Is it time for Christie to retire?

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Magic Might Waive Christie26th June, 2005 - 4:04 am
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Orlando Sentinel - The Orlando Magic are looking at a huge luxury tax payment and they might waive disgruntled guard Doug Christie's $8.2 million salary to save millions of dollars in payments.

"According to Scott Herring, the Magic's director of basketball administration, Orlando's payroll is estimated at around $72 million, well over the projected luxury-tax threshold of about $54 million."

For every dollar the Magic are over the thresold, they must pay a dollar-for-dollar penalty would be about $18 milllion.

However, if they waive Christie, the Magic would only have to make $8 million in payments rather than the $18 million.

Christie's expiring contract was considered a valuable asset this offseason but with no revenue from a new arena pouring in, this could very well happen.

"It's certainly an option," Herring said. "We'd look at it."
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The New York Knicks probably will use the option to cut Houston (owed $39 million over the next two seasons), and the Dallas Mavericks could waive Finley (owed $51 million the next three years) to get the tax relief.

The mechanism does not create salary-cap room, and the club that waived the player still would have to pay his remaining salary. Teams can waive only one player.

The amnesty provision offers teams the ability to free up a roster spot, but it also allows the player to "double-dip," Herring said.

Orlando could not re-sign the player it released, but any other team could sign him for, say, the veteran's minimum or the mid-level exception to the salary cap.

The Magic, who rank among the top 10 in NBA payrolls, could sign either the oft-injured Houston, 34, or the slumping Finley, 32. A contender looking to add one valuable piece could benefit greatly.

"You can create some free agents in the player pool," Herring said.

Christie, 35, also fits the description of a player who could be affected once the CBA officially is approved.

He is coming off ankle surgery and became disgruntled with the organization after being traded to the Magic from the Sacramento Kings.

Players such as Houston and Finley, who have years remaining on maximum contracts, or players who have struggled with injuries or poor play could be jettisoned.
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source: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/36365/20050626/magic_might_waive_christie/
 
God. Please waive him and let him come back for the minimum. Even if he doesn't start I'd love to see him in uniform as a backup PG/SG. I think he's still definitely good enough for that. Martin needs some direction.



Fillmoe said:
Magic Might Waive Christie26th June, 2005 - 4:04 am
Christie_Doug_orl.jpg
Orlando Sentinel - The Orlando Magic are looking at a huge luxury tax payment and they might waive disgruntled guard Doug Christie's $8.2 million salary to save millions of dollars in payments.

"According to Scott Herring, the Magic's director of basketball administration, Orlando's payroll is estimated at around $72 million, well over the projected luxury-tax threshold of about $54 million."

For every dollar the Magic are over the thresold, they must pay a dollar-for-dollar penalty would be about $18 milllion.

However, if they waive Christie, the Magic would only have to make $8 million in payments rather than the $18 million.

Christie's expiring contract was considered a valuable asset this offseason but with no revenue from a new arena pouring in, this could very well happen.

"It's certainly an option," Herring said. "We'd look at it."
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The New York Knicks probably will use the option to cut Houston (owed $39 million over the next two seasons), and the Dallas Mavericks could waive Finley (owed $51 million the next three years) to get the tax relief.

The mechanism does not create salary-cap room, and the club that waived the player still would have to pay his remaining salary. Teams can waive only one player.

The amnesty provision offers teams the ability to free up a roster spot, but it also allows the player to "double-dip," Herring said.

Orlando could not re-sign the player it released, but any other team could sign him for, say, the veteran's minimum or the mid-level exception to the salary cap.

The Magic, who rank among the top 10 in NBA payrolls, could sign either the oft-injured Houston, 34, or the slumping Finley, 32. A contender looking to add one valuable piece could benefit greatly.

"You can create some free agents in the player pool," Herring said.

Christie, 35, also fits the description of a player who could be affected once the CBA officially is approved.

He is coming off ankle surgery and became disgruntled with the organization after being traded to the Magic from the Sacramento Kings.

Players such as Houston and Finley, who have years remaining on maximum contracts, or players who have struggled with injuries or poor play could be jettisoned.
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source: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/36365/20050626/magic_might_waive_christie/
 
yeah I read about this earlier...and quite frankly I don't know if he should just hang it up or not...I think it would be nice to see him playing again but on the other hand if he retired I would totally understand...though I'd hate to see DC end his career in this kind of fashion..coming off surgery and the bad vibes between him and the Orlando organization
 
I think he's done, but it would not be a complete shock if he returned via this method. Of course that makes the whole destruction of the team last year look even more aimless, but whatever.

