Jimmer

That's true, I hate when he does that...I, as well as many others I'm sure, was taught at a young age to never leave my feet unless I was going to shoot, or knew what my next move was....this is something that is hammered into kids heads at a very young age....but Jimmer's not the only one I see do it at the NBA level...in fact I was watching the Suns/Heat game tonight and Dragic did it...he was out at the corner 3, got the ball, ran in baseline and around the hoop he jumped up in the air, and THEN looked for a pass...he ended up throwing it back towards the free throw line but there was no one in the immediate area and it resulted in a turnover. But back on topic, i think it IS necessary to give him the green light, like sdballer said, without fear of retribution from the coach, in order for him to do well...I have no doubt in my mind that the reason he's playing poorly (MOST of the time...can't say all the time...sometimes people just have bad nights..) is because he's afraid of making coach mad, losing playing time, etc.

If that's the case, he's in for a very frustrating time. Kevin Martin came to the team with a lot of support of the home fans in Ohio, and he pretty much disappeared for the first couple of years. He didn't bow to the fear, however, because he had been fighting for legitimacy and his slot in the NBA for a long time. Jimmer needs to develop some fight and some real hunger for success. I do not doubt that he has some skills but I am becoming more and more convinced that he's just not tough enough for the NBA.
 
Interesting take on why Jimmer isn't playing...

"I have no idea why he chooses not to play Jimmer but it may have something to do with Steve Alford. Twenty-five years ago, Smart had to subordinate his own high-flying college career to Alford, a good-looking, articulate, popular white kid (can I say that?) who could really shoot. Smart may have hit the NCAA tournament winning shot but Alford was the reason that Indiana was even in the game and he was a media darling who then had a mediocre pro career. I don't think Smart can let go of Steve Alford and Jimmer will sit on the bench until either he is traded or Smart is fired--that simple."

That's strike two. I'm totally serious - continue in the reverse-racism vein and your time here is going to be very, very short. The moderators here didn't just fall off the truck. We're able to recognize and deal with problems right up front. It's one of the reasons KF has been around for such a long time. Hopefully this SECOND word to the wise will sink in.
 
Jimmer did what he could last night, he made some quick buckets and tried his best to defend Curry. Curry got away with a cheap foul call on Jimmer, and on the possessions he played Curry he did an excellent job in my opinion. I really thought at half time we were going to see some more Jimmer, too bad for him that Brooks was feeling it.
 
the only real problem with Jimmer being in there before the half was that it made no sense whatsoever. how many teams decide to randomly play a thirdstringer just before half? and then a 3rd string point guard at that? in a close game? after having just lost their first three games? with a team begging for more stable rotations and clearly defined roles on offense? makes. no. sense.

also, what now? Jimmer played well. great. is he now going to get more playing time? if so, then over whom? over Isaiah, who is probably not at his most confident anyway, after having Brooks taking over pretty much all of the crunch time minutes and struggling with his game anyway? over Brooks, who just pretty much saved the Kings their only win this season? over Reke, who, aside from last game, has been playing good basketball, especially defensively. over MT, who...yeah no, not going to happen.

irritating is what it is.
 
Everyone saying Smart has no bias are simply wrong.

I followed Golden State's season when Smart was coaching because I was a fan of JLin having watched him all through his college career. Smart sat him on the pine all season behind ACIE LAW. Even when Acie was playing like *** he would get his minutes every game because he and Smart were "boys." Jeremy played a total of 29 games for the entire season averaging under 10 minutes per game, almost all of it in garbage time. Then later on when Lin exploded in NY Smart had the nerve to take credit and act like he taught Jeremy and that's why he blew up.

Same thing's happening to Fredette. Sure he didn't look that great all the time last season. The dude was a rookie with no training camp, growing pains are to be expected. But recall even when Jimmer would have dominant stretches he'd be benched on DNPed afterwards. He'd play great one game, next game DNP. Has a dominant quarter, benched rest of game, etc. When it comes to Fredette he doesn't reward good play with more minutes but he will come down hard on him for any small mistake. This was what he did with Lin at Golden State.

