Is tanking "cheating"? Poll added
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As important, the NFL has a hard cap that doesn’t allow you to keep your players like the NBA does.. nor does it allow teams in large markets to have payrolls that far exceed small market teams.
Put in place a hard cap and make all players free agents after 5 years and you would have much less reason to tank.
Put in place a hard cap and make all players free agents after 5 years and you would have much less reason to tank.
Who arguing.
At the point he used Brad Miller as an example of a franchise player I stopped bothering to reply. Brad is a perfect example of why my friend in an NBA front office said if you are looking for a metric of a player who might lead a team to a championship use 3 time all-star.
Your point is essentially the same. We had two top 3 picks on that team: Chris and Bibby. We haven’t had one since.
At the point he used Brad Miller as an example of a franchise player I stopped bothering to reply. Brad is a perfect example of why my friend in an NBA front office said if you are looking for a metric of a player who might lead a team to a championship use 3 time all-star.
Your point is essentially the same. We had two top 3 picks on that team: Chris and Bibby. We haven’t had one since.
This poll is why I objected to the original thread and characterization in the first place.
30% of our posters think one side condones cheating and 45% think the other side is hopelessly naive. Sounds a lot like our current political environment doesn’t it.
30% of our posters think one side condones cheating and 45% think the other side is hopelessly naive. Sounds a lot like our current political environment doesn’t it.
In addition, if you add the responses that think tanking has a negative impact on the fans/team, you get 10. Those that think tanking helps total 9. Lots of different ways this can and will be interpreted. I think the most telling number, however, is the total responses. Some fans have quit interacting and I hope that doesn't last too much longer.
The poll is great but really you can argue the interpretation.
3 of the responses for me are basically supporting tanking - options 1,2 and 4.
Option one doesn't feel like its cheating, the issue is fan interest - fan interest would be high if we were a lock for a top 3 pick with the young core we have if you ask me. Interest in this season has dissipated recently due to the fact that we seem to be setting ourselves up for a lower draft pick, playing vets and winning games, when for much of the season we were looking at a high pick in a draft where there are very good projected players. You can argue that people are not interacting, and attendance on Kings fans is at an all time low because we are biting our nose off to spite our face here by winning pointless games. Its been a long season, there really isnt any more development to be done, just a finish to the season, exit meeting and summer workout schedules to be set.
Option two supports tanking noting its the world we live in
Option four supports tanking noting that it is cheating but again it is the world we live in
Thats 14 pro tanking votes if you take my interpretation. Almost 3 out of 4 people if you want to average it out.
3 of the responses for me are basically supporting tanking - options 1,2 and 4.
Option one doesn't feel like its cheating, the issue is fan interest - fan interest would be high if we were a lock for a top 3 pick with the young core we have if you ask me. Interest in this season has dissipated recently due to the fact that we seem to be setting ourselves up for a lower draft pick, playing vets and winning games, when for much of the season we were looking at a high pick in a draft where there are very good projected players. You can argue that people are not interacting, and attendance on Kings fans is at an all time low because we are biting our nose off to spite our face here by winning pointless games. Its been a long season, there really isnt any more development to be done, just a finish to the season, exit meeting and summer workout schedules to be set.
Option two supports tanking noting its the world we live in
Option four supports tanking noting that it is cheating but again it is the world we live in
Thats 14 pro tanking votes if you take my interpretation. Almost 3 out of 4 people if you want to average it out.
That's one hypothesis that will go unproven for the simple reason we mods don't have easy access to all the email addresses of every member and we do not have the ability to blanket email every member of the forum.
I think you would be surprised, however, at the number of members who do log on and read but do not comment. Adding the poll to an ongoing thread is always problemataic as those who have no interest in further discussion of the topic might not respond (on either side).
I think you would be surprised, however, at the number of members who do log on and read but do not comment. Adding the poll to an ongoing thread is always problemataic as those who have no interest in further discussion of the topic might not respond (on either side).
Out of curiosity, I did a manual count of how many different members have posted in this thread. There are approximately 37 (error rate +/- 2) different responders, and only 21 poll participants. And, in looking at the poll participants, 12 of those have not posted in the thread.
Just some more data to try and interpret.
Just some more data to try and interpret.
Out of curiosity, I did a manual count of how many different members have posted in this thread. There are approximately 37 (error rate +/- 2) different responders, and only 21 poll participants. And, in looking at the poll participants, 12 of those have not posted in the thread.
Just some more data to try and interpret.
Just some more data to try and interpret.
I guess I need someone to be more specific about how we are defining cheating here. Are we talking about cheating as in breaking the rules or cheating fans by sandbagging.
Answer number 2 reminds me of the PEDs argument with Barry Bonds. He was doing it, but everyone was doing and it wasn't technically against the rules so he wasn't really cheating.
Answer number 2 reminds me of the PEDs argument with Barry Bonds. He was doing it, but everyone was doing and it wasn't technically against the rules so he wasn't really cheating.
if there was straight "yes it is cheating" I would vote for it.
Since those options were adding statements "I do not care about it" and that "Kings should do it", I could not select any of them.
I should have probably abstained, but I did not, just do not count it as "another things it is not cheating".
Since those options were adding statements "I do not care about it" and that "Kings should do it", I could not select any of them.
I should have probably abstained, but I did not, just do not count it as "another things it is not cheating".
I'm bored or I wouldn't be putting up any argument.
The poll question was "is tanking cheating?" If you take away the modifiers and leave just the one word answer, there are two "Yes" and two "No" options to reply. While you're correct in assuming three options are "pro-tank" it's not what the question asked. I'll be so glad when April 12 rolls around.
EDIT: If we look at it your way, the entire poll is skewed towards tanking (with 3 of the 4 options being "pro-tank") and therefore not only invalid but misleading.
The poll question was "is tanking cheating?" If you take away the modifiers and leave just the one word answer, there are two "Yes" and two "No" options to reply. While you're correct in assuming three options are "pro-tank" it's not what the question asked. I'll be so glad when April 12 rolls around.
EDIT: If we look at it your way, the entire poll is skewed towards tanking (with 3 of the 4 options being "pro-tank") and therefore not only invalid but misleading.
