Is Tyreke better or worse since his rookie year?

Fear the Putin said:
Here's a bit of Smart on Isaiah's breakout play. Speaks volume on what he thinks of Tyreke as a PG.



http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...cords_Career_Highs_In_Points_Assists_Rebounds
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That's fine. I can't say I disagree with it.

However,it doesn't mean Smart has to move Reke to sf which he isn't, hurt our defense and rebounding, and kill any firepower off the bench in the process.

I don't think anyone here is against IT starting. It's the surrounding areas Smart has screwed up and hurts the teams overall chances with. But, let's see if he recognizes it.
 
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Conditioning!

This has been brought up before, but I dont know if anyone has posted the stats:

Check out Reke's #s (rounded) depending on how much rest he has had:

0 days rest (9 games): 15/4/4 on 37%
1 days rest (17 games): 15/5/5 on 39%
2 days rest (4 games): 27/7/8 on 52% ...Small sample size, but a huge jump in production. Reke beasts when rested.

Link: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4564/splits;_ylt=Ajl1mz9RUnqmM3fyJokst_CkvLYF


So maybe, even more than improving BBIQ or getting a jumpshot, Reke just needs to work on conditioning. He has come into camp a bit heavy the last couple seasons, and this shortened year isnt helping him any.
 
gunks said:
This has been brought up before, but I dont know if anyone has posted the stats:

Check out Reke's #s (rounded) depending on how much rest he has had:

0 days rest (9 games): 15/4/4 on 37%
1 days rest (17 games): 15/5/5 on 39%
2 days rest (4 games): 27/7/8 on 52% ...Small sample size, but a huge jump in production. Reke beasts when rested.

Link: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4564/splits;_ylt=Ajl1mz9RUnqmM3fyJokst_CkvLYF


So maybe, even more than improving BBIQ or getting a jumpshot, Reke just needs to work on conditioning. He has come into camp a bit heavy the last couple seasons, and this shortened year isnt helping him any.
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Hopefully there isn't a lockout next season.
 
He's about the same. You knew what you got.. Well I did, but it took others longer to realize it.

As for the team as a whole I think even though they lost the 3 games IT has started the offense looks a lot better as a whole.
 
Dime Dropper said:
Yep, Westbrook is just terrible now, as are the Thunder. We should trade him, blah blah blah
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Last I checked the Thunder weren't a team that wins only 30% of their games. Maybe Westbrook's first year they won 30-40% but they had something that has escaped the Kings... Improvement! Durant's first year he couldn't hit the side of a barn with his shot. If I remember right his first whole month in the NBA was one big joke because he was in the high 20%s low 30%s on his FGs. This team hasn't improved at all with Evans at the point, and that's why he's a SF now with a rookie Second Rounder playing PG.

Notice how much better the offense runs with a rookie second round guard instead of Evans?
24-12 ----- 21-12 ------24-15 (I think tonight was 24-15) assists to TOs since IT starts..

With Evans we averaged more turnovers than assists as a team.. Which hasn't been done in the NBA for decades.
 
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Gary said:
With Evans we averaged more turnovers than assists as a team.. Which hasn't been done in the NBA for decades.
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That is not correct.
'09-'10: 1679 AST, 1226 TO
'10-'11: 1675 AST, 1324 TO
'11-'12: 528 AST, 474 TO
 
Yah I hadn't kept up with the stats but I know earlier in the year we had more assists than TOs. Hang on I will have to look now how far in we went into the season averaging more TOs than assists.

You're right. It was in mid January I believe (with some quick 'in my head' math) before we turned the corner and started averaging more assists than TOs. We have actually gone up about 3 assists a game since then. Not bad. I think Smart is preaching passing the ball..

But never the less, the offense looks 10x better with IT running it. It looks like an NBA team out there rather than five 1 on 1 players.

We are giving up more points but it's because we are bringing the ball up much much faster with IT than with Evans and it equates to more possessions so obviously our defense isn't the greatest so we will be giving up more points.
 
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Gary said:
Yah I hadn't kept up with the stats but I know earlier in the year we had more assists than TOs. Hang on I will have to look now how far in we went into the season averaging more TOs than assists.

You're right. It was in mid January I believe (with some quick 'in my head' math) before we turned the corner and started averaging more assists than TOs. We have actually gone up about 3 assists a game since then. Not bad. I think Smart is preaching passing the ball..

But never the less, the offense looks 10x better with IT running it. It looks like an NBA team out there rather than five 1 on 1 players.

