How to derail a perfectly good thread

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

EDIT: This post and all the subsequent posts in this thread were split from the Rudy Gay thread. - VF21

Too expensive.


Will not workout in a couple years as he will probably ditch us for a higher salary than what we can offer.
Meanwhile, back to reality......


If people are looking for an NBA contender squad, this is not currently it or in the making.
Instead, we are letting a prospect in D-Will play a supporting role with minimal minutes...until tonight.
Start D-Will with Gay, Cousins, IT (soon to be replaced) and JT or another PF if he is traded.

I don't know about the rest of you but it's not just about making the playoffs. It's about having an actual chance to win it. In order to get a squad like that, you need to prioritize. Mostly, with draft picks. Unfortunately, bringing in Rudy Gay dampened our future. Sure, we'll win some big games this season and everything will be fun and dandy (still no playoffs) and then when Rudy Gay leaves, what are we left with?? Nothing. And on top of that, a 7-12 draft pick which is still good but missing out on the potential of getting a superstar like Demarcus Cousins or an NBA ready player like Jabari Parker who could actually help the Kings make the playoffs next season and compete. Just look at what Lebron James did with that Cleveland franchise. A player single handily taking a team to the playoff finals. Kind of unthinkable but if we get a player who is half as good as James in this upcoming draft then we'd be pretty well off considering we still have COUSINS who is a force in this league already. If we had a top 5 draft pick and got either a rim protector or PG from a trade (assuming we got one of the other from the draft), we'd be pretty well off. Also, we could acquire a couple free agents and assuming Ben Mac is not traded for a PG or SG, then we'd have a pretty damn solid squad next season. There's still a chance for this; however, Rudy Gay is the major downside. I'm sure I'll get plenty of hate on here for being the only person to say that acquiring Rudy Gay was a negative thing but at least think about it yourself. Where does our future lie with a 27 year old who is on a 19 million per year contract....that's insane. I know he's an amazing player, and I enjoyed him greatly tonight. I was jumping around each time we scored a basket but then my logic kicked in and said this will not workout. If anything, we can use him as trade asset but will that be worth dropping a potential top 5 pick in the upcoming draft? Sure, this draft could be a bust and maybe 1 or none of the players actually become superstars but the majority if not all the superstars that are in our league came from a draft at some point. When you've got one this hyped up, it's hard to pass up on a top 5 pick. Idk, I just hope our FO know what they're doing. The last decade with this team has been disappointing cause we kept making stupid moves over and over again. I'd hate to miss out on another superstar only to have a Rudy Gay for a season or two and then get a couple washed up prospects for him like we always seem to do.

Also, I won't go into the whole IT thing, but it's another night that the opposing point guard scored a career high. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting tired of seeing opposing guards score 30+ (tonight 41) on us. Surely, the FO can't be overlooking this critical aspect to the game. A point guard and a big man are the two most important assets to a winning basketball club. You lack in one of those aspects and the rest of the team is donezo.




On the plus side, as a Kings fan, it's nice to see us beating these big teams. Now, lets just see a good performance like this against an average team like Orlando or Bobcats...
I just feel like our team like many bottom league squads only play big ball against top notch teams only to flop against the bottom rung squads.

 

[VF21]

Too expensive.


Will not workout in a couple years as he will probably ditch us for a higher salary than what we can offer.
Meanwhile, back to reality......

 

[Uncia03]

Too expensive.


Will not workout in a couple years as he will probably ditch us for a higher salary than what we can offer.
Meanwhile, back to reality......


If people are looking for an NBA contender squad, this is not currently it or in the making.
Instead, we are letting a prospect in D-Will play a supporting role with minimal minutes...until tonight.
Start D-Will with Gay, Cousins, IT (soon to be replaced) and JT or another PF if he is traded.

