Grades v. Suns 04/16

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Bricklayer

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Evans ( C ) -- quiet game for Mo on a night when we could really have used his mega-athletic boost. Of course one night after I call his 3pt shooting Bruce Bowenesque (all in the corners) he comes out and hits one from the angle, and then misses the corner three -- hmmm, wonder if he reads these grades? ;) But didn't do much else, and with the exception of one nice play on Stoudemire, was invisible out there as the flying circus tried to tear down the rim. Did continue the Kings SF tradition of causing Q Richardson to play terribly without actually doing anything special on defense.
Thomas ( B- ) -- played a pretty decent first half, and snatched some strong defensive boards. But was unable to match the prolific Suns frontcourt who already had 31pts at halftime. Showed a little energy in the second half, but qucikly got frustrated and was invisible once again as an interior defender. Numbers were fine, but impact was minimal. His final shot of the game really kind of summed things up, as we were falling down by 20-something in the third and he just kind of threw up an ugly off balance one on one jumper in frustration.
Skinner ( D+ ) -- did a solid job on the glass in the first half, but a fish out of water on offense. Just not prolific enough to keep up in a game where everybody on both teams was scoring everytime down the floor. And on defense totally unable to prevent a dunkfest of epic proportions -- our starting center got outscored by their starting center 38-2!!! O-U-C-H. And ti was dunk after dunk after dunk inside as we got creamed once more in the paint. Given that sort of wipeout could go lower with this grade -- certainly wasn't effective at all. But 7rebs in 22min is something, and this is still Brian Skinner we are talking about. You don't expect him to win the matchup wiht Amare. You do however expect him to at least be competitive. Not tonight.
Mobley ( D- ) -- had a very quiet first half, and at this point we've sung that tune often enough that the second half explosion was not just expected, it was demanded. And so I waited for it to happen. And waited. And waited. And by the time I quit waiting we were down by 26 and Mobley had been pulled. Thought the F might be an overreaction, and I was trying to think of one thing, ANY thing, that Cat did this game to justify a higher mark. What was the redeeming characteristic to his game tonight? No energy. No shot. No assists. And not one spark of life for the entire evening. Just watching the game you would never have known he was in there. But finally found something -- played pretty decent defense on Nash in the first half, and kept him semi-contained. But that was IT. So I'll be kind to him and save him from the F. But we still would have been far better off starting Martin or House this time ot.
Bibby ( C- ) -- came out firing, and firing, and firing...and maybe firing too much in the first half. Took 13 first half shots, which was about twice as much as the next highest player (Mobley had 7), and maybe wasn't directing the offense as well as he could. Of course given the play of his fellow starters, maybe should be suing them for criminal non-support. Thomas was really the only one with any life, and he was clearly overmatched. So Mike took a few more shots in the second half, never mattered, and was pulled along with the rest of the starters as we were just getting whipped out there.
Williamson ( C ) -- active game, but kind of messy. Think he had three shots blocked, traveled -- spirit was willing but his groundbound game was ill suited to contending with the Suns' length up front.
Martin ( B+ ) -- gave us a very nice boost in the second quarter. In fact he and Tag probably were what kept us close in the first half, and even briefly had the lead there. Came in and looked smooth on offense, and did a respectable job on Nash on the other end of the floor as well. Quieted down in the second half, but still contributed in the extended garbagetime by grabbing a number of boards. Good game for the rookie on a night when we got very little from most of the main guns.
Songaila ( B ) -- hit a couple of jumpers in his second quarter stint, but was otherwise pretty quiet. But competed well after his return in the second half. Got popped in the eye at one point, and responded by attacking the rim with abandon. Admittedly most of his work was done against the Suns scrubs, and it was a low percentage, high shot total struggle for him in there. But he showed aggression and fight, and that was something sorely lacking from much of the team tonight.
Ostertag ( A- ) -- making his bid for a postseason spot. There can be no "A"s in a game like this, but Tag was probably the player of the game for us out there tonight. Really the only guy offering any resistance to the insistent inside attack, grabbed a bunch of boards, and did a nice job pasiing the ball as well. Was active. Quieted down as the garbagetime wore on, and maybe he got tired. But while the game was still on was one of the few players giving us any hope of staying in it.
House ( A- ) -- ok first half, but scored a lot of points in his extended second half stint -- really the entire 4th quarter was garbagetime, and Eddie dominated it. Guess it was the return to his old college haunts when he was a super-prolific college scorer. Anyway, looked good. But mostly against the Suns scrubs, and got a little too one on one scorer oriented there -- more of the classic Eddie House than the guy who has been smoothly running the offense these last few weeks. So ticking him down a bit since Voskul, Outlaw, McCarty, Shirley, Barbosa isn't exactly the lineup that matters with the Suns.
Daniels ( INC ) -- I will admit to bailing out on this one -- my attention was wandering by the time he got in the game, and while I saw him doa few things, I had no real feel for his grade, nor even a feeling of how to grade him at this point. So I'll bail, and just say that he displayed a solid feel for the game and ball handling.

