How to derail a perfectly good thread

[Glenn]

This has been the most hilarious thread to read but i have to explain why. I have one person on Ignore. Unlike the old forum software, this software does not leave a message when someone has posted a note. I thought you were all hallucinating until I remembered!! In any case, now you know why I have him/her on Ignore. I was tempted briefly to take the person off ignore just to see what ticked everybody off but, Nah!!! Have fun, folks.

 

[VF21]

It's the most hyped draft since the Lebron era. As I mentioned before, if we acquire a Parker or Wiggins or Embiid we're looking at a potential future hall of famer. A player who can single handily lead the team to the playoffs and with the help of Cousins and a few veterans can actually win the whole dang thing. Veterans come cheap by the way. That should not be a worry. Veterans will find you like a Garnett or Pierce or Ray Allen. If they see you have potential, they will flock over. If you only have Cousins and Rudy Gay, you won't get too many quality vets for cheap...Rudy will only be 29. He won't be making 19 but some team will surely pay him 15 million. He would theoretically still have a solid 4 years considering his health.

Thanks for totally derailing a perfectly good thread with nonsense.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Again, no we wouldn't get screwed over.. He's a huge ending contract that a bunch of teams would be licking their chops to get in order to sign a FA in 2015. There are quite a few elite level FAs in 2015. So why again would we be disappointed? Do you honestly believe our FO would let him walk for nothing if he wasn't intending on resigning?

No, our FO would just trade him in his last year of contract if he didn't intend on signing for us. What would be get in return? Hasbins...

 

[Tetsujin]

It's the most hyped draft since the Lebron era. As I mentioned before, if we acquire a Parker or Wiggins or Embiid we're looking at a potential future hall of famer. A player who can single handily lead the team to the playoffs and with the help of Cousins and a few veterans can actually win the whole dang thing. Veterans come cheap by the way. That should not be a worry. Veterans will find you like a Garnett or Pierce or Ray Allen. If they see you have potential, they will flock over. If you only have Cousins and Rudy Gay, you won't get too many quality vets for cheap...Rudy will only be 29. He won't be making 19 but some team will surely pay him 15 million. He would theoretically still have a solid 4 years considering his health.

Or we wind up with Darko...

 

[VF21]

This has been the most hilarious thread to read but i have to explain why. I have one person on Ignore. Unlike the old forum software, this software does not leave a message when someone has posted a note. I thought you were all hallucinating until I remembered!! In any case, now you know why I have him/her on Ignore. I was tempted briefly to take the person off ignore just to see what ticked everybody off but, Nah!!! Have fun, folks.

The ticket sales window just opened...

 

[Tetsujin]

No, our FO would just trade him in his last year of contract if he didn't intend on signing for us. What would be get in return? Hasbins...

Can he block shots?

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

This has been the most hilarious thread to read but i have to explain why. I have one person on Ignore. Unlike the old forum software, this software does not leave a message when someone has posted a note. I thought you were all hallucinating until I remembered!! In any case, now you know why I have him/her on Ignore. I was tempted briefly to take the person off ignore just to see what ticked everybody off but, Nah!!! Have fun, folks.

Love you too Glenn,

 

[Gary]

It's the most hyped draft since the Lebron era. As I mentioned before, if we acquire a Parker or Wiggins or Embiid we're looking at a potential future hall of famer. A player who can single handily lead the team to the playoffs and with the help of Cousins and a few veterans can actually win the whole dang thing. Veterans come cheap by the way. That should not be a worry. Veterans will find you like a Garnett or Pierce or Ray Allen. If they see you have potential, they will flock over. If you only have Cousins and Rudy Gay, you won't get too many quality vets for cheap...Rudy will only be 29. He won't be making 19 but some team will surely pay him 15 million. He would theoretically still have a solid 4 years considering his health.

Total speculation. There is no way to tell how strong the draft is going to be. It is HYPED to be a strong draft, and I actually believe it will, but there is no LeBron in this draft. There is no player in the draft that's going to make vets say "yah I want to play with this rookie!". Doesn't happen like that.

 

[VF21]

Can he block shots?

No, but he's a really good pass-first PG.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Thanks for totally derailing a perfectly good thread with nonsense.

I don't see why I can't have an opinion about Rudy Gay on our squad.