We are giving up more points but it's because we are bringing the ball up much much faster with IT than with Evans and it equates to more possessions so obviously our defense isn't the greatest so we will be giving up more points.
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So shouldn't we slow the tempo to help our defense? Or maybe, pound the other team with a larger lineup?
Hey, I'm glad Thomas is doing well, but it has yet to translate to wins. I still think this move is not a long-term solution, and I feel we're giving away a good advantage playing small ball. All it has so far shown is that Thomas is deserving of consistent minutes.
 
Spike said:
So shouldn't we slow the tempo to help our defense? Or maybe, pound the other team with a larger lineup?
Hey, I'm glad Thomas is doing well, but it has yet to translate to wins. I still think this move is not a long-term solution, and I feel we're giving away a good advantage playing small ball. All it has so far shown is that Thomas is deserving of consistent minutes.
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We tried that didn't we? That's what made us dead last in assists and assists to turnovers. The only reason why we weren't last in the league in turnovers was because we would just stand there with the ball for 20 seconds. IT has 3 starts and all three games were VERY winnable with maybe the exception being tonight although I thought we played pretty well.

As many of the "Evans at PG" fans I will have to say this to them.. Give it more than 3 games before you want Evans back at PG.

And I will also say.................. Evans is not a PG! :D
 
Spike said:
So shouldn't we slow the tempo to help our defense? Or maybe, pound the other team with a larger lineup?
Hey, I'm glad Thomas is doing well, but it has yet to translate to wins. I still think this move is not a long-term solution, and I feel we're giving away a good advantage playing small ball. All it has so far shown is that Thomas is deserving of consistent minutes.
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No, we should just play some freaking defense. What is mind-boggling is that with the small lineup we're letting people run by us. They've got to get it together on switches and rotations. It's all about effort and BB IQ to get this defense better. And time.
 
... and SOLID NBA coaching to get these guys to understand a defensive system.

I do not believe that Smart has a defensive system, and I have zero confidence of him or his assistant coaches to teach defensive concepts at the NBA level.

It's not just Smart, here - the assistant coaches have been with this team for YEARS and the players still can't defend their man or NBA plays (screens, pick-and-rolls, etc).

If KF's want DEFENSE, they cannot expect THIS coaching squad to teach it to the Kings.
 
IfAt1st said:
... and SOLID NBA coaching to get these guys to understand a defensive system.

I do not believe that Smart has a defensive system, and I have zero confidence of him or his assistant coaches to teach defensive concepts at the NBA level.

It's not just Smart, here - the assistant coaches have been with this team for YEARS and the players still can't defend their man or NBA plays (screens, pick-and-rolls, etc).

If KF's want DEFENSE, they cannot expect THIS coaching squad to teach it to the Kings.
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Name one who has.
 
upinsmoke said:
This is what we should reply to you anytime you post ANYTHING then. What makes his opinion less valid then yours or anyone else's for that matter.
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If I was talking about whether or not I had confidence in a player in a certain situation then sure. It is pretty presumptious of one to think that them having confidence in a player on the court in a certain situation should matter in the grand scheme of things. Arrogant even.
 
Kingsguy881 said:
Name one who has.
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Eyen????? 2 1/2 years! There was almost a complete changeover of the coaching staff prior to the beginning of this season. I'd love to know why that occurred as it smacks of problems within the coaching organization.
 
Glenn said:
Eyen????? 2 1/2 years! There was almost a complete changeover of the coaching staff prior to the beginning of this season. I'd love to know why that occurred as it smacks of problems within the coaching organization.
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I was not aware he was still on the staff??
 
Glenn said:
Eyen????? 2 1/2 years! There was almost a complete changeover of the coaching staff prior to the beginning of this season. I'd love to know why that occurred as it smacks of problems within the coaching organization.
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Yup, you got me, I thought he was gone with Westfail. Ok, name another!
 
Glenn said:
Eyen????? 2 1/2 years! There was almost a complete changeover of the coaching staff prior to the beginning of this season. I'd love to know why that occurred as it smacks of problems within the coaching organization.
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Would you want your career tied to Westfail?
 
Eyen and Jackson have been with the Kings for years:
"Jackson, who played 12 NBA seasons, becomes an assistant after two years as the Kings' basketball operations special assistant working in scouting, player evaluations and NBA draft preparation."
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Now stop nitpicking, and if you're going to reply, reply about the points brought up:

For years, the Kings coaching squad (past and present) has proven completely incapable of installing a defensive system that can compete against NBA teams nowadays. And the players shouldn't need some magical coach to tell them how to defend against screens and pick-and-rolls - that's their JOB they get paid millions of dollars to know.

92 points in the paint.

And shockingly, it's the guards and forward that have been causing the defense to crumble, not the big men for the most part.
This is with Tyreke and Salmons, two of the supposedly better defenders at their positions.

