Is the Princeton Offense Dead?

[Rowdyone]

Caught a bit of a RA interview wherein he alluded to having low post scorers in Bonzi and Ron now and adjusting the offense to their games. I, for one would be sad to no longer see the backdoor cuts for easy layups and throwdowns. Perhaps RA will design a hybrid that allows for both. Just wouldn't be Kings basketball without some of Coachie's input and may push him towards the Celtics.

 

[Wuster]

PO isn't dead, but in case of the Kings RA needs to adapt to the strenght of his players - not have his players adapt to the strength of the PO.

 

[playmaker0017]

Interesting that Adleman fella.

He said the same thing about Reef and Bonzi ... and never acted on it.

 

[Wuster]

Good point.. I expect his hand will be forced now that Artest is here and Peja @ Indy. We'll see

 

[ForlornKing]

I like the backdoor cuts, but I want to see more attacking the rim!

 

[PixelPusher]

It's not the addition of low-post scorers that endanger the Princeton Offense as much as the subtraction of great front court passers (Divac and Webber) that make it more difficult. Miller is pretty good passer in his own right, so it won't go away completely, but it won't be like the old days either.

 

[playmaker0017]

It's not the addition of low-post scorers that endanger the Princeton Offense as much as the subtraction of great front court passers (Divac and Webber) that make it more difficult. Miller is pretty good passer in his own right, so it won't go away completely, but it won't be like the old days either.

Word!

We can be a motion team, but I think we'll be a lot more traditional than Sacramento is used to.

 

[bozzwell]

I don't know, but I wouldn't assume that because Artest is here there will be no more PO. If anything, Artest is _better_ passer then Pedja and could fit very well in some variation of PO.

 

[Padrino]

It's not the addition of low-post scorers that endanger the Princeton Offense as much as the subtraction of great front court passers (Divac and Webber) that make it more difficult. Miller is pretty good passer in his own right, so it won't go away completely, but it won't be like the old days either.

well, the princeton offense isn't necessarily designed to have "great" passing big men, because in all honesty, how many have their been besides webb and divac? and i mean great passing big men. not a whole lot. the princeton offense is designed, however, to accomodate less assertive post players by playing them on the high post, where they can bring their men out of their defensive comfort zone. miller doesn't create a whole lot of mismatches for his low post play, but do you see how often he's wide open from 15-18? that's because big men don't like to play out that high. makes it more difficult to rebound the ball when you're forced to guard a guy who's standing 20 feet away from the basket.

one of the staples of the princeton offense is to create mismatches out of the strengths of players who do not necessarily have the skillset for their own position. that said, we will only see a slight shift in the use of the princeton with the addition of artest. if we get a big bangin' PF, then we might start to see less and less of it.

 

[BawLa]

Interesting that Adleman fella.

He said the same thing about Reef and Bonzi ... and never acted on it.

Thats because we had Peja. Do we really need to make a martyr out of RA for the way the beginning of this year transpired? Lets focus on the now and not the past. Now we have to partially abandon the PO. I think we should have a hybid style that uses the PO at certain moments when the defense isn't ready for it. It might take a little while for everyone to be on the same page, but it could be a deadly style of offense.

We have all of these assistant coaches. It is time for them to earn their pay.

 

[King4Life]

The Kings are definitely going to have to go in another direction when it comes to the style of play. Webber and Divac were huge for the success of the Princeton Offense, but so was Doug Christie. He was a great defensive player and he could pass the ball well. Artest and Bonzi take the role of the defensive stoppers and are better individual players, but they don't have Christie's passing skills which helped the Kings offense in the glory days. His ability to play the PG position and help make plays for the others was underrated.

Before we had great passers in Divac, Webber, Christie, and Bibby. We had Peja who benefitted from the passing with his quick lay-ups and outside shooting. Now we only have Bibby and Miller. With the Kings offense not being what it was due to the loss of Divac, Webber, and Christie, Bibby needs to become a better passer. Our offense and defensive is gonna need to be revamped. We just don't have the same personnel to use the Princeton Offense and bring to the level it used to be.

 

[DocHolliday]

Let's not forget that Artest is a pretty good passer in his own right.

 

[ForlornKing]

What did Adelman use in Portland?

 

[Bricklayer]

What did Adelman use in Portland?

Well that is the thing with the Princeton -- it is NOT Rick's offense. It is Coachie's. Rick always ran uptempo high scoring offenses, but never anything close to the Princeton in Portland. Much more traditional with Porter and Drexler doing most of the creating. The offense did not run through Buck and Duck (although Duckworth did have a better faceup game than postup game despite his bulk).

Might be a bit awkward with Coachie still sitting there as an assistant coach, but in theory Rick has run other offenses and should be able to tinker here without violating any First Principles or anything.

 

[KevinMartin'sShotDoctor]

Yes. Peja hasn't been called "the best moving without the ball" for awhile. Before he was traded, he ran around like the kids in the movie GARDEN STATE when the guy shot the arrow into the air.

Now Peja is gone. The Princeton offense has a lot of strengths, but we have a lot of post-up players who need their time and space.

Also, if you run the Princeton offense, Patrick Ewing can foul Kit Mueller, and no one will call anything.

 

[slugking50]

Last year Elston Turner mentioned on the pregame show that technically we dont use the Princeton Offense. The Offense is an offshoot from it designed by RA with help from Coachie.

 

[SacTownKid]

A lot of team's use Princeton basics too.

 

[VF21]

Coachie has always maintained the four main principles of the Princeton Offense are passing, cutting, thinking, trusting. I hope that part isn't dead...although it's certainly been on life support recently.