We had one good game.
You guys seem to forget how quickly the environment on here switched once we lost to Philly and Bobcats after the performances against top tier squads. People wanted everyone except Cousins traded. Now, all of a sudden, people are happy again. I don't get it..
We beat one good team...

 

[KingdomeCome]

Optimism doesn't have anything to do with passion for the Kings. I am optimistic as well. However, I will be less optimistic if we get stuck with an average ball club who is not a bottom tier team nor a playoff contender. I hope the Kings win the NBA Championship with Rudy Gay some day.

However, it doesn't seem all too feasible to me when we look at it from a business perspective there is a lot at stake. I just have a feeling Gay will have a short stay here. I could be wrong but if that happens then the Kings got screwed over and so did all of us fans.

If the alternative is what we gave up in the trade we still win. An expiring gay, or staying gay at this level is better than what we had or could get through free agency. Free agents flee our foul pollution as if we were Oedipus. We need to prove to the league our talent and willingness to win in order to attract any future free agents. Mediocracy is a huge step forward in our pursuit to relevance and leaving the maloof era behind. I cannot understand the coherency of your point of view and i am six drinks in on the night of celebration, maybe seven will make you make sense. Ill get back to you about that.

 

[Gary]

Anyhow, you're not going to convince us of whatever you're trying to convince us of, and you're posting things that shouldn't be in a "positive" thread.

You're views are VERY VERY narrow-minded without looking at other options. You seem to think things will happen where the Kings couldn't benefit, and you couldn't be further from the truth. You're taking a very small argument and putting it on a one way street without any side streets intersecting. I am 100% sure the Kings have contingencies for every scenario you can think of.

 

[Uncia03]

It's the most hyped draft since the Lebron era. As I mentioned before, if we acquire a Parker or Wiggins or Embiid we're looking at a potential future hall of famer. A player who can single handily lead the team to the playoffs and with the help of Cousins and a few veterans can actually win the whole dang thing. Veterans come cheap by the way. That should not be a worry. Veterans will find you like a Garnett or Pierce or Ray Allen. If they see you have potential, they will flock over. If you only have Cousins and Rudy Gay, you won't get too many quality vets for cheap...Rudy will only be 29. He won't be making 19 but some team will surely pay him 15 million. He would theoretically still have a solid 4 years considering his health.

Are you actually watching the college games or just listening to the hype around them?
I spend hundreds of hours actually watching these games and let me tell you something about this year's class.
They are going to be great.
But Wiggins isn't nearly aggressive enough. I'm not happy with his lack of assertiveness and it looks as if it's going to take a few years before he is able to put it together.
With Embiid you've got a great young big...but I'm sorry, he just isn't Hakeem right now. Maybe in 5 years, but at the moment he doesn't have the hands to reach anywhere near that status.
Parker is the biggest stud out there right now, but he isn't going to be good enough to take a bad team on his back and lead them to the play-offs. He just isn't....unless somehow 35-40 wins gets you into the play-offs.
I remember hearing someone say that whoever drafted Anthony Davis was going to immediately become at least a 45 win team and would probably make the play-offs. Anthony Davis is great, but he couldn't do it, and I don't expect any of these young studs to completely turn around their franchise.

We've got a lot of assets that can be used to bring in more veteran players and I expect that is exactly what we'll end up doing. I want to keep this year's draft pick and I want to draft Cauley-Stein to put next to Cousins, but if we end up giving up that pick for a defensive veteran winning big then I'm ok with that as well.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

I'm ok with getting a Cauley-Stein as well. As long as we get a solid PG and Ben Mac actually lives up to his hype then we'd have a good squad as long as Cousins is ok carrying this team. I think nowadays in order to be an NBA champ, you need two superstar players to do it. Unless you're a Lebron or Kobe which is not likely...

 

[peacelate]

I don't see why I can't have an opinion about Rudy Gay on our squad.

We had one good game.
You guys seem to forget how quickly the environment on here switched once we lost to Philly and Bobcats after the performances against top tier squads. People wanted everyone except Cousins traded. Now, all of a sudden, people are happy again. I don't get it..
We beat one good team...

You can have a negative opinion about Gay. No one is saying you can't.

It seems like when people are happy about a Kings win or the team showing signs of progress, you immediately remind us how the sky is falling and how the future is bleak.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

You can have a negative opinion about Gay. No one is saying you can't.

