In Monte We Trust

Grade Monte's trade deadline:

  • A+

    Votes: 8 11.1%
  • A

    Votes: 27 37.5%
  • A-/B+

    Votes: 24 33.3%
  • B

    Votes: 9 12.5%
  • B-/C+

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • C

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • D

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • Kangz

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    72

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
To summarize:

Kings out: Tyrese Haliburton, Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley, Tristan Thompson, Swag Ramsey, Robert Woodard
Kings in: Domantas Sabonis, Justin Holliday, Donte DiVincenzo, Jeremy Lamb, Trey Lyles, Josh Jackson, 2023 IND 2nd round pick

Kings keep all of their draft picks while decidedly veering down a "win now" path. Now all we can do is trust in Monte's vision.
 
Tyrese stings on an emotional level, but after last night’s game it’s hard to argue too much from a basketball perspective. Balanced and filled gaps, removed malcontents, got his dude DDV. He has to be feeling pretty good. Time will tell, but hard to expect much more…I’m on board.
 
There's also a feel to how Phoenix when they changed GMs, took about 2 years, everyone wanted to give the old GM credit for a finals trip and you look at it and there's 2 pieces that stuck around.
 
I’ve always had a good feeling about Monte’s GM potential.
Not only does he draft well but he seems to have trade savvy.
Yes no FRP’s out and a much more balanced team. I expect Fox will again shine giving us two stars and good complimentary players.
 
Reminder of Monte McNair's record as GM of the Sacramento Kings
20-21
31 wins 41 losses
21-22
21 wins 36 losses

Grade TBD

As crappy as things are, this is almost one of those A for effort things, haha. It's been that bad. Yeah, TBD is totally fair, but this is a step in a direction that should give everyone hope that indeed, these guys see the point.
 
Went from a C to a B+. I like the Bagley trade. Doesn't get an A, because he would've gotten more value last summer. Still bummed that the Kings traded Hali, but the value was fine. Sabonis is a beast. We'll see.

Gotta remember that Bagley missed most of last season due to injury and sucked when he did play. Us showcasing him after we fired Luke probably did recoup enough value for us to get DDV +the Pistons' two dudes back for him.
 
Gotta remember that Bagley missed most of last season due to injury and sucked when he did play. Us showcasing him after we fired Luke probably did recoup enough value for us to get DDV +the Pistons' two dudes back for him.

The only issue I see for Bagley is that Grant is still with the Pistons. I think they might just hide him on the bench for the rest of the year as a backup.
 
The only issue I see for Bagley is that Grant is still with the Pistons. I think they might just hide him on the bench for the rest of the year as a backup.
yeah it was a great situation for Bagley because Grant was going to be involved. They're still a tanking team that can play him out of position if they want or do whatever but it's hard to see him earning a big pay day or getting anything more than an audition now.
 
A when Domas extends.

Also an A for getting actually something for Bagels. I’d have partied for a top-59 protected 2nd. Legitimate my least favorite home player ever. Any sport. At least Jim is an excellent leader.
 
The only issue I see for Bagley is that Grant is still with the Pistons. I think they might just hide him on the bench for the rest of the year as a backup.

Whatever happens there, Detroit has a plan, and it's probably not to bury him.

When the leak came out that Detroit said no to a swap for Bey, Kings land thought it meant Marvin had no value. I said at the time that we have to consider who it benefited to leak the information. That was not rejection by Detroit. It was the start of the negotiations. For the past year Marvin has been linked to Detroit.

A team actually wants him. Good for Marvin. That's the best spot for any player to be in.

Ask Cam Reddish how come he couldn't crack the rotation in NY when the coach made it clear he didn't want him. Some situations are impossible to climb out of, no matter how hard you try.
 
I don't know if I can possibly give a letter grade.

When I was a much younger lad, in a day when we didn't have constant alerts on our cell phones (or even cell phones at all!) I remember coming home one day and being told by my Kings-fan-lite roommate: "We traded Jason Williams." My heart sunk. Then I asked, "Who did we get for him?" "Somebody named Mike Bibby?" Immediately I felt quite a bit better.

That's kind of the reverse of how I felt on Tuesday when I saw the news about the trade. "The Kings get Sabonis..." - wow, this is great! But uh-oh, who did we give up for him? Buddy...OK...Tyrese, Thompson...no picks, how did we manage to...did that say "Tyrese"? Oh.....yeah, that's how we managed it.