The Jimmer has poor defense so that's why he doesn't play argument really holds no water. Lots of PGs have bad defense. Kyrie Irving was rated by Synergy as having the worst defense in the NBA. Should he not play? Steve Nash can't defend. Neither can Steve Blake. Derek Fisher was also terrible defender. The list goes on. Yet it didn't stop any of these guys from getting heavy minutes in the NBA. Defense at the PG spot is a plus but it's not crucial. Team defense and help defense is.

I'm honestly shocked that Smart got extended to 2014. I think he's one of the most incompetent coaches in the NBA.
 
If that's the case, he's in for a very frustrating time. Kevin Martin came to the team with a lot of support of the home fans in Ohio, and he pretty much disappeared for the first couple of years. He didn't bow to the fear, however, because he had been fighting for legitimacy and his slot in the NBA for a long time. Jimmer needs to develop some fight and some real hunger for success. I do not doubt that he has some skills but I am becoming more and more convinced that he's just not tough enough for the NBA.

lol i'm sorry but that is really silly. Jimmer's tough as nails and doesn't back down. Jimmer has mercy, but he doesn't back down.
 
I think, at the end of the day, he's just on the wrong team...this team has too many small guards...I'd like to see Jimmer play somewhere like Boston, or LA (lakers)

I'd really like to see him on the Suns, even though we also have an abundance of small (6 ft. - 6-4) guards...I just think he'd flourish in our offense, and probably play well and earn himself a starting role, over Dudley, or at least earn the backup spot behind Dragic. I gotta give it to Telfair, he's really tried hard to get himself back to a high level after a disappointing start to his career, so I have a soft spot for him, but I still think Jimmer could play in front of him if given the chance. Kings just don't have the style of play or roster for Jimmer to succeed in. I see him being on another team by next season...
 
I think, at the end of the day, he's just on the wrong team...this team has too many small guards...I'd like to see Jimmer play somewhere like Boston, or LA (lakers)

I'd really like to see him on the Suns, even though we also have an abundance of small (6 ft. - 6-4) guards...I just think he'd flourish in our offense, and probably play well and earn himself a starting role, over Dudley, or at least earn the backup spot behind Dragic. I gotta give it to Telfair, he's really tried hard to get himself back to a high level after a disappointing start to his career, so I have a soft spot for him, but I still think Jimmer could play in front of him if given the chance. Kings just don't have the style of play or roster for Jimmer to succeed in. I see him being on another team by next season...

I don't see this organization 'getting it' so I agree. Jimmer will succeed and he will flourish, that I have no doubt about.
 
lol i'm sorry but that is really silly. Jimmer's tough as nails and doesn't back down. Jimmer has mercy, but he doesn't back down.

Tough as nails? Sorry, dude, but I just don't see it. What I've seen most is the "deer in the headlights" look.

I LIKE JIMMER. I'm just saying that, for the most part, he hasn't stepped up and claimed a spot for himself. He looked good in the very limited time he had against the Warriors. Perhaps that's the key. Play him in very limited minutes until he builds up some confidence and then increase his minutes. I don't want him to fail. I don't want ANY King to fail. I didn't watch Jimmer in college, though, so what I'm saying is what I have seen from him since he's come to the Kings and quite frankly that's all I care about. College stats and popularity mean absolutely nothing in the NBA.
 
the only real problem with Jimmer being in there before the half was that it made no sense whatsoever. how many teams decide to randomly play a thirdstringer just before half? and then a 3rd string point guard at that? in a close game? after having just lost their first three games? with a team begging for more stable rotations and clearly defined roles on offense? makes. no. sense.

also, what now? Jimmer played well. great. is he now going to get more playing time? if so, then over whom? over Isaiah, who is probably not at his most confident anyway, after having Brooks taking over pretty much all of the crunch time minutes and struggling with his game anyway? over Brooks, who just pretty much saved the Kings their only win this season? over Reke, who, aside from last game, has been playing good basketball, especially defensively. over MT, who...yeah no, not going to happen.

irritating is what it is.

I'm confused! I have no idea why Smart decided to put Jimmer into the game, but I suspect it had something to do with Brooks. He had just had his second conversation with Brooks on the sideline. So he put in Jimmer, and Jimmer did a good job. he scored 5 points in 2 minutes of play, defended Curry very well on one possession, even though Curry made the shot. The point is, Jimmer did a good job. You should be happy about that, not upset. If he had come in and stunk the place out, then I would agree with you, but he didn't. Unless you want him to be a failure.
 
