Dude, if they seriously ever bring AIM back, I'd totally mark out!!!! AIM was the real deal back then!!!chat rooms will make a come back I think, it's only a matter of time. Bring AIM back.
Dude, if they seriously ever bring AIM back, I'd totally mark out!!!! AIM was the real deal back then!!!
In what way? If you haven't seen what's happening to Twitter over the past few weeks you aren't paying attention.
The media covering how awful Twitter is from a business standpoint didn't happen until Elon bought it, despite the fact that the company has had a terrible business model for a decade now. Where were all the reports before the purchase?
Also the NYT covering Elon is about as biased as it gets. Now if they cover something that is against their own beliefs, I may be inclined to listen. Anything else is just one sided propaganda.
I certainly knew of Twitter’s business woes before Elon even with zero incentive/investment in it, and it sounds like you did too. Not sure where you gleaned that knowledge, but I might’ve picked it up from these pre-2021 NYT articles.
Twitter Stock Drops After User Numbers Decline
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/technology/twitter-stock-earnings.html?searchResultPosition=263
Twitter Struggles to Capitalize on Influence and Posts Lackluster Earnings
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/business/twitter-q4-earnings.html?searchResultPosition=265
Twitter’s Troubles and Snap’s Appeal: It’s All About the Mojo
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/...-about-the-mojo.html?searchResultPosition=303
Twitter’s Business Shrinks, but Investors See a Glimmer of Hope
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/26/business/twitter-q1-earnings.html?searchResultPosition=316
Twitter Narrows Loss, Adds Users and Misses Revenue Forecast
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/27/...evenue-forecast.html?searchResultPosition=346
Twitter User Growth Stalls, and the Chief Pledges to Make Fixes
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/11/...ngs-user-growth.html?searchResultPosition=348
Can This Relationship Be Saved? Big Tech and Big Advertisers Talk It Over.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/...facebook-google.html?searchResultPosition=102
Twitter Is Said to Be Discussing a Possible Takeover
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/24/business/dealbook/twitter-sale.html?searchResultPosition=178
Brace Yourself for What’s Coming at Twitter
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/...r-elliot-singer.html?searchResultPosition=248
If you want to talk articles about Twitter’s content cesspool problems and opinion pieces like “I quit Twitter and it feels great” this list could be 100+
I guess I worded that poorly because obviously you'll be able to find articles on just about anything if you search enough. The point is if you want to pretend like the coverage has been the same, pre Elon and post Elon, then go ahead. Not to get political, but you could provide the same list of articles about a certain president who got hit with the biggest propaganda campaign in the history of our lives. Doesn't mean that the coverage was the same before and after the propaganda machine started. The number of anti Twitter articles has skyrocketed post Elon.
Like I said, when media companies start eating their own, I listen. Otherwise it's just propaganda. These corporations lie to us on a daily basis and we continue to go back to them for news. They aren't news. They're merely just a tool to validate our own biases.
While I let this post go, your follow up post was over the boundary into political discussion, etc., so I deleted it.I guess I worded that poorly because obviously you'll be able to find articles on just about anything if you search enough. The point is if you want to pretend like the coverage has been the same, pre Elon and post Elon, then go ahead. Not to get political, but you could provide the same list of articles about a certain president who got hit with the biggest propaganda campaign in the history of our lives. Doesn't mean that the coverage was the same before and after the propaganda machine started. The number of anti Twitter articles has skyrocketed post Elon.
Like I said, when media companies start eating their own, I listen. Otherwise it's just propaganda. These corporations lie to us on a daily basis and we continue to go back to them for news. They aren't news. They're merely just a tool to validate our own biases.
While I let this post go, your follow up post was over the boundary into political discussion, etc., so I deleted it.
