Jarret Jack: Ain't nobody coming to Sac..nobody even knows its in California

[Asaf]

I really have a hard time believing that people here would not give Bosh a max deal if given an opportunity. Because he is not a big-man defensive stopper?

Please. Who was the great big-man defensively for the lakers last year? Who was stopper on the great Bulls teams? Cartwright? For that matter, who was our great in-the-pain stopper for us 7 years ago. Vlade? Furthermore, just because we end-up with Bosh does not mean that you cannot still get a defensive center.

...and take Bogut over Bosh?

Lakers had Kobe, and the Bulls had MJ. With all due respect to Tyreke, I wouldn't put my money on him being as league-dominant as either of these players, certainly not in the early years of his career.

Like Tetsujin mentioned above me, the Bulls had Rodman, who was one of the best defensive players and rebounders in history. And MJ could've even won those rings without him because he was MJ (although even he needed a decent team around him).

The Lakers, well, they had Kobe with pretty much the perfect pieces around him, and even that wouldn't have been enough if they had any competition that combined a great defensive big and a star guard. With all due respect to Hedo, if Dwight had a star level guard on his team, it would've been all over for the Lakers. Alternately, if LeBron had a dominant center in Cleveland last year, he wouldn't have lost the series to Orlando, and most likely would've gone on to crush the Lakers on the way to winning his first ring. It's no coincidence that Cleveland brought Shaq and his $20m contract this year, even if he is WAY past his prime. Big-Z will not win you a ring.

Like I said earlier, the way I see it, Tyreke + Bosh best case scenario = Nash + Amare = solid playoff team that is not a title contender. If someone here believes we can have Tyreke + Bosh + the missing piece that will make us a serious title contender, I am all ears.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Lakers had Kobe, and the Bulls had MJ. With all due respect to Tyreke, I wouldn't put my money on him being as league-dominant as either of these players, certainly not in the early years of his career.

Like Tetsujin mentioned above me, the Bulls had Rodman, who was one of the best defensive players and rebounders in history. And MJ could've even won those rings without him because he was MJ (although even he needed a decent team around him).

The Lakers, well, they had Kobe with pretty much the perfect pieces around him, and even that wouldn't have been enough if they had any competition that combined a great defensive big and a star guard. With all due respect to Hedo, if Dwight had a star level guard on his team, it would've been all over for the Lakers. Alternately, if LeBron had a dominant center in Cleveland last year, he wouldn't have lost the series to Orlando, and most likely would've gone on to crush the Lakers on the way to winning his first ring. It's no coincidence that Cleveland brought Shaq and his $20m contract this year, even if he is WAY past his prime. Big-Z will not win you a ring.

Like I said earlier, the way I see it, Tyreke + Bosh best case scenario = Nash + Amare = solid playoff team that is not a title contender. If someone here believes we can have Tyreke + Bosh + the missing piece that will make us a serious title contender, I am all ears.

While i can certainly see why someone would want to compare the two tandems... I don't think its as easy as A=B. Bosh and Amare are similar but Nash and Evans couldn't be more different. Also the Suns style would be totally different then ours. Thats primarly the reason they can't make it passed the first or second round, their run n' gun style; not because Nash and Amare aren't good enough together. I also think we would have a better lineup of bench players and roleplayers.

 

[kupman]

The Bulls won 3 straight titles before Rodman entered the picture...but I digress.


Are people really going to say no to Bosh because he is not Bill Russell, Shaq etc? Then why did we trade for C-webb? He was no defensive legend. He was however the best player to ever play here and brought us great years. Bosh would do much the same.

If you are waiting around to sign the next Bill Russell and all the while saying "no thank you" to the Bosh's of the league you will be at the bottom of the league for many, many years.

 

[Asaf]

The Bulls won 3 straight titles before Rodman entered the picture...but I digress.


Are people really going to say no to Bosh because he is not Bill Russell, Shaq etc? Then why did we trade for C-webb? He was no defensive legend. He was however the best player to ever play here and brought us great years. Bosh would do much the same.

If you are waiting around to sign the next Bill Russell and all the while saying "no thank you" to the Bosh's of the league you will be at the bottom of the league for many, many years.

No, I am saying that if I have to choose between a big with great offense and weak defense and a big with decent offense and great defense, I would choose the latter in a heartbeat. Great interior defense wins titles, even if you are not the best offensive team in the league. Flashy offense with no defense does not.