I don't know about the rest of you but it's not just about making the playoffs. It's about having an actual chance to win it. In order to get a squad like that, you need to prioritize. Mostly, with draft picks. Unfortunately, bringing in Rudy Gay dampened our future. Sure, we'll win some big games this season and everything will be fun and dandy (still no playoffs) and then when Rudy Gay leaves, what are we left with?? Nothing. And on top of that, a 7-12 draft pick which is still good but missing out on the potential of getting a superstar like Demarcus Cousins or an NBA ready player like Jabari Parker who could actually help the Kings make the playoffs next season and compete. Just look at what Lebron James did with that Cleveland franchise. A player single handily taking a team to the playoff finals. Kind of unthinkable but if we get a player who is half as good as James in this upcoming draft then we'd be pretty well off considering we still have COUSINS who is a force in this league already. If we had a top 5 draft pick and got either a rim protector or PG from a trade (assuming we got one of the other from the draft), we'd be pretty well off. Also, we could acquire a couple free agents and assuming Ben Mac is not traded for a PG or SG, then we'd have a pretty damn solid squad next season. There's still a chance for this; however, Rudy Gay is the major downside. I'm sure I'll get plenty of hate on here for being the only person to say that acquiring Rudy Gay was a negative thing but at least think about it yourself. Where does our future lie with a 27 year old who is on a 19 million per year contract....that's insane. I know he's an amazing player, and I enjoyed him greatly tonight. I was jumping around each time we scored a basket but then my logic kicked in and said this will not workout. If anything, we can use him as trade asset but will that be worth dropping a potential top 5 pick in the upcoming draft? Sure, this draft could be a bust and maybe 1 or none of the players actually become superstars but the majority if not all the superstars that are in our league came from a draft at some point. When you've got one this hyped up, it's hard to pass up on a top 5 pick. Idk, I just hope our FO know what they're doing. The last decade with this team has been disappointing cause we kept making stupid moves over and over again. I'd hate to miss out on another superstar only to have a Rudy Gay for a season or two and then get a couple washed up prospects for him like we always seem to do.

Also, I won't go into the whole IT thing, but it's another night that the opposing point guard scored a career high. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting tired of seeing opposing guards score 30+ (tonight 41) on us. Surely, the FO can't be overlooking this critical aspect to the game. A point guard and a big man are the two most important assets to a winning basketball club. You lack in one of those aspects and the rest of the team is donezo.




On the plus side, as a Kings fan, it's nice to see us beating these big teams. Now, lets just see a good performance like this against an average team like Orlando or Bobcats...
I just feel like our team like many bottom league squads only play big ball against top notch teams only to flop against the bottom rung squads.

Um...wow.

If Rudy and Cousins continue to develop chemistry and more importantly start winning then more than likely Rudy will re-sign with us. He already got his major pay-day. His next contract is going to be less than the current one. And for all practicable purposes...once you go into the Luxury Tax area, you might as well go big because being 5 million over means that you lose a lot from a salary perspecitve but probably don't have the talent to justify being in the Luxury tax. Since we can re-sign our own players as needed, Rudy isn't going to be the one to prevent us from moving forward.
We just need to get our roster set before getting into the Luxury tax. Once we get our guys, it will be up to Randive to pay them. Considering how well Rudy has been playing next to Cousins it would be foolish not to continue to build on what looks to be a phenominal 1-2 duo.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Um...wow.

If Rudy and Cousins continue to develop chemistry and more importantly start winning then more than likely Rudy will re-sign with us. He already got his major pay-day. His next contract is going to be less than the current one. And for all practicable purposes...once you go into the Luxury Tax area, you might as well go big because being 5 million over means that you lose a lot from a salary perspecitve but probably don't have the talent to justify being in the Luxury tax. Since we can re-sign our own players as needed, Rudy isn't going to be the one to prevent us from moving forward.
We just need to get our roster set before getting into the Luxury tax. Once we get our guys, it will be up to Randive to pay them. Considering how well Rudy has been playing next to Cousins it would be foolish not to continue to build on what looks to be a phenominal 1-2 duo.

You think players actually care about chemistry. Maybe Lebron James who's willing to make a little pay cut because he makes millions upon millions from endorsements and intelligent stock market trades in order to have a championship squad. Rudy Gay...He's just like the rest. We'll either have a player who is making way more than he should a tie him to a 4 year contract where he'll just play mediocre ball because he already got his money OR He will sign with another team that will offer him a couple million more. OR We'll trade him for washed up players and second round picks...and be stuck with more IT's.
Either way, if we keep winning, we lose out on a potential Lillard, Kobe, Olajuwon, Webber, Lebron etc from the upcoming draft.
Idk, choose your poison. All I know is that it was a stupid move by our FO but whatever enjoy your time with Rudy Gay as you will probably end up disliking him in the end.
Just a hunch


EDIT: Also, you seem to forget that the 2004 Kings roster of Bibby, Christie, Webber, Vlade and Peja probably had the best team chemistry in basketball or sports history!
Even then, there was no way of keeping that squad together because guess what...they all wanted certain contract extensions that were out of reach of the salary cap and that was the beginning of the end.

