Hawes at Power Forward

[ockingsfan]

I don't think that spencer hawes will be as big of a bust as many believe he will be in the NBA... i can see him filling out to be a Andrew Bogut or Vlade Divac type big man... meaning a 14-16pt/game and 8-10reb/game and 3 assist/game player in time...

Spencer Hawes is a very talented offensive player... He has a lot of low post moves and can use his left or right hand... whatever he lacks on the defensive end, he can balance that out with his offense.... hopefully he will get stronger and improve on his defense...

as for his rebounding, he was a very good rebounder in high school, but did not show it in his one year at Washington... there is no reason to believe that he can't become an above average rebounder (i.e. 8-10 reb/game) in time...

now alot of people scoff at the idea of miller playing power forward... which with his slowing down so much, probably isn't the best idea.... but how about playing Hawes at Power Forward and Brad Miller at his usual center position...

this brings back shades of 2003-2004 when Vlade was the center (now Miller will play that facilitator role) and Miller was the Power Forward (now Hawes will fill that role).... Hawes is quicker than miller was back in 2003-04.... remember in 2003-04 with Vlade at center and miller at power forward, the kings had the best record in the nba until webber returned from his injury that year... with the new 2007-08 Kings, Miller would be the Center and Hawes can play the Power Forward....

if the kings don't make any significant moves this off season, the starting line up could look like this....

PF Spencer Hawes SAR KT
SF Ron Artest Garcia
C Brad Miller J. Williams
SG Kevin Martin Douby
PG Mike Bibby Salmons Price

 

[Jerichoholic]

Actually I don't think moving Miller to PF is a bad idea, he has seemed most comfortable in that spot in the past and having another 7 footer next to him could take pressure off of him when it comes to defense and rebounding as it did when Vlade was around. Remember that Miller averaged 15 points, 11 rebounds, and 5 assists while playing PF.

I also don't think it would be a good idea to move a rookie to a position that he isn't used to playing. It's hard to find true centers these days and when Hawes fills out he could be 7'1" and 285 pounds which is true center size.

My guess is that the Kings start Miller at center and bring Hawes off the bench, especially with the complaining you'll get from guys like Thomas and Abdur-Rahim for lack of playing time. But the best thing to do IMO is to start Miller at PF and Hawes at C, especially since we're going through a rebuild minutes for Hawes is more important than for the other guys.

 

[ockingsfan]

Actually I don't think moving Miller to PF is a bad idea, he has seemed most comfortable in that spot in the past and having another 7 footer next to him could take pressure off of him when it comes to defense and rebounding as it did when Vlade was around. Remember that Miller averaged 15 points, 11 rebounds, and 5 assists while playing PF.

I also don't think it would be a good idea to move a rookie to a position that he isn't used to playing. It's hard to find true centers these days and when Hawes fills out he could be 7'1" and 285 pounds which is true center size.

My guess is that the Kings start Miller at center and bring Hawes off the bench, especially with the complaining you'll get from guys like Thomas and Abdur-Rahim for lack of playing time. But the best thing to do IMO is to start Miller at PF and Hawes at C, especially since we're going through a rebuild minutes for Hawes is more important than for the other guys.

the main problem with Miller at Power Forward now is that he has slowed considerably since the 2003-04 season... i would say that a miller (now) vs vlade (then) foot race would be too close to call... A plodding Miller can not keep up with the Nowitzki's, Stodemire's, KG, Brands of the West...

now a younger, quicker Hawes may have a chance against these Western conference Power Forwards... it is easier to teach a young pup such as Hawes a new postion than trying to get Miller to change his slow plodding ways....

and Hawes can still play some center, the postions can be come interchangeable with the right system in place... many player play both center and PF, including Bogut, Gasol, Duncan, Kwame Brown, Amere Stodemire....

 

[uptempo-kings]

hawes is a center period, he could try and play pf but thats even harder then playing center guys at the 4 can post up, shoot jumpers, drive to the hoop, quick feet, good ball handling skills which most centers can not do and hawes has very poor defense in which he needs to polish so, i cannot see him being a factor as a power forward, i can't really see him being a dominant center neither.

 

[Gary]

Actually I don't think moving Miller to PF is a bad idea, he has seemed most comfortable in that spot in the past and having another 7 footer next to him could take pressure off of him when it comes to defense and rebounding as it did when Vlade was around. Remember that Miller averaged 15 points, 11 rebounds, and 5 assists while playing PF.

I also don't think it would be a good idea to move a rookie to a position that he isn't used to playing. It's hard to find true centers these days and when Hawes fills out he could be 7'1" and 285 pounds which is true center size.

My guess is that the Kings start Miller at center and bring Hawes off the bench, especially with the complaining you'll get from guys like Thomas and Abdur-Rahim for lack of playing time. But the best thing to do IMO is to start Miller at PF and Hawes at C, especially since we're going through a rebuild minutes for Hawes is more important than for the other guys.

Miller can't play PF anymore. Maybe a few years ago, but not anymore. He would get used, and abused playing PF now.

