Hello Dylan Cardwell

Capt. Factorial said:
Sure, and Michael Porter Jr. for SGA straight up is doable, too. Think it's on the table?
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Do I think to get Kuminga and send out DeRozan the Kings would add Cardwell ….. yeah I do. I think Raynaud is the better player and Cardwell won’t start over him. Ultimately you are going to have to choose. Better to choose one now and leverage the other into a wing.
 
sactowndog said:
Do I think to get Kuminga and send out DeRozan the Kings would add Cardwell ….. yeah I do. I think Raynaud is the better player and Cardwell won’t start over him. Ultimately you are going to have to choose. Better to choose one now and leverage the other into a wing.
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What kind of craziness is this? They don't have to choose. It's not even clear yet that either Raynaud or Cardwell are full-time NBA starter material. Cardwell, in particular, will not cost the Kings enough money to worry about any kind of crowding in their frontcourt rotation. Assuming Domas gets moved before the trade deadline or in the offseason, there will be plenty of available minutes so that Cardwell could theoretically come off the bench.
 
I'm 50/50 on Maxime and Cardwell. But I'd like to keep developing both before we make a decision. Max is definitely smoother offensively, but man having a big like Cardwell who dominates the paint defensively is so nice. He's playing 19mpg in his rookie season and already averaging 7rbs and 1.6 blocks. Per36 of 3.1 blocks a game. The Kings haven't had that type of guy.. Ever.

Neither guy is young, but I think you keep both and try and develop them. There's a world where you just keep a 2 headed center rotation and they both split minutes.
 
Padrino said:
What kind of craziness is this? They don't have to choose. It's not even clear yet that either Raynaud or Cardwell are full-time NBA starter material. Cardwell, in particular, will not cost the Kings enough money to worry about any kind of crowding in their frontcourt rotation. Assuming Domas gets moved before the trade deadline or in the offseason, there will be plenty of available minutes so that Cardwell could theoretically come off the bench.
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He remains my favorite poster on this website. Finds anyway he can to bash Monte on any subject in any way he can, but then when he finally has to give his own opinion... its takes like this. Constant comedic relief
 
Padrino said:
What kind of craziness is this? They don't have to choose. It's not even clear yet that either Raynaud or Cardwell are full-time NBA starter material. Cardwell, in particular, will not cost the Kings enough money to worry about any kind of crowding in their frontcourt rotation. Assuming Domas gets moved before the trade deadline or in the offseason, there will be plenty of available minutes so that Cardwell could theoretically come off the bench.
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I think we end up 7 or 8 in the draft and our best player available will be a guard. Wings are hard to get. Back-up centers can be found in the 2nd Round. So if it costs me Cardwell to get Kuminga I do it right away.
 
sactowndog said:
I think we end up 7 or 8 in the draft and our best player available will be a guard. Wings are hard to get. Back-up centers can be found in the 2nd Round. So if it costs me Cardwell to get Kuminga I do it right away.
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Why would Dylan Cardwell, in all of his rawness, appeal to Golden State, who are likely feeling pressured to get off Kuminga so they can acquire a veteran win-now piece or two that actually helps them compete for more than a play-in exit? The Kings have no need to ditch Cardwell, and it's very unlikely that he would push any deal the Kings might put together for Kuminga over the top.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
I'm 50/50 on Maxime and Cardwell. But I'd like to keep developing both before we make a decision. Max is definitely smoother offensively, but man having a big like Cardwell who dominates the paint defensively is so nice. He's playing 19mpg in his rookie season and already averaging 7rbs and 1.6 blocks. Per36 of 3.1 blocks a game. The Kings haven't had that type of guy.. Ever.

Neither guy is young, but I think you keep both and try and develop them. There's a world where you just keep a 2 headed center rotation and they both split minutes.
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The great news is we dont have to make a decision anytime soon. Both guys are developing nicely and have been bright spots this year. Exactly what we want from young bigs
 
Turgenev said:
I don't get why you have to choose. Cardwell was undrafted, he fouls a lot, doesn't have much offence. Like him, but why does he need to start?
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That's the great thing about a player like Cardwell, he doesn't have to. He doesn't even need to average certain minutes. Rebounders and defenders do that whether they play 5 minutes or 50 minutes. Maxime and Cardwell look like starting material based on mostly need if not only. By next season if the Kings clean up the vet mess they'll know pretty quickly who they are without someone like Westbrook spoon feeding them.

