hard capnus at the apron if im not mistaken. We still have a jam with DDR and Lavine.

While we are sending out $23M in contracts we would be taking back nearly $34M but schroeder could be absorbed by the TPE for.
 
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The_Jamal said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1940798185636516232
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twslam07 said:
So passing creation volume is an A+ and passing creation quality is a F? So he generates a lot of crappy passes? Yay for us! ;)

But in all seriousness, I don't know what to make of that. Would probably be helpful to know what each of these rows actually mean.
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Found it! Here's what the site says for these metrics...

Playmaking Talent:
Playmaking Talent is Basketball Index’s in house passing metric. It’s made up of 5 components.

Passing Creation Volume – Potential Assist + FT Assist.

Passing Creation Quality – The expected eFG% on Potential Assists generated based on shot quality.

Passing Versatility – An estimate of the diversity of passes a player makes.

Passing Efficiency – This compares bad pass turnovers against expectations, considering the quality and versatility of shots created for teammates. Think of this as an advanced Assist-to-turnover ratio.

On-Ball Gravity: An estimate of the defensive attention an offensive player commands while they have the ball. An example of this would be a defender going over a screen in a pick and roll.

All of the components of Playmaking Talent are stabilized meaning they have a small amount of league average attempts added to their totals to make them more predictable and combat small sample size. The idea behind the metric is that it weighs the volume, shot quality created, versatility, passing efficiency, and defensive attention a player generates. This helps deal with the issue of a player racking up a bunch of low-quality Assists because they have the ball a lot. Attracting defensive attention and creating open shots for teammates on volume is hard to fudge.
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twslam07 said:
So passing creation volume is an A+ and passing creation quality is a F? So he generates a lot of crappy passes? Yay for us! ;)

But in all seriousness, I don't know what to make of that. Would probably be helpful to know what each of these rows actually mean.
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Yeah its definetly a weird split. My first thought is his teammates suck and can't finish? But this basically says he's a high volume ball handler and creates a lot of opportunity. Maybe not "good" opportunity though?
 
The_Jamal said:
Yeah its definetly a weird split. My first thought is his teammates suck and can't finish? But this basically says he's a high volume ball handler and creates a lot of opportunity. Maybe not "good" opportunity though?
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Hm. Strange. But maybe that's sufficient? Since theoretically Domas should be the hub through which "good" opportunities get generated in the Kings' offense, anyway.
 
Padrino said:
Hm. Strange. But maybe that's sufficient? Since theoretically Domas should be the hub through which "good" opportunities get generated in the Kings' offense, anyway.
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In theory, we have a lot of good "finishers" too. But maybe lacking decent initators outside of Domas?

Something about that split screams Kings Rondo too though. Like he's hunting for assist opportunities.

We'll see though, I'm definitely not mad he grades out well in most of those stats
 
If Kumingas camp says either pay me and increase my role or trade me to Sac who is willing to pay me and feature me in their offense what does Mike Dunleavy do?
 
TheMobb said:
If Kumingas camp says either pay me and increase my role or trade me to Sac who is willing to pay me and feature me in their offense what does Mike Dunleavy do?
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If he really wanted to be vindictive they could renounce his rights. Then he's looking at MLE max with no sign and trade available.
 
Section 101 said:
If he really wanted to be vindictive they could renounce his rights. Then he's looking at MLE max with no sign and trade available.
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I think to a certain extent they are hoping that by painting the Kings as unreasonable in a sign and trade offer they can force him to a contract in the MLE to 20m neighborhood since nobody has money. I also think this is sort of the Keon strategy, nobody will have money so he can take MLE with a stranger or 18 with us.
 
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