 

[Uncia03]

You think players actually care about chemistry. Maybe Lebron James who's willing to make a little pay cut because he makes millions upon millions from endorsements and intelligent stock market trades in order to have a championship squad. Rudy Gay...He's just like the rest. We'll either have a player who is making way more than he should a tie him to a 4 year contract where he'll just play mediocre ball because he already got his money OR He will sign with another team that will offer him a couple million more. OR We'll trade him for washed up players and second round picks...and be stuck with more IT's.
Either way, if we keep winning, we lose out on a potential Lillard, Kobe, Olajuwon, Webber, Lebron etc from the upcoming draft.
Idk, choose your poison. All I know is that it was a stupid move by our FO but whatever enjoy your time with Rudy Gay as you will probably end up disliking him in the end.
Just a hunch

Gay just had 32 points on 16 shots along with 5 rebounds and 4 assists.
Now here is where you are flat out wrong.
You're saying that if we sign him to a long-term contract he'll stop playing good ball because he'll have already gotten his money.
He's 33 games into this season with 49 more to go as well as all next season. So you tell me, why is he playing great ball for us right now when he's already gotten his money?
Hmmm?
By your logic he should be giving us 10 points on 4-16 shooting and 1 rebound....because well...he's already gotten paid.

Cousins is the best big man in basketball.
Gay is somewhere in the top 5-8 SFs in this league and looks like a great fit next to...the best big man in basketball. Gay is exactly who we need him to be in order to play winning basketball.

I'm a college basketball fanatic and I understand very clearly the talent that is in this year's draft. But Cousins is going to end up being too good just by himself to secure us a top 5 pick. With the acquisition of Rudy, you should expect more moves to be made to make this team better. Right now you should be setting yourself up to 'settle' for a defensive big man in the draft, if we end up keeping the pick. And that defensive big man is just the sort of player that we want next to Cousins, so even an 8-10 lottery selection will be a win for us.

 

[Uncia03]

EDIT: Also, you seem to forget that the 2004 Kings roster of Bibby, Christie, Webber, Vlade and Peja probably had the best team chemistry in basketball or sports history!
Even then, there was no way of keeping that squad together because guess what...they all wanted certain contract extensions that were out of reach of the salary cap and that was the beginning of the end.

Oh my goodness.
I can't believe that you just said that, here on a Kings fan board.

You know what was the beginning of the end?
It's the thing that happened to Webber that I'm not going to even put into writing.

You don't seem to understand how the salary cap works.
Once you have your players, if they want to play with you, you can't lose them provided that you're willing to pay them. The league can't stop you from paying your own players to retain them.

And this FO is definitely going to pay for their players because they want to field a winning basketball team.

I can't imagine how you'd think that salary cap issues were the doom of that fabulous team. It's mind-boggling.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Gay just had 32 points on 16 shots along with 5 rebounds and 4 assists.
Now here is where you are flat out wrong.
You're saying that if we sign him to a long-term contract he'll stop playing good ball because he'll have already gotten his money.
He's 33 games into this season with 49 more to go as well as all next season. So you tell me, why is he playing great ball for us right now when he's already gotten his money?
Hmmm?
By your logic he should be giving us 10 points on 4-16 shooting and 1 rebound....because well...he's already gotten paid.

Cousins is the best big man in basketball.
Gay is somewhere in the top 5-8 SFs in this league and looks like a great fit next to...the best big man in basketball. Gay is exactly who we need him to be in order to play winning basketball.

I'm a college basketball fanatic and I understand very clearly the talent that is in this year's draft. But Cousins is going to end up being too good just by himself to secure us a top 5 pick. With the acquisition of Rudy, you should expect more moves to be made to make this team better. Right now you should be setting yourself up to 'settle' for a defensive big man in the draft, if we end up keeping the pick. And that defensive big man is just the sort of player that we want next to Cousins, so even an 8-10 lottery selection will be a win for us.