The concern with someone like Maxime is the same concern brought up for a few years with Keegan, too much of his offense right now is being generated by someone else. Keegan was built into being a role player/movement shooter. Now that they are looking for more out of him it's been a rough transition. The very same could happen to Maxime since more than 80% of his offense (similar to Keegan) is dependent on someone else creating that shot. Them being older as rookies will only make any transitions back out of a built in role tougher.
 
Padrino said:
Why would Dylan Cardwell, in all of his rawness, appeal to Golden State, who are likely feeling pressured to get off Kuminga so they can acquire a veteran win-now piece or two that actually helps them compete for more than a play-in exit? The Kings have no need to ditch Cardwell, and it's very unlikely that he would push any deal the Kings might put together for Kuminga over the top.
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Because they have Post who is not even a Euroleague level C back up and TJD is another undersized big in the long line they have had who fizzled out after his rookie season, Caldwell imo is a upgrade over both just cause of defense and size. If I were GSW i would be looking for a cheap 6*10 plus PF/C who can defend the rim.
 
Wow kings fans. Some of you just don’t get it. You need a player like Cardwell to dominate on the defensive end.especially a big. We have one now for Pennie’s on the dollar. Giving up young players is dumb but giving up ones that can already play on the floor is even worse. PS..Cardwell is already a better defender than Keegan on defense.
 
iowamcnabb said:
What would it take for Dylan to become a starter in this league? Clearly a long shot but his defense and rebounding is good enough right now (if he could cut his fouling in half).

Is 8 points 11 boards and elite defense out of the question for him?
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Rudy Gobert is a starter with no offensive game. Dylan's defense is so good that he could honestly carve out a similar career as a high impact role player.

Cardwell's energy and the joy he brings to defense is also a potential culture shifter for this team. Obviously Keegan takes pride in his defense, but he's not exactly the hype man Dylan is. Ship out the Iso-bros and we just might start putting the clamps on teams next season.
 
iowamcnabb said:
What would it take for Dylan to become a starter in this league? Clearly a long shot but his defense and rebounding is good enough right now (if he could cut his fouling in half).

Is 8 points 11 boards and elite defense out of the question for him?
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He's got to get his FT shooting to passable (70ish% range) to be a viable closer, but he's honestly pretty close with the actual scoring stuff. Last 16 games, since he's joined the rotation:

20.7 MPG

10.4% USG
59.1% TS
5.4 PPG


A couple upticks in USG, TS and FT% and he's right there. He doesn't need a ton to justify him being on the floor
 
I think Dylan concentrating more on how to defend without fouling may be more important than his offense at this point. I'm not sure if he'll ever be able to defend the way he does without fouling because he doesn't have the genetics of a Gobert or Wemby where he can block shots while keeping his body 5ft away from the guy he's covering.

Either way he's clearly the 2nd best center on the team and it's not even close right now. He's also shown he can play the 4 and share the same space with Domas without the offense falling apart. Small sample size and teams will adjust so we'll see how it goes moving forward. I'm just glad we have someone to keep things entertaining for us at the moment. Can you imagine how boring these games would be if Eubanks was still playing instead of Cardwell?
 
ESP47 said:
I think Dylan concentrating more on how to defend without fouling may be more important than his offense at this point. I'm not sure if he'll ever be able to defend the way he does without fouling because he doesn't have the genetics of a Gobert or Wemby where he can block shots while keeping his body 5ft away from the guy he's covering.

Either way he's clearly the 2nd best center on the team and it's not even close right now. He's also shown he can play the 4 and share the same space with Domas without the offense falling apart. Small sample size and teams will adjust so we'll see how it goes moving forward. I'm just glad we have someone to keep things entertaining for us at the moment. Can you imagine how boring these games would be if Eubanks was still playing instead of Cardwell?
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Just on pure size, Alonzo Mourning is a closer comparison
 
ESP47 said:
I think Dylan concentrating more on how to defend without fouling may be more important than his offense at this point. I'm not sure if he'll ever be able to defend the way he does without fouling because he doesn't have the genetics of a Gobert or Wemby where he can block shots while keeping his body 5ft away from the guy he's covering.

Either way he's clearly the 2nd best center on the team and it's not even close right now. He's also shown he can play the 4 and share the same space with Domas without the offense falling apart. Small sample size and teams will adjust so we'll see how it goes moving forward. I'm just glad we have someone to keep things entertaining for us at the moment. Can you imagine how boring these games would be if Eubanks was still playing instead of Cardwell?
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His growth from SL has honestly been staggering if we're being honest. He legitimately looked like the worst NBA offensive player in history for most of the summer. He's now shown some vastly improved touch around the rim and our ORtg with him on the floor in a 300+ minute sample is over 5 points better, so something is going right when he's out there. Or at the very least, he's not cratering the offense.
 