It seems like when people are happy about a Kings win or the team showing signs of progress, you immediately remind us how the sky is falling and how the future is bleak.

I guess I come off as a pessimist so I apologize. I didn't see the joy after beating the Heat and Houston and was proven right when we lost to Philly and Bobcats. I just want to see this organization make the right moves for once. I don't see why we would get a player like D-Will for the future and then splash money on a Rudy Gay with a large contract soon to be expiring or not who plays the same position.
D-Will was playing extremely well for us. Granted, he's still got a lot to learn and isn't as great of a player as Rudy Gay is currently but we are rebuilding anyways....

 

[KingMilz]

Rudy on offence has been a perfect #2 option since coming over, his defence has been for the most part more than acceptable and I look forward to seeing him and D-Will play well together while Ben watches them.

 

[peacelate]

It's the most hyped draft since the Lebron era. As I mentioned before, if we acquire a Parker or Wiggins or Embiid we're looking at a potential future hall of famer. A player who can single handily lead the team to the playoffs and with the help of Cousins and a few veterans can actually win the whole dang thing. Veterans come cheap by the way. That should not be a worry. Veterans will find you like a Garnett or Pierce or Ray Allen. If they see you have potential, they will flock over. If you only have Cousins and Rudy Gay, you won't get too many quality vets for cheap...Rudy will only be 29. He won't be making 19 but some team will surely pay him 15 million. He would theoretically still have a solid 4 years considering his health.

Paul pierce is making 15 million this year. Garnett is making 12 million this year. That is a lot of dough for role players.

Ray Allen plays in Miami if you forgot, a city where there is actually things to do, so it isn't go to take much bargaining to get him to play there.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Hypothetical scenario, Kings finish the season with an incredible record and finish 1-2 position behind that 8th spot. We lose draft pick and our roster consists of IT, Cousins, Gay, Ben Mac and a bunch of prospects/role players.
Where do we go from there?
Seems kind of like a gamble to me.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Paul pierce is making 15 million this year. Garnett is making 12 million this year. That is a lot of dough for role players.

Ray Allen plays in Miami if you forgot, a city where there is actually things to do, so it isn't go to take much bargaining to get him to play there.

I should have been more thorough in my post

I mean Perce, Garnett and Ray Allen when they played together for the Celtics

Albeit, that was an exceptional situation and one that ended up working out really well. They also had some really good role players to help out and a surprising Rondo who bloomed right around the time they came...

 

[peacelate]

I guess I come off as a pessimist so I apologize. I didn't see the joy after beating the Heat and Houston and was proven right when we lost to Philly and Bobcats. I just want to see this organization make the right moves for once. I don't see why we would get a player like D-Will for the future and then splash money on a Rudy Gay with a large contract soon to be expiring or not who plays the same position.
D-Will was playing extremely well for us. Granted, he's still got a lot to learn and isn't as great of a player as Rudy Gay is currently but we are rebuilding anyways....

Those moves were made to acquire assets, something that this team lacked in the beginning of the year. Williams could be good, but Gay is good right now and can fetch more in trades than Williams can if things don't pan out. Would you rather have Patterson, Vasquez, and Salmons walk for nothing and have cap space to sign a mediocre free agent or have Gay who can get you more value in a trade?

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

The ticket sales window just opened...

I'll purchase one now...

 

[VF21]

I guess I come off as a pessimist so I apologize. I didn't see the joy after beating the Heat and Houston and was proven right when we lost to Philly and Bobcats. I just want to see this organization make the right moves for once. I don't see why we would get a player like D-Will for the future and then splash money on a Rudy Gay with a large contract soon to be expiring or not who plays the same position.
D-Will was playing extremely well for us. Granted, he's still got a lot to learn and isn't as great of a player as Rudy Gay is currently but we are rebuilding anyways....

If you don't see the joy, then just don't post. You were proven right? Is that all that's important to you?

I've tried multiple times to explain that this forum is like a family. You're the new neighbor and we've invited you into our home to share a meal. What happens? We're excited about that night's main course and you have to point out that it's really not that good, and that it'll probably make us sick by morning.

The "any questions" thread is a very long-standing tradition around here. I generally start it to acknowledge when one of our players has done very well in the game. It is USUALLY a celebration among fan friends, a way to share our happiness - however brief it may be - about a win.