My logic is that he'll be older and he'll have less motivation than someone like Kobe to actually put in twice the work and fight through all the minimal injuries to actually show that he is worth that contract extension. I just have a hard time believing. Not that he won't be a good player but Gay is not worth 19 million. That's a salary for elite superstars. If we gave up the pick for a Rondo and somehow got Sanders in an IT trade and Ben Mac made a tremendous turnaround post rookie year and we end up signing a couple key experienced veterans then yeah, I'd be happy. Actually, I'd be more than happy cause we'd be a Championship contender.
Otherwise, I still think it's the wrong move. Without a top 5 draft pick and this current roster, it will take an extra year or two to be a playoff team. By then, Rudy Gay will be gone and we'd start from scratch rebuilding around Cousins. Cousins will be tired of this shizz and leave once his contract expires. That's a worst case scenario.

 

[VF21]

You think players actually care about chemistry. Maybe Lebron James who's willing to make a little pay cut because he makes millions upon millions from endorsements and intelligent stock market trades in order to have a championship squad. Rudy Gay...He's just like the rest. We'll either have a player who is making way more than he should a tie him to a 4 year contract where he'll just play mediocre ball because he already got his money OR He will sign with another team that will offer him a couple million more. OR We'll trade him for washed up players and second round picks...and be stuck with more IT's.
Either way, if we keep winning, we lose out on a potential Lillard, Kobe, Olajuwon, Webber, Lebron etc from the upcoming draft.
Idk, choose your poison. All I know is that it was a stupid move by our FO but whatever enjoy your time with Rudy Gay as you will probably end up disliking him in the end.
Just a hunch


EDIT: Also, you seem to forget that the 2004 Kings roster of Bibby, Christie, Webber, Vlade and Peja probably had the best team chemistry in basketball or sports history!
Even then, there was no way of keeping that squad together because guess what...they all wanted certain contract extensions that were out of reach of the salary cap and that was the beginning of the end.

Wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Bibby stayed.
Christie got traded for Cuttino Mobley and left the league shortly thereafter.
Webber got traded and was never the same.
Vlade was the only one whose price we wouldn't match. He signed instead with the Lakers but, because of back problems, did virtually NOTHING until he retired.
Peja was traded for Artest and - guess what - was never as good as he was with the Kings. He was plagued by injuries and although there were flashes of the brilliance he once had, he was just never the same.

It wasn't "contract extensions that were out of reach of the salary cap" that broke up our best team. It was injuries and age.

You're not dealing with kids here. You're dealing with fans who KNOW their Kings history.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Oh my goodness.
I can't believe that you just said that, here on a Kings fan board.

You know what was the beginning of the end?
It's the thing that happened to Webber that I'm not going to even put into writing.

You don't seem to understand how the salary cap works.
Once you have your players, if they want to play with you, you can't lose them provided that you're willing to pay them. The league can't stop you from paying your own players to retain them.

And this FO is definitely going to pay for their players because they want to field a winning basketball team.

I can't imagine how you'd think that salary cap issues were the doom of that fabulous team. It's mind-boggling.

Kings were disgustingly dirty when they got rid of Webber, Peja, Vlade and Christie.
The Maloofs were so cheap and stupid that it's beyond words...

Hwwwwwhattt? Of course the salary cap matters. Sure, you can have a solid starting 5 that make 10+ million each.
Good luck finding a bench....

 

[VF21]

I just read that Rudy Gay became the 1st player since Shaq to score 30+ points on 60+ FG% with 1 turnover or less with 3 different teams.

I don't what that means, but it sounds pretty cool

Oh noes. We'd better get rid of him as soon as possible. We can't have him showing up our newest part-owner.

 

[VF21]

Kings were disgustingly dirty when they got rid of Webber, Peja, Vlade and Christie.
The Maloofs were so cheap and stupid that it's beyond words...

Hwwwwwhattt? Of course the salary cap matters. Sure, you can have a solid starting 5 that make 10+ million each.
Good luck finding a bench....

That is the most idiotic thing you've said yet, and that's saying something. You're about one asinine post away from winning the coveted bus ticket.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Bibby stayed.
Christie got traded for Cuttino Mobley and left the league shortly thereafter.
Webber got traded and was never the same.
Vlade was the only one whose price we wouldn't match. He signed instead with the Lakers but, because of back problems, did virtually NOTHING until he retired.
Peja was traded for Artest and - guess what - was never as good as he was with the Kings. He was plagued by injuries and although there were flashes of the brilliance he once had, he was just never the same.

