In case any of you Jimmer Fanatics have been wondering why Thornton gets more minutes...

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If anyone was wondering, this is why Thornton gets more minutes than Jimmer:

eFG% - Jimmer 53%, Thornton 45%

TS% - Jimmer 56%, 48%

PER - Jimmer 16.4, Thornton 10.7 (10.7 is so, so bad)

Pts per 36 min - Jimmer 18.1, Thornton 12.4

Defensive rating - Jimmer 110, Thornton 110

WS/48 - Jimmer 0.748, Thornton 0.45

Ast% - Jimmer 21.4 Thornton - 6.7

Reb% - Jimmer 7.8, Thorton 8.0

Yes, Thornton gets more minutes because he has higher rebound rate by 0.2.

(credit for this post goes to cougarboard)
 
Spike said:
If anyone was wondering why Jimmer fans get a bad rap around here, look no further than the original post.
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For all the sensationalism I see on here and opinions/attacks that lack a statistical foundation, I feel that this post is a bit more fair than you are giving it credit for.
 
The comparison should be Thornton versus McLemore right now. But only a kings fan would know that
 
Dreadnought said:
Jimmer is an absolutely terrible basketball player. Great guy, though.
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Perfect post to follow up my 2nd post in this thread with. Nobody will give this guy a hard time for making a baseless attack, yet several people will be up in arms over me using statistics and facts to try and prove a point.
 
You could have just as easily compared Jimmer's stats to Outlaw's. Thornton and Jimmer play different positions. It makes you look like a fanboy who doesn't know the game.

If you had gone at things by posting Jimmer's stats without attacking Thornton, the snark would not have been there. Thornton deserves the grief, but it doesn't at all relate to Jimmer.

In fact, Jimmer has done well given the minutes, and you could argue that he deserves more, but that would have to come at the expense of IT's minutes.
 
Spike said:
You could have just as easily compared Jimmer's stats to Outlaw's. Thornton and Jimmer play different positions. It makes you look like a fanboy who doesn't know the game.

If you had gone at things by posting Jimmer's stats without attacking Thornton, the snark would not have been there. Thornton deserves the grief, but it doesn't at all relate to Jimmer. In fact, Jimmer has done well given the minutes, and you could argue that he deserves more, but that would have to come at the expense of IT's minutes.
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Fair enough, but your defense of Thornton poses a bit of a double standard, as nearly everyone on this board seems to agree that Jimmer can't play PG and should be at the 2, instead. So you can't have it both ways.
And I think you are overplaying the snark factor of my post. I'd give it a 4/10 on the snark scale. You are treating it more like an 8/10.
 
You might want to re-read if you think I'm defending Thornton. At no point in this season has Jimmer had extended time at the 2.
Many have actually argued that Jimmer is a man without a position, and his game tends to bear it out, BUT, he has been increasingly serviceable at the PG position. If I'm in the minority thinking he's doing OK at the 1 vs. the 2, I'll gladly be there alone, but I doubt that's the case.
 
Revenge said:
Fair enough, but your defense of Thornton poses a bit of a double standard, as nearly everyone on this board seems to agree that Jimmer can't play PG and should be at the 2, instead. So you can't have it both ways.
And I think you are overplaying the snark factor of my post. I'd give it a 4/10 on the snark scale. You are treating it more like an 8/10.
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I think Jimmer is proving he can play pg. At what level, well maybe not high but he isn't embarrassing himself on the court as he did in the first two years.
 
Jimmer had a good night tonight. He just came out and let it fly. He didn't play at the Pacers tempo; he played at his own. Good job by Jimmer.
 
Revenge said:
For all the sensationalism I see on here and opinions/attacks that lack a statistical foundation, I feel that this post is a bit more fair than you are giving it credit for.
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It's not the facts they are objecting to, it's the ridiculous attitude. The funny part is that you are blind to it.
 
Revenge obviously chose a wrong game to post this thread. Should have done it after we beat the Cavs, bud.
 