What you did in this thread totally and completely sucked the joy out of tonight's win for a number of people. That's just not cool, dude, and it's not what Kingsfans.com is all about.

 

[KingMilz]

Hypothetical scenario, Kings finish the season with an incredible record and finish 1-2 position behind that 8th spot. We lose draft pick and our roster consists of IT, Cousins, Gay, Ben Mac and a bunch of prospects/role players.
Where do we go from there?
Seems kind of like a gamble to me.

We trade Ben and develop Williams along with Gay in case Gay bolts the following season, Cousins keeps getting better.

 

[peacelate]

Hypothetical scenario, Kings finish the season with an incredible record and finish 1-2 position behind that 8th spot. We lose draft pick and our roster consists of IT, Cousins, Gay, Ben Mac and a bunch of prospects/role players.
Where do we go from there?
Seems kind of like a gamble to me.

I guess that's the problem really. I hate to burst your bubble, but the Kings have zero chance of finishing 1-2 spots behind the 8th seed. They might be better than Utah, but every other team in the western conference is better.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

If you don't see the joy, then just don't post. You were proven right? Is that all that's important to you?

I've tried multiple times to explain that this forum is like a family. You're the new neighbor and we've invited you into our home to share a meal. What happens? We're excited about that night's main course and you have to point out that it's really not that good, and that it'll probably make us sick by morning.

The "any questions" thread is a very long-standing tradition around here. I generally start it to acknowledge when one of our players has done very well in the game. It is USUALLY a celebration among fan friends, a way to share our happiness - however brief it may be - about a win.

What you did in this thread totally and completely sucked the joy out of tonight's win for a number of people. That's just not cool, dude, and it's not what Kingsfans.com is all about.

I'm pretty sure I made a lot of positive comments during those games and even tonight.
Albeit, I am objective when the game is over and as my previous post explains, I wonder what will be if this team is stuck with a Gay, Cousins and IT. Surely not a playoff team. I guess if we did make such a run then we'd be a good team coming into the following year so I see the points people are making..

 

[fanop]

Cousins.
Cousins.
Cousins.

I think you underestimate how good Cousins is, and how easy Cousins makes life for Rudy.
I do believe that the winning will come as soon as PDA finishes working the roster, and once it does, I have little doubt that Rudy will re-sign with us. Why? Because of Cousins.
Also to state that Cousins and Gay aren't a 1-2 duo makes no sense. You've got the best big in the game and a top 5-10 SF in the game. Both of their games really translate well with each other. We've got a thread regarding 1-2 punch combinations and Cousins/Gay is somewhere at the top.

They're very good scorers, but I have yet to see their games compliment another. If you want to consider them a 1-2 punch, they would probably be at the end of the list. I think Gay likes being the 2nd/3rd scoring option and I think it's what his role is meant to be. It'll take a lot more than Cousins to convince Gay to stay. I don't see why he would stay if we weren't in the playoffs by the time his contract is over. Sacramento doesn't have much for him...I just can't really see it unless we make the playoffs, which I think we will. I'm really confident in next year.

No, I don't underestimate Cuz. I know he's the best C in the league.

 

[VF21]

I'm pretty sure I made a lot of positive comments during those games and even tonight.
Albeit, I am objective when the game is over and as my previous post explains, I wonder what will be if this team is stuck with a Gay, Cousins and IT. Surely not a playoff team. I guess if we did make such a run then we'd be a good team coming into the following year so I see the points people are making..

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[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

I guess that's the problem really. I hate to burst your bubble, but the Kings have zero chance of finishing 1-2 spots behind the 8th seed. They might be better than Utah, but every other team in the western conference is better.

Well, when you think about it we're only behind the lakers, grizzlies and Pelicans. I doubt we'll surpass Timberwolves.
The lakers aren't looking good at all without Kobe. They want to get rid of Gasol who's their last good player and Nash is a huge concern as well. The lakers are depending heavily on this upcoming draft. I have a feeling we'll finish ahead of them considering we have a Cousins and a Gay to follow. Pelicans don't look too good without Davis who is a question mark quite often when it comes to injuries. You also have the Grizzlies who are constantly dealing with injuries to their star players. If the Kings make a run, they can pass them up quite easily.
Then you have the Phoenix Suns are trying to throw this season and it's still not too late. Not like a team hasn't gone 0-10 before especially if they trade away some key players like Dragic. Denver is also trying to do the same despite being a possible 7th/8th playoff pick.