It wasn't "contract extensions that were out of reach of the salary cap" that broke up our best team. It was injuries and age.

You're not dealing with kids here. You're dealing with fans who KNOW their Kings history.

The Kings had one more year in them.
No reason to trade Christie or Peja. Peja still ended up being better than "Meta World Peace" that's for sure. He and Paul led Hornets to the playoffs and they actually had a good chance but Paul was still too inexperienced then and David West was too selfish which cost them from advancing further.
Stojakovic was plagued with back problems though which led to an early exit out of the NBA.
Isn't that disgusting that we chose not to resign our legend for another year whose number we retired because of back problems lol
Disgusting business
Same with Webber.

Kings would have been a nobody franchise without those players. I think they deserved more respect.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

That is the most idiotic thing you've said yet, and that's saying something. You're about one asinine post away from winning the coveted bus ticket.

Are you by some chance related to the Maloofs?

 

[Tetsujin]

EDIT: Also, you seem to forget that the 2004 Kings roster of Bibby, Christie, Webber, Vlade and Peja probably had the best team chemistry in basketball or sports history!
Even then, there was no way of keeping that squad together because guess what...they all wanted certain contract extensions that were out of reach of the salary cap and that was the beginning of the end.

Uhh no. That team fell apart because its bonafide star blew out his knee in horrific fashion and Christie and Vlade both got really old really fast. To say that that team fell apart because of their contracts is straight up ignorant and just plain dumb.

 

[Gary]

Unfortunately, bringing in Rudy Gay dampened our future. Sure, we'll win some big games this season and everything will be fun and dandy (still no playoffs) and then when Rudy Gay leaves, what are we left with?? Nothing.

You do understand how the game of basketball works, right? How could bringing in a better player than we had dampen our future? Because the young guys aren't playing? Because you think he's going to ask for too much? Because getting better requires getting better players. We didn't have any SFs on the team worth a damn until we got Rudy. So it's a HUGE upgrade, and if we can have him stay after next year then all the better. If not then we will look at trading his HUGE ending contract next year.

We wouldn't be left with nothing. Not sure why you are even complaining in one of these threads, and I have no idea if you know a thing about how a basketball team is run, but ok..

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Uhh no. That team fell apart because its bonafide star blew out his knee in horrific fashion and Christie and Vlade both got really old really fast. To say that that team fell apart because of their contracts is straight up ignorant and just plain dumb.

The Kings had the best record in the West without Webber. You might want to recheck your stats. In fact, the Kings played better that year when Webber blew out his knee than all the previous years they spent together when Brad Miller took his place.
I've just never seen worse business than that. Kings went from a playoff team to a nobody in a span of 1 year.
There is a reason why the maloofs almost went bankrupt...

 

[Gary]

Are you by some chance related to the Maloofs?

WAY below the belt with that one.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

You do understand how the game of basketball works, right? How could bringing in a better player than we had dampen our future? Because the young guys aren't playing? Because you think he's going to ask for too much? Because getting better requires getting better players. We didn't have any SFs on the team worth a damn until we got Rudy. So it's a HUGE upgrade, and if we can have him stay after next year then all the better. If not then we will look at trading his HUGE ending contract next year.

We wouldn't be left with nothing. Not sure why you are even complaining in one of these threads, and I have no idea if you know a think about how a basketball team is run, but ok..

Had we not gotten Rudy Gay, our chances of drafting a Wiggins, Parker or Embiid would have been much better for the future of this team. We would have been practically guaranteed a top 5 pick which would have been a future NBA superstar. Rudy Gay has always been borderline great/superstar. He's a great player now but one not worth price tag. I highly doubt he'll take a huge pay cut 1 half years time to remain with the Kings because of "team chemistry"

 

[Uncia03]

Kings were disgustingly dirty when they got rid of Webber, Peja, Vlade and Christie.
The Maloofs were so cheap and stupid that it's beyond words...

Hwwwwwhattt? Of course the salary cap matters. Sure, you can have a solid starting 5 that make 10+ million each.
Good luck finding a bench....

I don't even know what you're talking about now.

You said "they all wanted certain contract extensions that were out of reach of the salary cap and that was the beginning of the end." which is blatantly false.
Then you follow that up by saying that the 'Kings were disgustingly dirty' which I don't even know what that means and follow it up with the Maloofs were cheap.