I think we all knew that Fox-Hali-Mitchell was not going to work long term and we were going to have to deal from a position of strength to shore up our weaknesses. That said, I was prepared to move on from Fox and to anoint Tyrese as our PG of the future. I will miss Tyrese dearly, and I fear we have given up a lot to get a lot - but I also recognize that the trade gives us a much better fit than running 3 PGs with no real post scoring. Right now I figure that in terms of talent, the swap was probably close enough that both teams will be happy down the road, but obviously there are years yet to come and we'll find out then whether the Kings or the Pacers or neither regret this deal.

Everybody probably knows that I was one of the last few vocal defenders of both Buddy and Bagley here. For all his deficiencies, Buddy is an amazing shooter in a league that values shooting over just about everything. Bagley is young, athletic, with great size and solid skills and just hasn't been able to put the package together yet. I still think he will. But, as best as we can tell, neither of these guys wanted to be around anymore, so I was already quite resigned to them being gone at the deadline.

Of course, I wish the other three guys the best, but I think it was abundantly clear that they were not in the team's long-term, or even short-term, plans.

We saw what Sabonis does for a team last night. I won't bother to say any more.

Holiday, and Lamb provide swing size that our team has been missing. Now, even if we play Barnes largely at the 4, we can run out a rotation including Holiday, Lamb, and Harkless at the 2/3 instead of three-guard lineups that have Tyrese or Buddy guarding a 6-8 guy on the other team. That's a step up. We almost feel big again.

I figure our rotation probably looks something like this, with King and Queta probably back to Stockton for the most part:

Fox, Mitchell
Holiday, DiVincenzo (Davis-IL)
Harkless, Lamb (Jackson)
Barnes, Metu (Lyles)
Sabonis, Holmes (Jones, Len)

Maybe DDV takes the starting spot, but for right now he's definitely rounding back into form and should be coming off the bench. We've lost some of the ability to go small (I won't really miss it!) with our smallest three-guard lineup we can even muster now being Fox-Mitchell-DiVincenzo - anything else has a reasonable-to-legit SF at the 3 (Holiday, Harkless, Lamb, Jackson). But with some heft at the C position, we can protect against foul trouble and go big if we really need it - a Fox-Barnes-Metu-Sabonis-Holmes lineup might not be unplayable in the right context. We've got a decent mix of vets and young talent, and we've already seen a team that began to move off the ball in ways that the Kings have rarely done since the glory days - only for one night, so far, but this without even a practice together!

The pieces fit better, the attitude on the team has clearly changed for the better, and we're very obviously gunning for the play-in. Whether we regret giving up Haliburton in the long run I don't know, but we're quite clearly better right now. Monte pulled that off, and only gave up one piece we're truly going to miss. Pretty impressive.
 
I don't know if I can possibly give a letter grade.

When I was a much younger lad, in a day when we didn't have constant alerts on our cell phones (or even cell phones at all!) I remember coming home one day and being told by my Kings-fan-lite roommate: "We traded Jason Williams." My heart sunk. Then I asked, "Who did we get for him?" "Somebody named Mike Bibby?" Immediately I felt quite a bit better.

That's kind of the reverse of how I felt on Tuesday when I saw the news about the trade. "The Kings get Sabonis..." - wow, this is great! But uh-oh, who did we give up for him? Buddy...OK...Tyrese, Thompson...no picks, how did we manage to...did that say "Tyrese"? Oh.....yeah, that's how we managed it.

I think we all knew that Fox-Hali-Mitchell was not going to work long term and we were going to have to deal from a position of strength to shore up our weaknesses. That said, I was prepared to move on from Fox and to anoint Tyrese as our PG of the future. I will miss Tyrese dearly, and I fear we have given up a lot to get a lot - but I also recognize that the trade gives us a much better fit than running 3 PGs with no real post scoring. Right now I figure that in terms of talent, the swap was probably close enough that both teams will be happy down the road, but obviously there are years yet to come and we'll find out then whether the Kings or the Pacers or neither regret this deal.

Everybody probably knows that I was one of the last few vocal defenders of both Buddy and Bagley here. For all his deficiencies, Buddy is an amazing shooter in a league that values shooting over just about everything. Bagley is young, athletic, with great size and solid skills and just hasn't been able to put the package together yet. I still think he will. But, as best as we can tell, neither of these guys wanted to be around anymore, so I was already quite resigned to them being gone at the deadline.

Of course, I wish the other three guys the best, but I think it was abundantly clear that they were not in the team's long-term, or even short-term, plans.

We saw what Sabonis does for a team last night. I won't bother to say any more.