Saying this, it's not impossible to lose our draft pick at all considering Gay is with the team now.

 

[Gilles]

Too expensive.


Will not workout in a couple years as he will probably ditch us for a higher salary than what we can offer.
Meanwhile, back to reality......


If people are looking for an NBA contender squad, this is not currently it or in the making.
Instead, we are letting a prospect in D-Will play a supporting role with minimal minutes...until tonight.
Start D-Will with Gay, Cousins, IT (soon to be replaced) and JT or another PF if he is traded.

I don't know about the rest of you but it's not just about making the playoffs. It's about having an actual chance to win it. In order to get a squad like that, you need to prioritize. Mostly, with draft picks. Unfortunately, bringing in Rudy Gay dampened our future. Sure, we'll win some big games this season and everything will be fun and dandy (still no playoffs) and then when Rudy Gay leaves, what are we left with?? Nothing. And on top of that, a 7-12 draft pick which is still good but missing out on the potential of getting a superstar like Demarcus Cousins or an NBA ready player like Jabari Parker who could actually help the Kings make the playoffs next season and compete. Just look at what Lebron James did with that Cleveland franchise. A player single handily taking a team to the playoff finals. Kind of unthinkable but if we get a player who is half as good as James in this upcoming draft then we'd be pretty well off considering we still have COUSINS who is a force in this league already. If we had a top 5 draft pick and got either a rim protector or PG from a trade (assuming we got one of the other from the draft), we'd be pretty well off. Also, we could acquire a couple free agents and assuming Ben Mac is not traded for a PG or SG, then we'd have a pretty damn solid squad next season. There's still a chance for this; however, Rudy Gay is the major downside. I'm sure I'll get plenty of hate on here for being the only person to say that acquiring Rudy Gay was a negative thing but at least think about it yourself. Where does our future lie with a 27 year old who is on a 19 million per year contract....that's insane. I know he's an amazing player, and I enjoyed him greatly tonight. I was jumping around each time we scored a basket but then my logic kicked in and said this will not workout. If anything, we can use him as trade asset but will that be worth dropping a potential top 5 pick in the upcoming draft? Sure, this draft could be a bust and maybe 1 or none of the players actually become superstars but the majority if not all the superstars that are in our league came from a draft at some point. When you've got one this hyped up, it's hard to pass up on a top 5 pick. Idk, I just hope our FO know what they're doing. The last decade with this team has been disappointing cause we kept making stupid moves over and over again. I'd hate to miss out on another superstar only to have a Rudy Gay for a season or two and then get a couple washed up prospects for him like we always seem to do.

Also, I won't go into the whole IT thing, but it's another night that the opposing point guard scored a career high. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting tired of seeing opposing guards score 30+ (tonight 41) on us. Surely, the FO can't be overlooking this critical aspect to the game. A point guard and a big man are the two most important assets to a winning basketball club. You lack in one of those aspects and the rest of the team is donezo.




On the plus side, as a Kings fan, it's nice to see us beating these big teams. Now, lets just see a good performance like this against an average team like Orlando or Bobcats...
I just feel like our team like many bottom league squads only play big ball against top notch teams only to flop against the bottom rung squads.

Even if they put a lot of effort, Kings still finish with more wins than Bucks and Magic. Most expected outcomes of the lottery for teams with 3rd worst record are picks #4 and #5. Getting 2nd option with solid defense is most likely result for #4-5 anyway - sometimes you get Boogie, but mostly you have role players and sometimes busts. So which do you prefer? Getting #5 via trade, and then #7 in the draft, or just #4.
Expected salary for 2nd option is $12-13 million. Even $14 million is not that much of a reach, and only his agent would claim he gets more in a year
Love, Aldridge, Rondo and Parker hit the open market.
P.S. Kings will have their draft pick, unless they trade the remainder of protection to Chicago:
there's seemingly only 4 games between Kings and Pelicans, but when you look at
team------home games(w-l)--away games(w-l)
Kings------20(7-13)-------------13(4-9)
Pelicans----14(9-5)-------------19(6-13)
you get the idea Kings are not that close.