None of that has anything to do with Rudy Gay and your assertion that his great play is somehow going to hurt the Kings.
You fear 'he'll be older and he'll have less motivation' if we sign him to a contract extension but that is a fear that you have with absolutely no rational basis. Sure anyone can speculate, but it seems to me that you forget that Gay is only 27 years old and if we do extend him he won't even be 29 years of age which is well in his prime.

So do you stop giving up on NBA players when they reach the old age of 29 because I certainly don't.

Also as I've already mentioned, Rudy has already gotten paid. His next contract will be less than his current one because the league now knows he can't be a #1 guy. That means that all this talk you have of 'He isn't worth 19 million' is true, which is why his next contract won't be as large.

 

[fanop]

Um...wow.

If Rudy and Cousins continue to develop chemistry and more importantly start winning then more than likely Rudy will re-sign with us. He already got his major pay-day. His next contract is going to be less than the current one. And for all practicable purposes...once you go into the Luxury Tax area, you might as well go big because being 5 million over means that you lose a lot from a salary perspecitve but probably don't have the talent to justify being in the Luxury tax. Since we can re-sign our own players as needed, Rudy isn't going to be the one to prevent us from moving forward.
We just need to get our roster set before getting into the Luxury tax. Once we get our guys, it will be up to Randive to pay them. Considering how well Rudy has been playing next to Cousins it would be foolish not to continue to build on what looks to be a phenominal 1-2 duo.

I'm doubting he signs with us, unless we throw money at him. Why would a star(still in his prime) resign with a non playoff team? There aren't too many cases of that happening. I can only see a possibility of him resigning with us if we become a playoff team next year. That would require us to get a starting PG, defensive 4, and wing scorers. It would also require the whole team to have chemistry, defense, and effort.

Cousins and Gay aren't a 1-2 duo... They're just very good scorers. With all that being said....


GAY WILL RESIGN WITH THE KINGS. We will be an 8th seeder in the 2014-2015 year.

 

[Tetsujin]

The Kings had the best record in the West without Webber. You might want to recheck your stats. In fact, the Kings played better that year when Webber blew out his knee than all the previous years they spent together when Brad Miller took his place.
I've just never seen worse business than that. Kings went from a playoff team to a nobody in a span of 1 year.
There is a reason why the maloofs almost went bankrupt...

Yeah, and the reason was George Maloof

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

WAY below the belt with that one.

Well, he/she got on my case for bashing the maloofs for bad business.
It would only make sense if he/she was related to the maloofs, no?

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Anyhow, I seem to be in the minority here about Gay so I'll just drop it.

We'll see what happens with this team come 2 years if we lose that top 5 draft pick.

 

[VF21]

The Kings had one more year in them.
No reason to trade Christie or Peja. Peja still ended up being better than "Meta World Peace" that's for sure. He and Paul led Hornets to the playoffs and they actually had a good chance but Paul was still too inexperienced then and David West was too selfish which cost them from advancing further.
Stojakovic was plagued with back problems though which led to an early exit out of the NBA.
Isn't that disgusting that we chose not to resign our legend for another year whose number we retired because of back problems lol
Disgusting business
Same with Webber.

Kings would have been a nobody franchise without those players. I think they deserved more respect.

Wow. Just wow.

 

[KingdomeCome]

Sackings2002nachampions disapoints me. I am a kings fan. I have a beyond logic optimistic perspective for the team I love. If you want to live in the past leave us out of it. I am excited about the future and potential talent of the kings in a way that i have not been since the fading magic of the 2005 playoffs. Im done griping about what should have been. We have talent and potential. We have an owner who want to spend money to make this team better. We have a gm who is not hamstringged and is taking risks and trying to improve the team. Rudy is a great talent and has incredible potential. He is really showing us what he is made of and I cannot understand anyone who is disappointed in his performance. If you really think we were better off before the trade feel free to root for the combined 20 min per game the players we gave up are contributing on the raptors bench. Go kings.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Optimism doesn't have anything to do with passion for the Kings. I am optimistic as well. However, I will be less optimistic if we get stuck with an average ball club who is not a bottom tier team nor a playoff contender. I hope the Kings win the NBA Championship with Rudy Gay some day.