Tough crowd around here. So far this season in very limited minutes I thought Jimmer looked fine. Not a world beater or anything but not getting overwhelmed or anything. Getting his shots and making a good percentage not doing anything to hurt the team. After one lockout shortened rookie season I figured some patience should be in order but it appears that the majority has already decided he doesn't belong. And I didn't want to draft him in the first place.
 
I'm confused! I have no idea why Smart decided to put Jimmer into the game, but I suspect it had something to do with Brooks. He had just had his second conversation with Brooks on the sideline. So he put in Jimmer, and Jimmer did a good job. he scored 5 points in 2 minutes of play, defended Curry very well on one possession, even though Curry made the shot. The point is, Jimmer did a good job. You should be happy about that, not upset. If he had come in and stunk the place out, then I would agree with you, but he didn't. Unless you want him to be a failure.

that mini-rant wasn't about Jimmer at all. yeah, he played fine and obviously I'm happy with that, doesn't change anything about the impossibility of his situation though. even if he continues to play well, getting playing time on this team would have to mean that someone else's game had fallen off massively. as it stands, he is the third guy on either guard spot, with lots of guys ahead of him that are currently better and mostly don't project to be worse and is now being played completely randomly as well. this falls on Smart and Petrie, not Jimmer.
 
that mini-rant wasn't about Jimmer at all. yeah, he played fine and obviously I'm happy with that, doesn't change anything about the impossibility of his situation though. even if he continues to play well, getting playing time on this team would have to mean that someone else's game had fallen off massively. as it stands, he is the third guy on either guard spot, with lots of guys ahead of him that are currently better and mostly don't project to be worse and is now being played completely randomly as well. this falls on Smart and Petrie, not Jimmer.

Someone will get hurt. It is a long season.
 
I think, at the end of the day, he's just on the wrong team...this team has too many small guards.

Pretty much this. If Jimmer does get traded, it will be as filler in a Tyreke or Thornton move, though, which means he'll be shipped out with another 2-guard, so his likelihood of play-time in a new uniform would be shot as well.
 
that mini-rant wasn't about Jimmer at all. yeah, he played fine and obviously I'm happy with that, doesn't change anything about the impossibility of his situation though. even if he continues to play well, getting playing time on this team would have to mean that someone else's game had fallen off massively. as it stands, he is the third guy on either guard spot, with lots of guys ahead of him that are currently better and mostly don't project to be worse and is now being played completely randomly as well. this falls on Smart and Petrie, not Jimmer.

I certainly agree that Jimmer is in a tough spot, and one that he never thought he'd be in. Jimmermania aside, he was a finalist for college player of the year, and he deserved it. I realize that most of you are basing your opinion of Jimmer on his performance with the Kings, and assuming thats the player he is. The problem is, that he was an entirely different player in college. Unfortunately he was actually told to not play defense in college, because they couldn't afford to have him sitting on the bench in foul trouble. There were many games he played all 40 minutes, and I think he averaged around 36/37 minutes a game his senior year.

No, he's not the greatest athlete in the world, but he's just as good an athlete as Beno, Nash, Calderon, and many others, so there's no reason he's not athletic enough to play in the NBA. From his point of view, its a difficult adjustment to go from taking an average of 18 shots a game, to just 5 or 6. His problem is that, he's very similar to Thornton, in that he's a volume shooter, who can miss 5 or 6 shots in a row, and still end up with plus 20 points and 8 out of 16 for the night. The difference is, Thornton gets those 15 or 16 shots a game, and Jimmer only gets 5 or 6, if he's lucky. So if he starts out cold, he has little chance to get into a grove.

I still think he has a chance to be a good player in the league. He'll probably never equal what he did in college, but he's a workaholic, and he'll continue to improve. He may have to get his chance with another team, but Petrie usually doesn't give up on his draft choices easily. Make no mistake about one thing. Jimmer is a good shooter. He averaged over 40% from beyond the 3 pt line his last two years in college. He hasn't shown that yet, but I believe he eventually will. Even though everyone thought he had a terrible year last season, he still was second on the team from beyond the 3pt line.
 