 

[DoDiGaG0]

predator may not know where sacramento is, but terminator knows for sure!!

lol

 

[ParniValjak]

What you may not be considering is that its precisely Bosh's inside/outside game that might make him the better fit. Not to mention his skills with the ball and as a passer. Jefferson is the absolute classic back to the basket blackhole post guy, but the problem is that our star player may well be the premiere to the basket guard in the entire game. Translation: you don't want a guy constantly down inside who clogging up that lane for him. You need a guy proficient with the J, but still able to go inside. You particularly need a guy proficient with the baseline J to take dropoff passes if your guard penetrates and is cut off (as opposed to an elbow jumper specialist who would be behind the guard by the time he was cutoff. The deadliest complements to Reke are going to be guys who excel along those baselines, who are still in front of him as he drives. Cisco with his corner three point shooting. Or theoretically, Bosh on the baseline. You would also really like a guy who can run and finish strong at the rim when hit with the pass. Bingo again.

Its why I have said repeatedly he's the guy who can play his full offensive game with the least interference from or to Reke's game. Most players its a tradeoff. You get x, but y has to step back. With Bosh there is very little he does that he could not keep right on doing at the same level, and very little that Reke does that he would have to set aside.

Spot on!

The next best fit after Bosh is Amare. Obviously a step down but still a viable option B. Either Bosh or Amare would be good but your C has to be a defensive role player who will rebound, block shots, play D and stay out of the way offensively.

 

[ParniValjak]

No, I am saying that if I have to choose between a big with great offense and weak defense and a big with decent offense and great defense, I would choose the latter in a heartbeat. Great interior defense wins titles, even if you are not the best offensive team in the league. Flashy offense with no defense does not.

And if I had a choice I would go for the all-star every day of the week and twice on sundays.

You can always find role players to fit around your all-stars but getting the all-star is the hardest thing to do in this league.

If you had Bosh or Amare and Reke as your core, there are some defensive minded centres in the league who are available for trade. Dallas just got Haywood and the likes of Dalembert, Biendris, Camby and Okafor were all available at some stage or other during this season. If you have the 2 stars paired, as a team you are much more inclined to pay a bit more for the right piece to fit next to them and MUCH more likely to attract them in free agency!

 

[Superman]

The Bulls won 3 straight titles before Rodman entered the picture...but I digress.

Horace Grant, MJ and Scottie Pippen made up for not having a premiere shot blocker with their tenacity on defense. You're talking about one of the greatest championship teams of all time with one of the greatest players of all time on it. Just because the Bulls could win rings without a premiere shot blocker doesn't mean the Kings or anyone else can. Having that defensive anchor makes life easier on the entire team.

Now, in times past, I would have downplayed the impact a guy like Bosh could have for us. And by times past, I mean, when I first saw this thread. But reading the comments, looking at his numbers, and thinking about how his game would go with Reke's, I'm pretty confident that, of the big men rumored to be available this summer, he'd be the best fit for us. I've always been skeptical that our cap space could land us a big free agent, but if it gives us the flexibility to work a trade for a nice big, then that's another angle that we have to consider, and it makes a guy like Al Jefferson a possibility. Or even Stoudemire, with a sign and trade, although I don't think too many people are high on him anymore.

Anyways, I'd like to have Chris Bosh. Just don't know how viable that option is, especially in light of recent comments from his large-headed teammate.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Hey Jarrett, on behalf of the entire city of Sacramento(and yes, we will remember this when you come back)you can kiss our...

 

[Spike]

Mule?

 

[Arkitect]

All this talk of stud big men make me think of the potential of a pre-injury Webber with Tyreke. . That would have been fun to watch.

 

[Bricklayer]

Eohippus

 

[bajaden]

I'm going to respectfully disagree with that second paragraph, and not just because I don't like David Lee's game, and think that he only puts up those numbers because of the garbage smallball system that he plays in (see Curry, Stephen). I think that the Olympics proved that Bosh is quite a capable defender indeed and, if anything, showed that, like most star/superstar players, he slacks off on defense because he's expected to play such a big role in the offense. Now, obviously, they don't all do it: Bryant is still a top-notch defender, as is James, and they are both the focal point of their respective offenses. But, you've seen how, with players like Anthony, Bosh and Wade (and Pierce, as well, though not in the Olympics, per se), how capable they are at defending when they don't have the burden of carrying a team.

I think that Bosh is significantly a better defender than Lee, and a better overall player. Still don't think he's worth a max deal, though.

We can argue the merits of how each player gets his points and the system he plays within. But the bottom line is that Lee gets his points and his rebounds. To say that its because he plays on a bad team just doesn't hold water with me. He's not playing against his own team. He's playing against the other team. Now believe me I'm not comparing Lee to Bosh as players. Thats like apples and oranges. There are intangibles that certain players bring to the table that don't show up on the stat sheet. I would love to have Bosh on the team. I simply don't think he's worth a max salary.

Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Nash, etc are max salary guys. Because when things start to fall apart they find a way to come to the rescue and save the day. I've watched Bosh play quite a bit and he just doesn't do that. I agree with Rainmaker that there are times when he just disappears. I'm not trying to bash him. I think he's a very good player. But Kobe he's not. And thats the standard for a max salary as far as I'm concerned. Just my opinion folks. No need to try and convince me because I've got nothing to say about.