However, it doesn't seem all too feasible to me when we look at it from a business perspective there is a lot at stake. I just have a feeling Gay will have a short stay here. I could be wrong but if that happens then the Kings got screwed over and so did all of us fans.

 

[Gary]

Had we not gotten Rudy Gay, our chances of drafting a Wiggins, Parker or Embiid would have been much better for the future of this team. We would have been practically guaranteed a top 5 pick which would have been a future NBA superstar. Rudy Gay has always been borderline great/superstar. He's a great player now but one not worth price tag. I highly doubt he'll take a huge pay cut 1 half years time to remain with the Kings because of "team chemistry"

Oh good god.. you're one of THOSE people. You do know how long people have been saying "when we get such and such in the draft we will be able to build our future team". You need veterans. You know this right? Unless you get REALLY lucky you wont find players that can change a team within a couple years only by drafting.

And Rudy is NOT going to be asking for more than we can pay him. No team would give him anything close to the contract he has now. And if we feel we cannot resign him then why would we end up with nothing? I don't get why you said that because he's a HUGE contract that would be ending. There are a bunch of FAs in 2015 that teams would love to have. That ending salary with worth a lot to a lot of teams. I highly doubt our front office wouldn't get player(s) in return.

 

[Uncia03]

I'm doubting he signs with us, unless we throw money at him. Why would a star(still in his prime) resign with a non playoff team? There aren't too many cases of that happening. I can only see a possibility of him resigning with us if we become a playoff team next year. That would require us to get a starting PG, defensive 4, and wing scorers. It would also require the whole team to have chemistry, defense, and effort.

Cousins and Gay aren't a 1-2 duo... They're just very good scorers. With all that being said....


GAY WILL RESIGN WITH THE KINGS. We will be an 8th seeder in the 2014-2015 year.

Cousins.
Cousins.
Cousins.

I think you underestimate how good Cousins is, and how easy Cousins makes life for Rudy.
I do believe that the winning will come as soon as PDA finishes working the roster, and once it does, I have little doubt that Rudy will re-sign with us. Why? Because of Cousins.
Also to state that Cousins and Gay aren't a 1-2 duo makes no sense. You've got the best big in the game and a top 5-10 SF in the game. Both of their games really translate well with each other. We've got a thread regarding 1-2 punch combinations and Cousins/Gay is somewhere at the top.

 

[Gary]

Optimism doesn't have anything to do with passion for the Kings. I am optimistic as well. However, I will be less optimistic if we get stuck with an average ball club who is not a bottom tier team nor a playoff contender. I hope the Kings win the NBA Championship with Rudy Gay some day.

However, it doesn't seem all too feasible to me when we look at it from a business perspective there is a lot at stake. I just have a feeling Gay will have a short stay here. I could be wrong but if that happens then the Kings got screwed over and so did all of us fans.

Again, no we wouldn't get screwed over.. He's a huge ending contract that a bunch of teams would be licking their chops to get in order to sign a FA in 2015. There are quite a few elite level FAs in 2015. So why again would we be disappointed? Do you honestly believe our FO would let him walk for nothing if he wasn't intending on resigning?

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Oh good god.. you're one of THOSE people. You do know how long people have been saying "when we get such and such in the draft we will be able to build our future team". You need veterans. You know this right? Unless you get REALLY lucky you wont find players that can change a team within a couple years only by drafting.

And Rudy is NOT going to be asking for more than we can pay him. No team would give him anything close to the contract he has now. And if we feel we cannot resign him then why would we end up with nothing? I don't get why you said that because he's a HUGE contract that would be ending. There are a bunch of FAs in 2015 that teams would love to have. That ending salary with worth a lot to a lot of teams. I highly doubt our front office wouldn't get player(s) in return.

It's the most hyped draft since the Lebron era. As I mentioned before, if we acquire a Parker or Wiggins or Embiid we're looking at a potential future hall of famer. A player who can single handily lead the team to the playoffs and with the help of Cousins and a few veterans can actually win the whole dang thing. Veterans come cheap by the way. That should not be a worry. Veterans will find you like a Garnett or Pierce or Ray Allen. If they see you have potential, they will flock over. If you only have Cousins and Rudy Gay, you won't get too many quality vets for cheap...Rudy will only be 29. He won't be making 19 but some team will surely pay him 15 million. He would theoretically still have a solid 4 years considering his health.