How long will the excuses continue for the Kings defense?
The players aren't hurt, and they've had plenty of time to show signs of a competitive defense if they were capable of executing one.
The season is over 2 months old now, and have they shown ANY evidence yet?
I've seen entire teams of inexperienced youths (for comparison, under Sloan) learn lock-down stifling, bruising defense within months.

How long do we fans expect to have to wait for some signs of life on the defensive side?
Do we wait until halfway through next season to conclude that this coaching squad can't coax defense out of their players?
How bout the end of next season (or earlier), when they have to make long-term decisions about Tyreke and DMC?

They CAN'T WIN giving up over 100 points a game, much less over 110 or 120.
They need to find out what is causing their defense to suck so badly, and fix it by coaching, or by getting players that can defend.
And SOON.
 
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IfAt1st said:
Eyen and Jackson have been with the Kings for years:

Now stop nitpicking, and if you're going to reply, reply about the points brought up:

For years, the Kings coaching squad (past and present) has proven completely incapable of installing a defensive system that can compete against NBA teams nowadays. And the players shouldn't need some magical coach to tell them how to defend against screens and pick-and-rolls - that's their JOB they get paid millions of dollars to know.

92 points in the paint.

And shockingly, it's the guards and forward that have been causing the defense to crumble, not the big men for the most part.
This is with Tyreke and Salmons, two of the supposedly better defenders at their positions.

How long will the excuses continue for the Kings defense?
The players aren't hurt, and they've had plenty of time to show signs of a competitive defense if they were capable of executing one.
The season is over 2 months old now, and have they shown ANY evidence yet?
I've seen entire teams of inexperienced youths (for comparison, under Sloan) learn lock-down stifling, bruising defense within months.

How long do we fans expect to have to wait for some signs of life on the defensive side?
Do we wait until halfway through next season to conclude that this coaching squad can't coax defense out of their players?
How bout the end of next season (or earlier), when they have to make long-term decisions about Tyreke and DMC?

They CAN'T WIN giving up over 100 points a game, much less over 110 or 120.
They need to find out what is causing their defense to suck so badly, and fix it by coaching, or by getting players that can defend.
And SOON.
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Dude, your takes are always so far off base its surprising you don't get called out for it more. So you are admitting you are wrong with the above post, stating that BJax was not involved in teaching anything to the players until this season. Smart was brought on this season and given the reigns 7 games into the season. Since that time, we have seen marked improvement in the offense, don't talk about defense right now because before he took over we were routinely getting blown out and falling behind early on. Seeing as Smart has fixed that, with NO training camp and being brand new to the staff, you are flipping out in left field like Kerri Strug, on one leg, shakily.
 
No, I'm stating that my above post, that you quoted with bold emphasis and replied to, was correct.

Go back and read it to make sure you're not "off-base" (as you call it).

You still haven't replied to the player's responsibility to know NBA defense.
But please - continue digressing, nitpicking, and personally attacking.

I get that that's your "thing", so by all means - continue.
 
IfAt1st said:
Eyen and Jackson have been with the Kings for years:

"Jackson, who played 12 NBA seasons, becomes an assistant after two years as the Kings' basketball operations special assistant working in scouting, player evaluations and NBA draft preparation."
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Now stop nitpicking, and if you're going to reply, reply about the points brought up:
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BJ is in his first year as a coach. He had limited time working with the players the past 2 years.
 
IfAt1st said:
No, I'm stating that my above post, that you quoted with bold emphasis and replied to, was correct.

Go back and read it to make sure you're not "off-base" (as you call it).

You still haven't replied to the player's responsibility to know NBA defense.
But please - continue digressing, nitpicking, and personally attacking.

I get that that's your "thing", so by all means - continue.
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Knock it off...now.

EDIT: A couple of posts not germane to the topic at hand have been deleted. Keep it about the topic, please. The sniping at each other is gonna stop. Period.
 
IfAt1st said:
No, I'm stating that my above post, that you quoted with bold emphasis and replied to, was correct.

Go back and read it to make sure you're not "off-base" (as you call it).

You still haven't replied to the player's responsibility to know NBA defense.
But please - continue digressing, nitpicking, and personally attacking.

I get that that's your "thing", so by all means - continue.
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My thing? Lol. No man. You just haven't given the coaching staff a chance and you're all up in arms over nothing, tbh. Don't discount the ONE MONTH a training staff has before a season starts to teach the players a system. Flying off the handle over a coach having to pick up barf with sawdust and a hand shovel over a short time period is pretty dubious. So step back from the ledge, my man!
 
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