Holiday, and Lamb provide swing size that our team has been missing. Now, even if we play Barnes largely at the 4, we can run out a rotation including Holiday, Lamb, and Harkless at the 2/3 instead of three-guard lineups that have Tyrese or Buddy guarding a 6-8 guy on the other team. That's a step up. We almost feel big again.

I figure our rotation probably looks something like this, with King and Queta probably back to Stockton for the most part:

Fox, Mitchell
Holiday, DiVincenzo (Davis-IL)
Harkless, Lamb (Jackson)
Barnes, Metu (Lyles)
Sabonis, Holmes (Jones, Len)

Maybe DDV takes the starting spot, but for right now he's definitely rounding back into form and should be coming off the bench. We've lost some of the ability to go small (I won't really miss it!) with our smallest three-guard lineup we can even muster now being Fox-Mitchell-DiVincenzo - anything else has a reasonable-to-legit SF at the 3 (Holiday, Harkless, Lamb, Jackson). But with some heft at the C position, we can protect against foul trouble and go big if we really need it - a Fox-Barnes-Metu-Sabonis-Holmes lineup might not be unplayable in the right context. We've got a decent mix of vets and young talent, and we've already seen a team that began to move off the ball in ways that the Kings have rarely done since the glory days - only for one night, so far, but this without even a practice together!

The pieces fit better, the attitude on the team has clearly changed for the better, and we're very obviously gunning for the play-in. Whether we regret giving up Haliburton in the long run I don't know, but we're quite clearly better right now. Monte pulled that off, and only gave up one piece we're truly going to miss. Pretty impressive.
I don't think Bagley got a fair shake but I'm glad to be done with his family. Buddy pretty much became indefensible at some point over the last few years. I don't think he gave up per se, but the heat check 3s that didn't go in with 20 on the shot clock I will be glad to never see again and I'm glad we're bringing in guys who put the "&D" into the 3pt equation.
 
I don't think Bagley got a fair shake but I'm glad to be done with his family. Buddy pretty much became indefensible at some point over the last few years. I don't think he gave up per se, but the heat check 3s that didn't go in with 20 on the shot clock I will be glad to never see again and I'm glad we're bringing in guys who put the "&D" into the 3pt equation.

I think both Bagley and Buddy had major reasons to be negative but for people making that kind of money, yeah, suck it up. Truth is they got F'd around constantly by this team. Lesser players forced THEM to change which was moronic. That said, the air is clear now. The negativity around Fox is possibly lifted. A new day begins, whatever cliche this calls for, lets get it.
 
I think both Bagley and Buddy had major reasons to be negative but for people making that kind of money, yeah, suck it up. Truth is they got F'd around constantly by this team. Lesser players forced THEM to change which was moronic. That said, the air is clear now. The negativity around Fox is possibly lifted. A new day begins, whatever cliche this calls for, lets get it.
The thing is be a pro. You can't do it. It's the same with Cousins who I absolutely love, he shot himself so hard in the foot repeatedly by becoming a meme for the technical foul.
 
I was prepared to move on from Fox and to anoint Tyrese as our PG of the future. I will miss Tyrese dearly, and I fear we have given up a lot to get a lot - but I also recognize that the trade gives us a much better fit than running 3 PGs with no real post scoring. Right now I figure that in terms of talent, the swap was probably close enough that both teams will be happy down the road, but obviously there are years yet to come and we'll find out then whether the Kings or the Pacers or neither regret this deal.

The pieces fit better, the attitude on the team has clearly changed for the better, and we're very obviously gunning for the play-in. Whether we regret giving up Haliburton in the long run I don't know, but we're quite clearly better right now. Monte pulled that off, and only gave up one piece we're truly going to miss. Pretty impressive.

The above sums up how I felt in the past 48 hours.

I will say, my initial take on the Haliburton trade was a bit hasty. I understood and agreed with the decision that Fox in his prime is ready and thus putting Sabonis next to him is the correct move in terms of leaping from mediocre (which we know all too well) to contending.

I just vehemently disagree with giving up the young guard oozing with potential.

But even in an alternate universe where Pacers actually wanted Fox more than Haliburton, and we managed to put Ty and Sabonis together instead, it'll still arguably take longer for that team to flourish. At the end of the day, McNair is a hired gun with specific tasks and goals, it simply makes more business sense to keep the one who's all but ready to go instead of the alternative where it might take a few years longer, which, to quote Kyle Shanahan, we can't even guarantee that anybody in the world will be alive tomorrow and who knows if McNair would still be with the franchise then to see the seed he planted in that alternate universe.