The_Jamal said:
His growth from SL has honestly been staggering if we're being honest. He legitimately looked like the worst NBA offensive player in history for most of the summer. He's now shown some vastly improved touch around the rim and our ORtg with him on the floor in a 300+ minute sample is over 5 points better, so something is going right when he's out there. Or at the very least, he's not cratering the offense.
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We'll see if the organization values this, after his two way contract is done. They never seemed to with Keon Ellis, when the stats showed for two seasons that they were much better with him on the floor. It's hard to fix incompetent leadership, when it starts at the top
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
We'll see if the organization values this, after his two way contract is done. They never seemed to with Keon Ellis, when the stats showed for two seasons that they were much better with him on the floor. It's hard to fix incompetent leadership, when it starts at the top
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No offense and I like Keon but defensive big > defensive small.
 
Jdbraver137 said:
No offense and I like Keon but defensive big > defensive small.
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You keep saying this as if there's anything preventing the Kings from keeping both a defensive big and a defensive small. What must be done on the trade market will ultimately be done, but in the meantime, why should we pretend like Cardwell/Ellis are mutually exclusive? Maybe it's because Kings fans are so unused to the team having multiple plus defenders, but both Cardwell and Ellis make the team better when they're on the floor.
 
Padrino said:
You keep saying this as if there's anything preventing the Kings from keeping both a defensive big and a defensive small. What must be done on the trade market will ultimately be done, but in the meantime, why should we pretend like Cardwell/Ellis are mutually exclusive? Maybe it's because Kings fans are so unused to the team having multiple plus defenders, but both Cardwell and Ellis make the team better when they're on the floor.
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You would think that this is just easy common sense,....but I guess it isn't anymore.

Now everyone imagine if we had a defensive guard, wing, and big on the floor at the same time. Are we allowed to try this? 😆
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
You would think that this is just easy common sense,....but I guess it isn't anymore.

Now everyone imagine if we had a defensive guard, wing, and big on the floor at the same time. Are we allowed to try this? 😆
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Stay with me here. What if we put TWO defensive guards, a defensive wing and a defensive big on the floor? Think of the possibilities! (like not being a 2 decade long embarrassment on defense)
 
The_Jamal said:
Stay with me here. What if we put TWO defensive guards, a defensive wing and a defensive big on the floor? Think of the possibilities! (like not being a 2 decade long embarrassment on defense)
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and maybe later, everyone on the floor would give consistent defensive effort....and if they stopped, the organization would have them take a seat on the bench or look to replace them. Crazy talk, I tell you
 
Golden state is in no position to be demanding or telling the Kings who and what needs to be included in a trade for Kuminga. Feel free to keep dealing with that mess if you’d like
 
gunks said:
Rudy Gobert is a starter with no offensive game. Dylan's defense is so good that he could honestly carve out a similar career as a high impact role player.

Cardwell's energy and the joy he brings to defense is also a potential culture shifter for this team. Obviously Keegan takes pride in his defense, but he's not exactly the hype man Dylan is. Ship out the Iso-bros and we just might start putting the clamps on teams next season.
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couple of other players with no offensive games that were starters are DeAndre Jordan, Drummond, Nic Claxton, Capela and to an extent Ausar Thompson. those are centers I mentioned but context and roster personnel matters a great deal
 
Caccia said:
Dylan Cardwell has this to say:

"In college I averaged 5 points per game, I rebounded the ball five times per game, I averaged like 1.6 blocks per game. No one thought I was an NBA player. I'm not supposed to be here. I'm living my childhood dream. This is a dream come true for me."

https://www.hoopshype.com/story/spo...ed-5-points-per-game-i-rebounded/88297255007/
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In his interview, I found it interesting that he implied that getting rebounds against who he played in college, was more challenging than the NBA has been. There is higher intensity for consistently boxing out and team rebounding for a lot of those teams.
 
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kingsboi said:
couple of other players with no offensive games that were starters are DeAndre Jordan, Drummond, Nic Claxton, Capela and to an extent Ausar Thompson. those are centers I mentioned but context and roster personnel matters a great deal
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I wouldn’t say no offense, now that I think of it. But no scoring. He can still set screens and rebound. Though at least twice a game he has the ball where I’d like home to try and shoot it. Can’t get better if you don’t try.
 
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