Is Tom Cruise nuts?

funkykingston

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I generally don't keep up with celebrity affairs, but on CNN I did see a recap of Cruise's interview on the Today show (?) where he ranted about psychiatry. Then a friend emailed me a video clip of his appearance on the Oprah show.

Having done some research on Scientology years ago, I knew they promoted some wacky stuff, but I would think the higher ups couldn't be happy with Cruise's public behavior of late.

Of course, given Scientology's tendency towards litigation and harassment, maybe I'd be better off keeping my opinions to myself.;)
 
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I do think he is nuts at this point. There is an excellent article on Tom, scientology, and the celebrity influence on sacbee.com. You do have to be registered (free) though to access it. I just read an article on Katie Holmes, and during the interview, Katie had a scientology church member at her side the whole time. And at her side all other times as well! Apparently, since Katie is a new scientology member, this woman just follows her around all the time everywhere as some sort of an advisor. Yikes....
 
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Maybe it's all a big joke, Scientology is a parody of organized religion anyway, maybe he's trying to make a point...

... Then again, maybe he's just nutso
 
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thesanityannex

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The Scientology religion was made up by a Science Fiction book author. I think that says enough. And yes, TOM CRUISE HAS LOST HIS MIND. I hope everyone got to see him when the interviewer squirted him in the face! He went through about six emotions in five seconds. I love watching him to see what crazy stuff he'll say next. Like: "there is no such thing as a chemical imbalance, I've studied psychiatry."
 

funkykingston

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Maybe it's all a big joke, Scientology is a parody of organized religion anyway
There are certain aspects of Scientology that I can't help but laugh at, but the organization itself is frightening in its scope and its aims.

The Time article from the early nineties shed some light on its practices: private investigators, excessive litigation with billions behind it, psychological warfare (for lack of a better term) and hardcore pressure recruiting.

It was reported/speculated in the same article that John Travolta was so loyal to the "faith" because they had knowledge of his sexual behaviors that he didn't want made public. I suppose that kind of fear is the only rationale behind agreeing to be in a movie like Battlefield Earth. It was written by L. Ron Hubbard after all.

Here's a link to that Time Article. Scary stuff. The Church of Scientology sued for defamation on the order of $400 or $500 million dollars, a lawsuit that was finally and completely dismissed a couple years ago.
 
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thesanityannex

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i've heard the initiation cost is somewhere around 100,000 to 200,000 thousand dollars. no wonder these crazy hollywood fools are all apart of it. I guess scientology is like the rolex of religions. gotta have the most expensive religion to go along with your private jet, right travolta?
 

funkykingston

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I think a big part of it is that Scientology rolls out the red carpet for celebrities. They pamper them and cater to their every need. Celebrities are their best chance of getting interest from the general public, in addition to those stars having deep pockets themselves.
 

Bricklayer

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He's been with Scioentology for a decade at least thogh. This recent burst of bizareness is just weird. I dunno, ocuple it with a slightly creepy relationship with a girl who claims she grew up wanting to marry him (ok, I might not sya no either ;) ), and maybe a mid-life crisis?
 
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thesanityannex said:
i've heard the initiation cost is somewhere around 100,000 to 200,000 thousand dollars. no wonder these crazy hollywood fools are all apart of it. I guess scientology is like the rolex of religions. gotta have the most expensive religion to go along with your private jet, right travolta?
The cost isn't really for initiation, it's apparently a series of "suggested donations" to progress through the levels of the religion. At each higher level you learn a little more about the religion and what they believe.

Kind of like a video game where you have to get so many points to get to the next level, and some more of the story is revealed. You learn that aliens invaded the earth millions of years ago, and their spirits still haunt us today, and we need to purge them from our bodies.

At least that's my understanding.
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Bricklayer

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Having read L. Ron's oh so enlightening treatise just for kicks on a red eye cross country flight a few years back, here's the deal as I recall it:


Ok, we all have these "engrams" you see? And these engrams are nasty beasties, and are responsible for all unhappiness and limitations to the human existence. Eating disorder? Engram. Depressed? Engram. Just stupid? Well why else would you be taking this seriously? So engram.

Now these engrams are nasty little buggers that get imprinted on you at all points of life (the pseudo-science portion -- i.e. you burn your hand on the stove, and that leaves an impression or engram). But see, they are REAL nasty, because not only do you pick them up in life, heck you even pick them up in the womb and are born all engrammed up. And you think that sucks? Well get this -- you ALSO have engrams left over from past lives that you just haven't been able to kick. You're just a big ole body full of lovely engrams. And these nasty little things alter your perceptioons, cause fear and doubt, and prevent you from finding truth, peace and enlightenement. And of course the key to all happiness is to doante large sums of money to the Church so they will tell you how to erase your engrams and let you a achieve true engram free happiness.

My favorite part -- one of the better religion defense mechanisms -- if you deny scientology, deny that you are riddled with engrams, its a sign that...guess what? You HAVE an engram that is preventing you from admitting you have engrams! Beautiful stuff. The denial of scientology proves scientology is true. L. Ron must have been proud of that one.

Ok, and that's the normal stuff. Because you see, later on the "religion" progressed onto the wonderful point where it was revealed to the true beleivers that the engram problem itself was some sort of facade to cover up the existence of "BodyThetans", which are some sort of invisible brainless alien race that cohabits with us in our bodies and causes all of the engram problems. And if you, you guessed it, pay the church even MORE money they'll teach you how to un-BodyThetan yourself, and thus presumably unengram yourself, until of course you see the bill for all this bull****, become depressed,a nd therefore have obviously become re-BodyThetaned and re-Engramed and in need of another round of donations to the Church to help you cleanse yourself. :rolleyes:


In case anybody is interested, I will soon be forming my own religion centered arouond the existence of tiny telepathic mites from a heretofore undiscovered moon above Venus who infest our private parts and prevent each of us from obtaining unfettered bliss by urinating on our chakras and thus spoiling the purity of our psychic energy flows. Anybody who would like to know how this works, and how to free yourself from the little pissants can merely wire me $79.95. A month. :p
 
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funkykingston

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centered arouond the existence of tiny telepathic mites from a heretofore undiscovered moon above Venus who infest our private parts
I think they have a cream for that.