I've been as critical of Jimmer as anyone around here, so I must make sure I give him credit for showing composure, confidence and teamwork in tonight's game. NICE JOB, JIMMER!!!
 
I certainly agree that Jimmer is in a tough spot, and one that he never thought he'd be in. Jimmermania aside, he was a finalist for college player of the year, and he deserved it. I realize that most of you are basing your opinion of Jimmer on his performance with the Kings, and assuming thats the player he is. The problem is, that he was an entirely different player in college. Unfortunately he was actually told to not play defense in college, because they couldn't afford to have him sitting on the bench in foul trouble. There were many games he played all 40 minutes, and I think he averaged around 36/37 minutes a game his senior year.

No, he's not the greatest athlete in the world, but he's just as good an athlete as Beno, Nash, Calderon, and many others, so there's no reason he's not athletic enough to play in the NBA. From his point of view, its a difficult adjustment to go from taking an average of 18 shots a game, to just 5 or 6. His problem is that, he's very similar to Thornton, in that he's a volume shooter, who can miss 5 or 6 shots in a row, and still end up with plus 20 points and 8 out of 16 for the night. The difference is, Thornton gets those 15 or 16 shots a game, and Jimmer only gets 5 or 6, if he's lucky. So if he starts out cold, he has little chance to get into a grove.

I still think he has a chance to be a good player in the league. He'll probably never equal what he did in college, but he's a workaholic, and he'll continue to improve. He may have to get his chance with another team, but Petrie usually doesn't give up on his draft choices easily. Make no mistake about one thing. Jimmer is a good shooter. He averaged over 40% from beyond the 3 pt line his last two years in college. He hasn't shown that yet, but I believe he eventually will. Even though everyone thought he had a terrible year last season, he still was second on the team from beyond the 3pt line.

Excellent post.
 
nice job tonight, but he still shouldnt see the court unless its for like 5 minutes when the team is struggling to score
 
just because i have him on my picture doesnt mean i love him. DMC is actually my favorite player. it was one game, he scored 12 points bro, dont get too ahead of yourself. he's not an all-star, never will be. in fact ill even go so far as to say he will NEVER be a NBA starter
 
just because i have him on my picture doesnt mean i love him. DMC is actually my favorite player. it was one game, he scored 12 points bro, dont get too ahead of yourself. he's not an all-star, never will be. in fact ill even go so far as to say he will NEVER be a NBA starter

They used to say that about Kevin Martin, too...

So let me get it straight. Anyone who dares to criticize Thornton for a lack of assists is a hater but what you're doing is somehow different? Come on. Jimmer did a good job tonight and I really don't understand why you feel the need to rain on the parade. You need to practice what you preach, you know?
 
Jimmer just doesnt have what it takes to get legit NBA minutes. its just not gonna happen. not trying to hate on Jimmer. but he scores 12 points and everyone comes out acting like hes the next All-Star
 
Jimmer just doesnt have what it takes to get legit NBA minutes. its just not gonna happen. not trying to hate on Jimmer. but he scores 12 points and everyone comes out acting like hes the next All-Star

You just don't get it, do you? What I was saying is that FOR THE FIRST TIME Jimmer actually looked like he belonged out there. That's praise-worthy, IMHO. If you don't agree, that's fine. It just looks like you're being terribly hypocritical. I'm done, though. It's clear you and I view things much differently.
 
^but my comments werent directed towards you. i actually agree its good to see Jimmer have a little success. my comments were directed towards Tyreeeeeke, who is constantly in here praising Jimmer as if he is the PG of the future
 
I've been as critical of Jimmer as anyone around here, so I must make sure I give him credit for showing composure, confidence and teamwork in tonight's game. NICE JOB, JIMMER!!!

umm... i give myself that title (as far as being hard on him)... haha... jimmer is adjusting well... he looked solid tonight vs shaky and a mess... nice job jimmer!
 
I'm cheering on all the guys in white/purple to do well everynight and I agree Jimmer had a solid game tonight hopefully it's something he can build on.
 
just because i have him on my picture doesnt mean i love him. DMC is actually my favorite player. it was one game, he scored 12 points bro, dont get too ahead of yourself. he's not an all-star, never will be. in fact ill even go so far as to say he will NEVER be a NBA starter

no one is saying or is expecting Jimmer to be an All Star. He can still be a useful player as a deadly shooter on a team with someone like Tyreke and Cousins who need as much floor spacing as possible. However unlike some of our players, at least Jimmer has high bball iq and knows how to make the logical play, when other will try something illogical.
 