 

[uptempo-kings]

Miller can't play PF anymore. Maybe a few years ago, but not anymore. He would get used, and abused playing PF now.

you're probably right, so what makes ppl think hawes can be more effective, the west is a beast, and hawes will get schooled, just play him at center no need to put him at PF.

 

[PurpleHaze]

you're probably right, so what makes ppl think hawes can be more effective, the west is a beast, and hawes will get schooled, just play him at center no need to put him at PF.

I agree play Hawes at center - that is when he plays. Everything is pointing towards him getting only about 10-15 minutes on any given night as a rookie. Of course, the 19 year old 7 footer who is apparently still growing could make a big splash and get more minutes, but otherwise it's the usual off the bench and assorted garbage time.

 

[Gary]

you're probably right, so what makes ppl think hawes can be more effective, the west is a beast, and hawes will get schooled, just play him at center no need to put him at PF.

I want to see Hawes behind Miller for a year, than take the reigns in the 2008-2009 season. Actually want to see Martin, Garcia, and Hawes together mroe than anything, so they can develop together. Bibby is OK as well with them fior a year or two. But I want the core of Hawes, Williams, Douby, Garcia, and Martin to play together for extended periods.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Its WAY too early to start even specualting on where and how to play Hawes. Just too many factors involved: Will SAR be availalbe? Will KT still be on the team? Will Artest be on the team? How will Hawes stack up against Justin Williams in preseason? Does New Coach Guy have a particualr style of paly he wants to go with and how do the respective palyers fit into that plan. Let's revist this thread in about 3 months.

 

[fnordius]

Whatever Brad's physical capabilities these days, I wouldn't want to see Brad and Hawes on the court at the same time, for the same reason I wouldn't want Bibby and Acie Law to be sharing the backcourt: we're talking about players who have very similar strengths and weaknesses, rather than complimentary ones. If we're going to start cloning players, Francisco and Justin would seem like our best candidates, the others all have weaknesses that really shouldn't be duplicated. Multiple Brads = world's slowest team, multiple Ronnies = world's smallest team, multiple Rons = world's least sane team, etc. It's a road best left untravelled, I think.

 

[Bricklayer]

It doesn't matter which one of those guys you call the PF, pairing them is just almost comically slow and unathletic at this point.

 

[ParniValjak]

It doesn't matter which one of those guys you call the PF, pairing them is just almost comically slow and unathletic at this point.

Word.

And besides that, I don't think Hawes will get anywhere near the minutes that people here are projecting. I suspect he gets 15-20 mpg max.

 

[piksi]

I don't think that spencer hawes will be as big of a bust as many believe he will be in the NBA... i can see him filling out to be a Andrew Bogut or Vlade Divac type big man... meaning a 14-16pt/game and 8-10reb/game and 3 assist/game player in time...

Vlade >>>> Bogut so that they can't be in the same sentence. We would be lucky if this kid ever gets to be as good as Vlade.

And almost forgot - this kid is a "project" and if he starts it means a great pick next season and lots of sucking this coming season. Maybe this time we will suck the right way.

 

[Howard]

Miller can't play PF anymore. Maybe a few years ago, but not anymore. He would get used, and abused playing PF now.

What do we have to lose besides time. the kings are gonna suck for the next 2-3 years so why not try a combo of miller and hawes on the floor at the same time at this point. Im not trying to be negative im just saying try it and see how it works maybe we can make it work effectively sorry its the optimist in me

 

[VF21]

It doesn't matter which one of those guys you call the PF, pairing them is just almost comically slow and unathletic at this point.

And almost a textbook way to guarantee a few lins.

 

[Kingster]

I can't bear the thought of Miller and Hawes on the floor together. Put Bibby in there with Salmons and you might have the most painful lineup that I can possibly deal with. Frankly, I am a Kings fan; I do like Hawes; but if I see that lineup I'm going to have to turn off the channel. I'm not a masochist.

 

[Jespher]

Put Hawes at center where he belongs and give major power forward minutes to the most athletic big on our team, Justin Williams. This kid is athletic and quick enough to keep up with any of the west bigs and with the inside scoring and passing of Hawes this could be a great developing post tandem for Saramento going forward. Bring Brad and Kenny off the bench, Brad for offense, Kenny for whatever defense he has left.

Don't forget that Artest is the most effective scoring down low too, so that would be two nice post scorers to open shots for K$, Bibby, and Douby (as long as the roster currently assembled stands.)

Given the direction of the franchise there is absolutely no reason not to go young and develop players for the future.

Could this be the Kings starting Lineup in 2 years?

Quincy Douby
Kevin Martin
Francisco Garcia
Justin Williams
Spencer Hawes

 

[Bricklayer]

Could this be the Kings starting Lineup in 2 years?

Quincy Douby
Kevin Martin
Francisco Garcia
Justin Williams
Spencer Hawes

If it is we are probably in a lot of trouble. Just being young is not the same thing as being good enough to start in the NBA. And if we haven't acquired better pieces than those in the next couple of years..there was a song by a group named Bowling for Soup called "1985"...I really don't want to go back there.