Jason Terry - buyout or no play? (split)

He is trying to create a team identity. Jimmer lingering doesn't help. Im sure he and the rest of the world, living and dead like jimmer.

He just tied his hands more...it makes it harder for him to make it his team and not having Ownership over your shoulder.
 
IT won't player fewer minutes unless they take him out on a stretcher
 
I'm all for Ray playing. However, I'm not all for the IT/Ray lineup we saw last game. That's just dumb. If we're going to commit to playing him more and developing him, do it while cutting IT's mins and play him next to an actual SG.

What I don't like early on after all this development and increased min talk about Ben and Ray is that we're half-assing the strategy. Traded MT and will start Ben, play him more mins but are doing so thus far in the same system and next to the same PG he does not fit next to at all. There's no role for Ben next to IT. Then we hear Ray will get more mins and much of those last game were next to IT playing off the ball, rather than subbing in for IT.

It's spinning wheels. It's committing to development but at the same time not doing what's necessary to even come close to maximizing that development plan. What makes the most sense to me given Malone's statements, chemistry this season between players and MT's trade is to play Ray/Ben some mins together each night. See if they click at all as IT/Ben have atrocious chemistry. Yet, we haven't seen any of that.

And this doesn't mean I think Ben is ready for this. I don't. But if we're going with this development plan then do everyone a favor and and at least attempt to help these two succeed and put them more in a position of strength to do so. Don't tell me the plan is to develop those two these final 28 games and play them more mins, then turn around and put them in bad situations on the court because you suddenly feel the need to try to win these games, Malone. Those strategies work against each other.

BTW, Malone needing to come out last week and say there is no philosophical difference between he and the FO tells me there is. If he's on board with developing these two an playing them more mins, we'll see changes which we haven't yet seen. Continue playing them as you are and it's pretty f'ing clear Malone is not on board with maximizing the development of these two.
I think the FO and Malone tried darn hard to trade Jimmer but were unable to, leaving the tough choice of playing or not playing him. It's tough either way. Jimmer stands in the way of the team simply doing what you wisely suggest. They can still do it by sitting Jimmer but that's tough in face of most fans' sentiment about Jimmer. Be interesting to see what they do.

I believe if Ben had been playing with any other PG he would be in the same hole he is now in the development process. He doesn't get the ball now because he can't handle the ball to do anything successfully very often. Sad bt true so far.
 
I think the FO and Malone tried darn hard to trade Jimmer but were unable to, leaving the tough choice of playing or not playing him. It's tough either way. Jimmer stands in the way of the team simply doing what you wisely suggest. They can still do it by sitting Jimmer but that's tough in face of most fans' sentiment about Jimmer. Be interesting to see what they do.

I believe if Ben had been playing with any other PG he would be in the same hole he is now in the development process. He doesn't get the ball now because he can't handle the ball to do anything successfully very often. Sad bt true so far.
What did Rainmaker's post have to do with Jimmer? Hopefully we'll see Ben play with other starters without IT more. Then let's see how he does. Twenty-eight games and no need to showcase if that is what was being done just time to establish something team orientated.
 
When the kings were supposedly aggressively shopping Jimmer for a 2nd IMO they were admitting he had no role heading forward, and it doesn't bode well for Jimmer if that rumor we're true and the kings couldn't get a 2nd for him
 
I think the FO and Malone tried darn hard to trade Jimmer but were unable to, leaving the tough choice of playing or not playing him. It's tough either way. Jimmer stands in the way of the team simply doing what you wisely suggest. They can still do it by sitting Jimmer but that's tough in face of most fans' sentiment about Jimmer. Be interesting to see what they do.

I believe if Ben had been playing with any other PG he would be in the same hole he is now in the development process. He doesn't get the ball now because he can't handle the ball to do anything successfully very often. Sad bt true so far.

In the Cowbell Kingdom podcast, James Ham said that Miami offered a 2nd round pick for Jimmer, but PDA turned them down. Don't know how much weight to give that, really.
 
In the Cowbell Kingdom podcast, James Ham said that Miami offered a 2nd round pick for Jimmer, but PDA turned them down. Don't know how much weight to give that, really.
Now that's interesting if true. It was reported that they would take a late 2nd round pick for him. Has their opinion changed? Or do they look at the roster and notice a shortage of serviceable guards? Or both?
 
Maybe PDA doesn't want to deal with Miami? I'm not sure - and could easily be mistaken - but didn't we figure Miami as one of the teams who voted for relocation? Alternatively, perhaps PDA doesn't want to do anything to help Miami.
 
But he did help them with Roger Mason. Something else has to be in the equation if the report from Hamm is true. Don't have a clue other than hopeful guesses.
 
BTW, Malone needing to come out last week and say there is no philosophical difference between he and the FO tells me there is. If he's on board with developing these two an playing them more mins, we'll see changes which we haven't yet seen. Continue playing them as you are and it's pretty f'ing clear Malone is not on board with maximizing the development of these two.

I agree. Why deny something that hasn't been a major issue.
 
I agree. Why deny something that hasn't been a major issue.

Was he responding to a question of whether there were philosophical differences, or did he just raise it unprompted?

And I certainly think there's been discussion of the issue--we've been debating it here for quite some time, and AV asked Vivek about it during the all-star weekend interview.
 
Was he responding to a question of whether there were philosophical differences, or did he just raise it unprompted?

And I certainly think there's been discussion of the issue--we've been debating it here for quite some time, and AV asked Vivek about it during the all-star weekend interview.

I don't know if it was unprompted as I didn't hear it in the first place. I have always had serious questions about whether PDA and Malone were on the same page.
 
Can they use the stretch provision during the year? Would be great if they could stretch it an addition two years (I'm assuming he won't take much less than what he is currently owed because of him being "long in tooth").

why would you use it? Better to take the last year of $5.5 against the cap or whatever it is and get it over with next year instead of making it like $1.5 for 3 years.
 
Jimmer is a swell guy. I like him. But this FO has been kinda clear he's not in the plans. Not the rest of this season, and certainly not going forward. I said something like this yesterday and was assured everyone gets it. Then we get a thread wondering if jimmers minutes are going to go UP. Thus the sigh.

I'm not a big fan of our starting pg, but there's not a chance in hell ray starts. Not without an injury.
 
why would you use it? Better to take the last year of $5.5 against the cap or whatever it is and get it over with next year instead of making it like $1.5 for 3 years.
It would depend if they need the difference to stay under the luxury tax and under the apron. A lot of salary comes off the books after next year, so they may need a little wiggle room next year. Who knows?
 

I understand your derision as I am used to such insightful responses from you. The point is, that if Ray can adequately be a pg and actually play defense, he can start and IT can be put at his more natural position off the bench. We need defense among our starters. I presume you have noticed. Heck, even the mighty duo of Grant and Jerry noticed the defense of Ray last night. I doubt if Ray will be an adequate pg but that's what we are going to find out.

IT is best off the bench and we may take an offensive hit to play Ray as a starter in order to put IT in a position where he is best.

IT will ask for a salary that may very well put us over the LT limit. He's not worth the extra tax on a losing team. We ARE a losing team under the leadership of IT. You know that, right?
 
Jason terry telling PDA he would prefer to rehab would only bother me if he wouldn't have said the same to Daryl morey if he was traded to Houston
 
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