I was going to quit the team based on the organization not making sane decisions. But ultimately, I just didn't want to follow a losing franchise that isn't capable to correct course. After having seen last night's game, I am not saying I was all wrong yet but I gotta give credit to McNair for at least having the stones to follow through with his plan and making the "win-now" decisions that might not be the most popular, which, also to his credit, he had declared as such from months ago, during our worst period as a team as the rest of the world laughed at him for not choosing to tank.
 
A great many Kings fans were ready to toss Marvin Bagley out the door for a late second rounder. Monte McNair assessed the market, determined it was for buyers, recognized Detroit's interest in Bagley (perhaps the only team out there with genuine interest) and exploited it to get a player that was very clearly on his radar. Somehow, he turned the most disappointing pick of the 2018 draft--a player whose value was assumed to amount to nothing more than a bag of chips--into Donte DiVincenzo and added wing depth. He wasn't kidding last night when he said he had work to do after introducing the media to Sabonis/Holiday/Lamb.

As with the Sabonis trade, Monte got his guy, but I'm pretty impressed with his ability to bolster the Kings' wing depth and length while not committing long-term money to any of those extra pieces and not sending out any draft picks.

In my estimation, Sabonis + DiVincenzo + flexible wing depth is of considerably greater value than Haliburton + Buddy + Bagley. In a vacuum, of course. Bottoming out may ultimately prove to have been the more sensible path forward. But Monte has reiterated time and again that he's never had any intention of tanking and stockpiling youth/picks. When taken at his word, and considering his stated goals, his work at the trade deadline gets an A- from me. Moving Holmes for someone like PJ Washington would have bumped this up into the solid-A/A+ territory.

And hey, Monte's still got his first rounder this year. It likely won't be as high as it would have been without these moves, but I think Monte's feeling himself. It's an asset he preserved. If he does nothing more than make his selection and go home, I am confident in his ability to find great value outside the top picks of the first round.
 
And for all the talk of win now, the Kings only got nominally older than we were before (and that's pretty much entirely due to us trading Tyrese)

Sabonis is 25
Fox is 24
Davion is 23
DiVincenzo turned 25 ten days ago


Aside from Justin Holliday, this entire roster is under 30 years old. AND we still have all our picks (even picked one up in the Pacers trade)
 
A great many Kings fans were ready to toss Marvin Bagley out the door for a late second rounder. Monte McNair assessed the market, determined it was for buyers, recognized Detroit's interest in Bagley (perhaps the only team out there with genuine interest) and exploited it to get a player that was very clearly on his radar. Somehow, he turned the most disappointing pick of the 2018 draft--a player whose value was assumed to amount to nothing more than a bag of chips--into Donte Divincenzo and added wing depth. He wasn't kidding last night when he said he had work to do after introducing the media to Sabonis/Holiday/Lamb.

As with the Sabonis trade, Monte got his guy, but I'm pretty impressed with his ability to bolster the Kings' wing depth and length while not committing long-term money to any of those extra pieces and not sending out any draft picks.

In my estimation, Sabonis + DiVincenzo + flexible wing depth is of considerably greater value than Haliburton + Buddy + Bagley. In a vacuum, of course. Bottoming out may ultimately prove to have been the more sensible path forward. But Monte has reiterated time and again that he's never had any intention of tanking and stockpiling youth/picks. When taken at his word, and considering his stated goals, his work at the trade deadline gets an A- from me. Moving Holmes for someone like PJ Washington would have bumped this up into the solid-A/A+ territory.

And hey, Monte's still got his first rounder this year. It likely won't be as high as it would have been without these moves, but I think Monte's feeling himself. It's an asset he preserved. If he does nothing more than make his selection and go home, I am confident in his ability to find great value outside the top picks of the first round.

He sneakily improved cap flexibility (Can get off Jackson/Lyles/Lamb this off-season with Holiday, Harkless, Davis, Len all coming off the books the following year), kept all his future picks, vastly improved the talent spectrum in the short-term ( on defense especially) while still infusing this team with talented youth (Sabonis 25, DDV 24). Hopefully DDV can be somewhat of a buy-low contract this off-season ($8-10mil range) and there's a small window where we should have the cap space to make a splash before having to re-up Barnes and Sabonis to bigger contracts.

It's an incredible spot to be in heading to the off-season. Holmes should be a sought after asset on his contract. We'll potentially have 5 expiring contracts if we keep Lyles. Lamb should be fairly affordable and certainly not more expensive than his last contract if he plays well down the stretch here.
 
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