I've never had the inclination to read Hubbard's actual material (Was it Dianetics that you read?) but from my research I'm sad to say that your description of Scientology is spot on. I'm half tempted to drift over to that Scientology bookstore or whatever it is near my house (in downtown Sac) just to see what kind of a sales pitch they use. I just can't see how they can sucker people into this stuff. I know they start with personal enlightenment stuff and save the really bizarre stuff for later but still . . .
 

Bricklayer

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funkykingston said:
I think they have a cream for that.
Goshdarnit! Don't be giving my secret cures away until AFTER the gullibles pay up! This is a damn religion I am starting up, not a charity!:p


And yes, it was Dianetics. I felt soiled and kept the cover concealed the whole flight in case the guy next to me should wake up and see what I was perusing. But the price you pay -- I just think its hard to do a really good mocking of something until you truly understand it in all its sordid details. :)
 
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Bricklayer said:
In case anybody is interested, I will soon be forming my own religion centered arouond the existence of tiny telepathic mites from a heretofore undiscovered moon above Venus who infest our private parts and prevent each of us from obtaining unfettered bliss by urinating on our chakras and thus spoiling the purity of our psychic energy flows. Anybody who would like to know how this works, and how to free yourself from the little pissants can merely wire me $79.95. A month. :p
Brick..you dont make it easy..It's taken me three hours to get my spyware to provide me with your Paypal details...still..i've set up the standing order. Just DONT tell me you wont ship inernationally !! lol
 
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Cruise is a few quarters shy of a dollar,, bonkers, bananas, off to the loony bin, In La LA Land, Off the deep end, and from another galaxy to put it mildly.


The Today interview was something to watch. Dr Cruise showed his knowledge of psychiatry while coming across as so humble and not a bit of an ego.
 
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funkykingston said:
There are certain aspects of Scientology that I can't help but laugh at, but the organization itself is frightening in its scope and its aims.

The Time article from the early nineties shed some light on its practices: private investigators, excessive litigation with billions behind it, psychological warfare (for lack of a better term) and hardcore pressure recruiting.


Here's a link to that Time Article.

Thanks for giving a link to that Times article. Been a while since I read it.
 
#24
Tom Cruise has lost his damn mind...ever since him and Katie hooked up...he's been a big weirdo...

This ongoing public sparring he's been having with Brooke Shields is a joke...if I were Brooke I'd make it a point to meet up with him just so I could slap him in his face...I certainly do not blame Brooke for speaking her mind but Tom is getting ultra annoying and quite honestly I know for a fact that he's losing people's respect and losing fans...I just wouldn't expect all of this from him...its absolutely mind boggling to me
 

funkykingston

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The ironic thing about Cruise chastising Shields for using antidepressants is that he pointed out her lackluster career as proof that it wasn't the right approach.

Kirstie Alley is a scientologist and I don't see her cranking out blockbuster films.
 
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slugking50 said:
The Today interview was something to watch. Dr Cruise showed his knowledge of psychiatry while coming across as so humble and not a bit of an ego.
He also let it be known, for once and for all, that Matt Lauer is "glib." Being the charmer that he is, however, Tommy didn't let stop him from being weirdly overly familiar and calling Matt by his first name. Repeatedly.
 
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funkykingston said:
Kirstie Alley is a scientologist and I don't see her cranking out blockbuster films.
No.

But she does have the demeaning and, even worse, unfunny "Fat Actress."

Furthermore, let us not forget that she has progessed from mildly annoying Pier One commercials to one of the most annoying ad campaigns ever with Jenny Craig.

And people think she peaked with "Cheers," p'shaw!
 
#29
Over the years, I've lost respect for the man ... there are a lot of celebrities I've dis-connected myself with and there are STILL many-many good celebrities out there that are sensible and practicing human beings.
 
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funkykingston said:
The Time article from the early nineties shed some light on its practices: private investigators, excessive litigation with billions behind it, psychological warfare (for lack of a better term) and hardcore pressure recruiting.
The other big expose at that time was a series of articles in the L.A. Times that can be read here: http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/latimes/latimes.htm


http://www.xenu.net is an extemely exhaustive look behind it (as I type this, the site is currently down). You can read excerpts from teachings from some of the higher levels and save yourself hundreds of thousands of dollars in the process! How would you feel to plonk down tens of thousands of dollars at the outset only to find out later about the whole Xenu/thetan sci-fi story? Egg, meet face.

I actually wouldn't have nearly as big an issue with Scientology if it was strictly considered as a form of psychotherapy (a term that Scientologists would cry foul of, but I use it for lack of a better term). It's the tax-free nature of calling it a religion that got on my nerves. Who or what exactly do you worship? If it's the principles and doctrines that are worshipped, then why not call something like yoga a religion? Or how about cooking Italian food? I'm in heaven when I make homemade calzones. And L. Ron was a convicted tax cheat. It doesn't take much to consider the ulterior motives of having Scientology named a religion on his behalf.

I've only known one Scientologist. He was born into it, and he wasn't that bad of a guy. Pretty level-headed and not terribly kooky. And although he had no inclination as to my own religious beliefs, he never forced his beliefs down my throat. So although it may work as a form of enlightenment to some, it's all the BS that accompanies it that makes me do a double take whenever I read more behind-the-scenes material about it.