Jimmer is a good player and will get more pull on another team.

I enjoy watching him. He has an interesting game.
 
At this point I almost wish we'd just get rid of Jimmer for a 2nd rounder top 60 protected or a Soda Stream so we don't have to keep dealing with all of these fanboys.
 
Jimmers worst game in the last week or so and this comes up tonight. The most min he has gotten all year and he got worse and worse. Jimmer is solid for 5 min in the first half and 5 min in the 2 nd half. If he plays any longer he gets outside the range of his talents.
 
Entity said:
Jimmers worst game in the last week or so and this comes up tonight. The most min he has gotten all year and he got worse and worse. Jimmer is solid for 5 min in the first half and 5 min in the 2 nd half. If he plays any longer he gets outside the range of his talents.
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I think that is unfair to Jimmer as his second stint was in the midst of the Pacers burial run and the rest was garbage time. His first half stint was very good and he has played well when it counts for the past week or so. Is he a great player? heck no, but he does have an elite skill(shooting) and he generally makes the right play most of the time and has a high basketball IQ. Also for the first time in his career he knows how much and when he will play every night, which helps EVERY NBA player. I don't know if his future is with the Kings, but i'm certain he will make a nice career for himself in the NBA.
 
Entity said:
Jimmers worst game in the last week or so and this comes up tonight. The most min he has gotten all year and he got worse and worse. Jimmer is solid for 5 min in the first half and 5 min in the 2 nd half. If he plays any longer he gets outside the range of his talents.
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Yes I can agree with that. And because this thread exists, shows we've got some serious lack of talent if we're trying to figure out who is going to get minutes. On any high caliber team, both of these guys would be bench warmers. sigh... Tired of our wasted draft picks.
 
King Baller said:
Jimmer has looked pretty good the last few games. I don't understand all the negative responses Jimmer fans or no???

Jimmer is a King and he is contributing, thats all I care about.

KB
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makes me wonder if they are showcasing him or he's finally starting to get it
 
t-rex said:
You would be hard pressed to find anyone on this board defend Thornton
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Early in the year I tried. Honest to God, I did. It seemed like every excuse I made for the guy, he went out and proved I was a sucker for making those excuses.

Now, I am limited to, "Well, he isn't as bad at defense as Ben all the time."
 
Hadlowe said:
Early in the year I tried. Honest to God, I did. It seemed like every excuse I made for the guy, he went out and proved I was a sucker for making those excuses.

Now, I am limited to, "Well, he isn't as bad at defense as Ben all the time."
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And even that gets difficult on the odd occasion that Ben actually manages to slow down a Kyrie Irving.
 
A big part of Jimmer's recent success is that he FINALLY has a consistent role on the team and consistent minutes. He comes in, runs the second unit for a few minutes, puts up a few points, then goes back to waving towels. He is consistently playing with the same bunch of guys so he knows how to find them in open spots, knows where their best spots are and is able to be aggressive in scoring. He has actually looked pretty decent as a shoot-first point guard. His handle isn’t exposed as much against bench defense and he is able to get clean looks in transition and the half-court coming off screens.

Putting him in the starting lineup makes almost no sense. 1) he is undersized at the position. Even if his perimeter defense is no worse than Thornton or B-Mac, he is more vulnerable to postups by big 2-guards. 2) There aren’t enough shots to go around in the starting five between IT, Cousins and Gay. Adding another shooter (and lately a ball-dominant shooter) to that mix isn’t going to result in better offense. 3) B-Mac and Thornton aren’t making their shots right now, but defenses still respect the shot. At best, Jimmer drags a defender a step further away from the paint for Cousins, IT or Gay to do damage down low.

So, you’d be taking Jimmer, one of only 2 respectable bench weapons right now and making him play undersized, in a different role than the one he is performing well in, take fewer shots, and risk messing up what has been a pretty decent offensive dynamic in the starting five.

Do you want JImmer to fail?
 
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