Kayte C needs to be replaced

KingsFanSince85 said:
I have always detested the double standard of male/female broadcasters. Typically, the men on the panel are wearing a jacket and tie, or at the very least some type of business attire (even if business casual) while the seemingly majority of women get to wear their Friday night clubbing outfits. Usually no collars or sleeves.

Yet we’re constantly lectured about taking these women seriously as “journalists/broadcasters” like their male colleagues. Sorry, but that’s hypocrisy at its finest.

I’ve heard people say “well, they are directed to dress that way by their employers”. While likely partly true, I don’t hear many of these women crying Argentina about it in the press or leveraging “me too” to expose their horrible bosses for making them dress in a manner that makes them uncomfortable. So I gotta assume that most of them simply prefer to show themselves off.

And if that’s what they want to do — more power. But the consequences of showing off their figures is that many viewers aren’t going to take them as seriously as their male counterparts who dress much more professionally/conservatively. And many of us don’t want to hear them complain when that happens. And even more than that, many of us don’t want to hear them complain when they are viewed as objects or when receiving negative comments about their attire.

You reap what you sow when making adult decisions.
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The thing is the networks demand it. I am sure many women would prefer to dress more conservatively but would lose opportunities if they don't. I believe @Mr. S£im Citrus has a favorite basketball announcer who isn't conventionally hot and so she is buried on the C or D team. Even Doris Burke was clearly forced by ESPN to put more effort into conforming to conventional beauty standards a number of years back from her appearance when she first started getting big national games.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
He's right and you don't like it. Simply put, it's not politically correct enough for you
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I completely disagree with @KingsFanSince85's take on this as well (was just trying to say so in a more playful way) but I wouldn't say that makes it wrong. [You're calling @KainLear's take wrong here, but same difference]. Disagreement isn't always about broad cultural statements. Sometimes it's just about our own personal biases, and that's fine. I don't respect anyone more because they're wearing a suit and tie. Often it's the opposite, actually. I'm immediately suspicious of someone who looks like they're presenting themselves as respectable. I think that's because it signals conformity to me -- which is my least favorite flavor of tea.
 
Some real ass-showing going on in here. Do some of you even know any women? Like, any at all? And if you do, do you ever ask them questions? Are you ever curious about their perspective on these matters? Ask any woman what it's actually like to try and dress "professionally" in a world in which a "suit and tie" is what's considered "professional." It's a world in which men dictate the standard of "professionalism" despite the fact that the standard of "professionalism" doesn't conform particularly well to the female body, especially if you're a woman of Kayte's physical stature. Toss a heaping pile of "beauty standards"--that men are not asked to conform to, by the way--into the mix, and you've got yourself a recipe for a complex and deeply uncomfortable issue for women. But no, let's ignore what centuries' worth of study have told us about being a woman "in a man's world". Surely Kayte must be "asking for it" instead. 🙄
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
He's right and you don't like it. Simply put, it's not politically correct enough for you
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I hardly know where to begin.

First, I don’t have a stance on whether a network encourages female reporters to dress a certain way to “show off their figures.” My issue from the start was that some of you felt the need to bring up her outfits at all, complete with air-quoted remarks about it being “likeable.” Then you added,
ShastaKingsFan said:
They wouldn't wear them, if it didn't gain interest
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I will refrain from explaining what that insinuates.

On top of that, there was a detailed justification for why male commentators wear business attire, described neatly as “jacket and tie”, while female commentators’ attire was generalized as “Friday night clubbing outfits.”
KingsFanSince85 said:
I’ve heard people say “well, they are directed to dress that way by their employers”. While likely partly true, I don’t hear many of these women crying Argentina about it in the press or leveraging “me too” to expose their horrible bosses for making them dress in a manner that makes them uncomfortable. So I gotta assume that most of them simply prefer to show themselves off.
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But you know what? The problem is simply that it’s “not politically correct enough” for me.


You can have any preferences and opinions about anyone, male or female, so I respect that. And for the sake of keeping this a sports-only forum, you can have this one.

(EDIT: My advice? Just stick to calling her commentary annoying and her unnecessarily long stories tangent.)
 
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Mod note: Just a quick reminder that we do have a forum rule which says to be respectful. I think this can be a productive discussion to have as Kayte has been a frequent topic in game threads for awhile now and this is a better place for it. I just wanted to remind everyone to do their best to discuss this without making it personal.
 
QWERTYLICIOUS said:
Someone should organize a KingsFans.com livestream for one of the games!
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Chupacabra said:
Lets get a Livestream...
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ShastaKingsFan said:
Since action otherwise won't likely be taken, I had to replace her and the partners with my mute button. I do my own analysis and commentary... and let me tell you, it vastly improves the experience
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Sounds like a good idea to me! I'm embarrassed to admit though that I have no idea how to create a Livestream and I'm supposed to be part of one of the "tech savvy" generations. Does anyone here have a kid / grandkid who can set this up for us?
 
KainLear said:
I hardly know where to begin.

First, I don’t have a stance on whether a network encourages female reporters to dress a certain way to “show off their figures.” My issue from the start was that some of you felt the need to bring up her outfits at all, complete with air-quoted remarks about it being “likeable.” Then you added,

I will refrain from explaining what that insinuates.

On top of that, there was a detailed justification for why male commentators wear business attire, described neatly as “jacket and tie”, while female commentators’ attire was generalized as “Friday night clubbing outfits.”

But you know what? The problem is simply that it’s “not politically correct enough” for me.


You can have any preferences and opinions about anyone, male or female, so I respect that. And for the sake of keeping this a sports-only forum, you can have this one.

(EDIT: My advice? Just stick to calling her commentary annoying and her unnecessarily long stories tangent.)
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Katie was just talking about her outfits last week on the morning show. About how she cant wear the same outfit more than once during the season. It's not men who notice that, but women. Women put more pressure on the outfits than men. Men dont care if she wears the same outfit every game.
 
TaxMan said:
Yikes... I'm not touching or cosigning some of the sentiment posted in this thread, but I will agree that I really don't like Katie's color commentary. That said, I find probably 75% of local broadcast color commentary to be unbearable. Katie's main problem is just the basics of knowing when to stop talking based on gameplay.
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See? It's this easy.

Call people out on their BS, or whatever you perceived to be. Person is hired for a job and said person is subjected to criticism on the performance of said job. I don't agree with you but I fully respect your concern of her as a commentator.

Just because someone might be wrong for a job, that doesn't mean the whole of said someone is subjected to criticism.
 
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