Too bad about the bad tax situation in Orlando. I was thinking that given Cat's desire to play with his ex-soulmate...er....ex-teammate cute little Stevie Francis, and with new management in Orlando, and with Doug a bust, and with them needing a shooter, that maybe, just maybe, we could reverse engineer that trade this summer, get Cat to agree to a sign and trade, and try to trade Cat back to Orlando for Doug and maybe their #11 pick or something.
 
or hedo.... gotta love those ex-kings..... hopfully we can trade corliss and thomas for a new and much taller pf... then sign christie if only for 1 year as our sg... we should also try to get wallace too.... hes a free agent and i just love ex-kings players....

i wonder if the lakers will waive grant, not that i want him but really though....
 
I'm sorry that whole Doug for Cuttino trade even happened. It wasn't worth it one bit, it just made things worse. No I don't think it's time for Doug to retire. I hate when people ask/say that. He still has a couple of years left. At LEAST one more year, I'd be devastated if he retired over this. I'm not even going to get into everything because you all know what kind of player Doug is and how he plays his game. Retirement shouldn't even come up now. I hope they do waive him and he goes somewhere that's good for him so he can start off fresh. I wish he could go back to Sacramento, or even better, come to Philly.. for Kevin Ollie.
 
AriesMar27 said:
or hedo.... gotta love those ex-kings..... hopfully we can trade corliss and thomas for a new and much taller pf... then sign christie if only for 1 year as our sg... we should also try to get wallace too.... hes a free agent and i just love ex-kings players....

i wonder if the lakers will waive grant, not that i want him but really though....

Wallace would never willingly return. Hedo is untouchable for less than a Peja. Nor am I an advocate of picking up Doug -- he really is through and should just retire. But that one I could at least see happen as long as we aren't too serious about winning anything next year.
 
If we picked Doug up for the minimum and brought him back to provide some defensive leadership, I would have no problem whatsoever with him taking up one of the lower slots on the roster. I would love to see him retire as a King.
 
By all means. I don't expect Doug to be much more than a 15min 6pt 2rb 3as guy for us, but I think he'd be a steal for hte vet min. I also think he's a good locker room presence(so did Orlando)



Bricklayer said:
I think he's done, but it would not be a complete shock if he returned via this method. Of course that makes the whole destruction of the team last year look even more aimless, but whatever.

Too bad about the bad tax situation in Orlando. I was thinking that given Cat's desire to play with his ex-soulmate...er....ex-teammate cute little Stevie Francis, and with new management in Orlando, and with Doug a bust, and with them needing a shooter, that maybe, just maybe, we could reverse engineer that trade this summer, get Cat to agree to a sign and trade, and try to trade Cat back to Orlando for Doug and maybe their #11 pick or something.
 
Christie was our best playoff performer exactly one year ago. He might not have much left, and maybe the injury is bigger than it seemed, but it's hard to imagine him being done when just one year ago he was stellar.



Bricklayer said:
Wallace would never willingly return. Hedo is untouchable for less than a Peja. Nor am I an advocate of picking up Doug -- he really is through and should just retire. But that one I could at least see happen as long as we aren't too serious about winning anything next year.
 
the kings might not take him back because they probly dont want jackie christie(that is her name right?) back;) :D .
 
mr. moustache said:
Christie was our best playoff performer exactly one year ago. He might not have much left, and maybe the injury is bigger than it seemed, but it's hard to imagine him being done when just one year ago he was stellar.

Here's a quote about his surgery:

April 7 said:
Doug Christie had surgery on his left ankle Wednesday in Seattle, according to the Orlando Sentinel. GM John Weisbrod said that what started as a simple arthroscopic procedure became more complicated when doctors needed to make an incision to remove several bone fragments, which will require a longer rehabilitation period.

I don't think there's any reason to assume Doug hasn't been doing everything he possibly can to rehabilitate the ankle. That's just the way he is. Since the bone spurs and the plantar fasciitis were what had slowed him down so much, I have to think he still has something left in the tank. And, as mr. moustache pointed out, if we can get him for the vet minimum I think it's money EXTREMELY WELL SPENT.
 
let's bring him back, he's obviously not happy in Orlando, and it hurts my heart to see him so miserable. I really don't think GP will but it's a nice thought. If not, let him go to Philly so he can play with CWebb again. I wish we could get them all back and let them retire with us but that's just me.
 