Jimmer just doesnt have what it takes to get legit NBA minutes. its just not gonna happen. not trying to hate on Jimmer. but he scores 12 points and everyone comes out acting like hes the next All-Star

First, your not the be all end all in judging talent, so you could be wrong. I've been wrong about a lot of players, and I watch tons of games. But I've been right more than I've been wrong. One thing I've learned, is to never say never. A player that works hard, will get better, and sometimes exceed the accomplishments of a more gifted player. The worse thing you can do is judge a player in his first year, whether he excells or disappoints. The best of the best play in the NBA, and it takes time for a player to adjust his game. Some never do, but those that put in the work usually end up being good players. Not necessarily stars, but important additions to a team.

People see what they want to see, and if a player happens to interfere with the progress of one of their favorite players, they tend to not like that player. I, like everyone else, have players I like more than others. But I don't allow myself to get married to any one player. I've been doing this for too long, and because I might stick up for a particular player, its not because he's my favorite, although he could be, but because I think someone's observation is incorrect.

In Jimmers case, I saw every game he played in his last two years of college. So I have a pretty good idea of what he's capable of. I can't predict his ceiling, but I can predict that he's going to be a productive player, and yes, its possible that he might even start for a team in the NBA. No guarantee's on that, but as I said, never say never. It took Steve Nash five years in the NBA before he became Steve Nash. Beno was a major disappointment his first three years in the NBA. Not every player is Oscar Robertson, who comes in and just blows everyone else off the court. To some it comes easy, but to others, its a learning experience.

Finally, no one is coming out and acting like Jimmer is an all star. All were doing is acknowledging his good performance tonight. He made two freethrows that had to be made to ice the game. Now you can sneer at that if you want, but it showed composure, and a little bit of icewater in his veins with the game on the line. Just give him credit when its do, or you damage your own credibility.
 
First, your not the be all end all in judging talent, so you could be wrong. I've been wrong about a lot of players, and I watch tons of games. But I've been right more than I've been wrong. One thing I've learned, is to never say never. A player that works hard, will get better, and sometimes exceed the accomplishments of a more gifted player. The worse thing you can do is judge a player in his first year, whether he excells or disappoints. The best of the best play in the NBA, and it takes time for a player to adjust his game. Some never do, but those that put in the work usually end up being good players. Not necessarily stars, but important additions to a team.

People see what they want to see, and if a player happens to interfere with the progress of one of their favorite players, they tend to not like that player. I, like everyone else, have players I like more than others. But I don't allow myself to get married to any one player. I've been doing this for too long, and because I might stick up for a particular player, its not because he's my favorite, although he could be, but because I think someone's observation is incorrect.

In Jimmers case, I saw every game he played in his last two years of college. So I have a pretty good idea of what he's capable of. I can't predict his ceiling, but I can predict that he's going to be a productive player, and yes, its possible that he might even start for a team in the NBA. No guarantee's on that, but as I said, never say never. It took Steve Nash five years in the NBA before he became Steve Nash. Beno was a major disappointment his first three years in the NBA. Not every player is Oscar Robertson, who comes in and just blows everyone else off the court. To some it comes easy, but to others, its a learning experience.

Finally, no one is coming out and acting like Jimmer is an all star. All were doing is acknowledging his good performance tonight. He made two freethrows that had to be made to ice the game. Now you can sneer at that if you want, but it showed composure, and a little bit of icewater in his veins with the game on the line. Just give him credit when its do, or you damage your own credibility.

Ironically, I think that Jimmer's weakness in dribbling and creating his own shot gives the offense more structure, because the team is forced to run some plays and screens to get him free for shots or to allow him to penetrate. To his credit, he's done a very good job offensively in his limited minutes. With all the other guards the team just relies on their ability to break down the defense one on one. I believe Smart referred to it as "creative 1 on 1 players" or something to that effect. I stand by what I was hoping for when we drafted Jimmer - that if he can become Beno with longer range and we create more structure for Evans to make plays we'll have a very good backcourt.
 
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