Regardless of your political opinion, Elon's changes to Twitter so far have done nothing but degrade the product, much like Coke changing to New Coke. He's broken the user verification system and then tried to implement a joke of a replacement that was just a blatant money grab, allowed bots and others to impersonate users causing untold issues (along with companies losing millions of $$$ due to fake posts, etc.), degraded the level of conversation (spikes in racial slurs, etc., allowed), is apparently considering adding/monetizing porn on the app, allowed copyrighted material to be illegally broadcast without being taken down in a timely manner, has banned users that fact-checked him, banned users that mocked his decisions and absurd posts (yay, free speech!), driven away millions in advertising from Twitter, fired or caused to quit the vast majority of the employees, downgraded Twitter's credit rating significantly, etc.
But yes, sure, the concern over this app's long term prospects is just political correctness overreacting to his letting a couple of previously banned users (for good reason, given what they were posting) back on the platform.I think you are the one ignoring the big picture here.
It's like what would happen here at KF if moderation was removed. And while some might prefer that, the majority of the users apparently appreciate some guardrails on behavior here. Same with Twitter. If you don't like it, there's always other options (as mentioned previously in this thread) that don't hold up at least some minimum behavioral and posting standards.
Twitter isn't the only option out there, so there is no need to try to turn Twitter into those other, lesser platforms in the name of "protecting free speech", which doesn't exist on private company products anyways and never works out as well as it sounds in theory as the idiots immediately start overrunning those actually contributing.
Edit: And if he didn't just buy it to break it (because he's acting like a petulant child with way too much money on his hands), why not just buy one of the others out there for a LOT less $$$ that are supposedly a lot closer to his "ideal" than Twitter was/is? It's because nobody wants that. He can't take an inferior product (Truth, Parlor, etc.) and make what he wants, because it isn't in demand. What he wanted to do was buy the one everyone already liked and tear it down because he was mad about the success it had being what it was.
Ok, whatever. My "opinions" are based on published facts (layoffs, published emails and Twitter posts, credit ratings, announced advertising losses, etc.) from a variety of sources and generally aren't based on any political leanings. You are reading much more into it than is there.We can't have a fair conversation here when you get to delete my posts and then carry on with your own opinion, so I'm going to bow out here.
Just remember that your sources here are propaganda. The same sources that had people on this very forum thinking it was okay to tell me back in 2020 that I should be locked in my house with no ability to have any sort of freedom to go back into the real world unless I blindly followed what these exact sources claimed were the truth....which subsequently we all found out were false. Don't think I've forgotten about that.
Back to the original topic, so - are there any other options that might be promising as a replacement if Twitter does start sputtering? Anyone see major organizations leaning to a different solution at this point?
I have an Instagram account but still don't see the "appeal". You can post pretty photos. OK. You can do that about anywhere (Facebook, etc.). It seems like it is focused on the needs of photographers, not the sports world, news, etc. How could it replace a useful thing like Twitter?An article from nytimes about the challenges of implementing moderation, but indicates there's some interest in Mastodon from journalists
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/style/mastodon-twitter-adam-davidson.html
I think for professional sports, players are the key influencers. A lot seem to have presences and comfort with Instagram. I'd expect that if there was an exodus of players from twitter as a platform, Instagram might be a likely place for public sports discussion.
I enjoy reddit r/nba for general NBA discussion.
Twitter is the modern newspaper (breaking news, sports, entertainment, etc.), along with comments. Calling it a disgraceful propaganda tool is like saying Facebook is, or Instagram is, or any other app that has user posts. I'm confused about this stance.Twitter is a disgraceful propaganda tool that's never made a profit, very little will change with Elon the media is just making him out to be some sort of boogie man until he folds to pressure to ban every conflicting opinion to the people who control narratives. I hope he destroys it, it's caused enough damage to people personally and the world in general.
Twitter is the modern newspaper (breaking news, sports, entertainment, etc.), along with comments. Calling it a disgraceful propaganda tool is like saying Facebook is, or Instagram is, or any other app that has user posts. I'm confused about this stance.
I have an Instagram account but still don't see the "appeal". You can post pretty photos. OK. You can do that about anywhere (Facebook, etc.). It seems like it is focused on the needs of photographers, not the sports world, news, etc. How could it replace a useful thing like Twitter?