Bricklayer said:
Of course that makes the whole destruction of the team last year look even more aimless, but whatever.

Not exactly. We probably would have had to part with Daniels instead of Bradley two months later, could have been a complete disaster. ;)

I hope DC is relieved by the news that he may be waived. What could be better than being able to retire with full salary after all he's been thru? Oh, I know! Coming back to Sacramento and retiring a King, then staying on to coach D, would LOVE to see that happen.

COME BACK DOUG!
 
mr. moustache said:
Christie was our best playoff performer exactly one year ago. .

I still can't forget his missed three pointers years in a row in the playoffs.........


but, I'd still welcome him back, as long as he agrees to take no shots in the final minutes of the game.
 
christie made some clutch shots too.... so you have to take the good with the bad...... but as far as him coming back... i really think its time for him to retire.... hes had a pretty serious surgery and maybe he can come back one day and be part of the organization but not as a player
 
Fillmoe said:
christie made some clutch shots too.... so you have to take the good with the bad...... but as far as him coming back... i really think its time for him to retire.... hes had a pretty serious surgery and maybe he can come back one day and be part of the organization but not as a player

It wasn't SERIOUS surgery. It was not as simple as they first thought but it was NOT a debilitating procedure. There's no reason to assume it wasn't completely successful. Bone spurs aren't exactly a death warrant. The incision they made lengthened the rehabilitation time; it didn't mean he's now crippled.
 
DC and Vlade should both get waived and come back on our coaching staff. I see a lot of Doug in Kevin Martin and I agree with whoever said it would be good for Kevin. I'd like to see DC play one more season in a Kings uni, he doesn't have to start, but be a good role player.
 
Did you watch game 7 against the T-Wolves? It's a little hazy now, but in the last minute or so, he took a charge on D. Stole the ball. Made a 3ptr, and airballed a 3ptr. He's the reason Webb had a chance to tie it with a 3.



thesanityannex said:
I still can't forget his missed three pointers years in a row in the playoffs.........


but, I'd still welcome him back, as long as he agrees to take no shots in the final minutes of the game.
 
mr. moustache said:
Again. Did you see that game? I'll take 50% from 3 and 2 steals in 1 minute from my aging guard.
Yeah^, but you actually make sense. DC had 21 points in that game and carried us for long stretches, but I know I don't have to tell you that, It sounds like you actually watch the games.
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what really kills me is DC's airball(well, he actually hit the backboard) in game 7 against the lakers from the elbow. and then peja decided to join the party also.
 
VF21 said:
It happened in 2002.


It actually happened in 2003 as well, but only after swishing one 20 seconds beforehand, as well as providing the KIngs a slight chance to win the game. Without Doug's heroics the last 3 minutes we lose by 8. Instead we lose by 3, but we at least had a chance.

Anyway, I'd love to have Doug back as a backup SG/PG. He'd be a great influence on Mo(gotta keep him) and Martin. A younger Doug Christie and a Dennis Rodman in his prime is all this team needs to compete for a championship.

Unfortunately, the only Rodman around these days is named Ben Wallace and I think it's safe to say he's not going anywhere.
 
mr. moustache said:
It actually happened in 2003 as well, but only after swishing one 20 seconds beforehand, as well as providing the KIngs a slight chance to win the game. Without Doug's heroics the last 3 minutes we lose by 8. Instead we lose by 3, but we at least had a chance.

Anyway, I'd love to have Doug back as a backup SG/PG. He'd be a great influence on Mo(gotta keep him) and Martin. A younger Doug Christie and a Dennis Rodman in his prime is all this team needs to compete for a championship.

Unfortunately, the only Rodman around these days is named Ben Wallace and I think it's safe to say he's not going anywhere.

We'd still be short a post player and a goto guy who isn't shut down by top defenders. Lot of work to be done.

In any case though, doug isn't young. He's ancient for a player of his nature. Quickness was his game, and its seriously eroded. Throw in injuries and he really should just retire. We could bring him back to split time with the two young guys, but only if its under the understanding that we aren't even going to pretend that our OG position is good enough to compete for a title with.

But here's the thig, if I am reading reports correctly, in order to pick up one fo these salary cap victims ala Finley, Houston etc., you have to spend your MLE. And that is just not worth it for a 35 yr OG who you're bring back jsut for the memories. Time to move forward, and we need every resource we can muster.
 
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