Adelman ( B- ) -- well...we got punked tonight. Final score is really deceptive as it was much worse than that before the Suns called off the dogs -- particularly the BIG dog (Stoudemire). The starters collectively had very little, and it was really only by a strong first half stint fromt he bench that we were even in it for as long as we were. And Rick seemed content to just let it happen for the most part, until finally taking a nice strong stand in the mid-third. Liked what he did at that point, yanking ALL of the starters before it got historically embarrassing, and putting in the much more energetic bench and sticking with them the rest of the way. It was the right move, and maybe the only move to make at that point. Earlier in the game had experimented with trying to zone up the Suns, but went away from it and seemed to lose interest in really fighting for this one as a coach as much as his players did on the court. Did like the timing of the white flag however, and that's really why the grade is what it is. Maybe sent a message, certainly saved some legs from pointless wear and tear. And kept his guys from getting their butts handed to them any longer than absolutely necessary, possibly damaging morale as we head into the playoffs. Solid recognition from a guy who far too often plays the starters right through garbagetime.
 
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VF21

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Team grade...for the Suns...A

Team grade...for the Kings...INC. We cannot hope to compete with the true elite teams in the West with one returning starter and four replacements. It just ain't gonna happen. Without Peja and Brad in the lineup, we are doomed.
 
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If Suns gets an A, it better be a blowout (which it was). That would had sucked if they had an A game yet Kings still had a chance to win without some key players.

Some interesting stats:

Bibby played the most mins (26).

Bibby and Tag Tied with 5 assists.

Kings had 105 FGA but only made 40 (38%) while Suns had 87 FGA and made 43 (49%).

House lead in Scoring with 17 points!
 

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kgrichwine said:
You play with the team you have. Team grade: Low D-
Okay, fine. The team I saw tonight wasn't worthy of anything higher than an F. The starters pretty much stunk up the court. I thought I was being kind in not judging a mismatched bunch of guys who looked like they'd never played a game together in their lives.

P.S. Remember, this is just my assessment of the TEAM grade. This doesn't mean everyone deserved an F. It just meant the TEAM of the Sacramento Kings just wasn't out there. I don't know who those guys were, for the most part, but I do know one thing. I hope I don't see TEAM play like that again for a long, long time.
 
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ReinadelosReys said:
K-mart, Tag and House played well. As fas as everyone else, well Mike Bibby it best " it was embarrasing"
humilating..and ya know he had all his peeps there...:shakes head:

On a fun sidenote I just noted that GO quote in your sig and I nearly spit out my chocolate milk..I contained it for the most part..it did dribble down my chin a bit :D
 
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VF21 said:
Okay, fine. The team I saw tonight wasn't worthy of anything higher than an F. The starters pretty much stunk up the court. I thought I was being kind in not judging a mismatched bunch of guys who looked like they'd never played a game together in their lives.

P.S. Remember, this is just my assessment of the TEAM grade. This doesn't mean everyone deserved an F. It just meant the TEAM of the Sacramento Kings just wasn't out there. I don't know who those guys were, for the most part, but I do know one thing. I hope I don't see TEAM play like that again for a long, long time.
word to your mother

good news is after the Kings get a ROYAL SMACKDOWN they usually come back with one of their own on the team whose on deck...which is Utah...we're comin atcha Salt Lake be ready :cool:
 
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You Give Them More Credit Than I Do ...

VF21 said:
Okay, fine. The team I saw tonight wasn't worthy of anything higher than an F. The starters pretty much stunk up the court. I thought I was being kind in not judging a mismatched bunch of guys who looked like they'd never played a game together in their lives.

P.S. Remember, this is just my assessment of the TEAM grade. This doesn't mean everyone deserved an F. It just meant the TEAM of the Sacramento Kings just wasn't out there. I don't know who those guys were, for the most part, but I do know one thing. I hope I don't see TEAM play like that again for a long, long time.

Bench = Thank You

Rest of Team = I N C O M P L E T E
 

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DANIELS...So I'll bail, and just say that he displayed a solid feel for the game and ball handling.
Brick - Daniels is a true enigma. He tripped over his own feet, fell and was barely able to get the ball to another King on one possession. Then, later, he actually looked good getting a rebound. I certainly hope he has another career to fall back on because I don't see him ever amounting to very much in the NBA. Maybe some time in the NBDL might help...
 

6th

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The starters stunk up the court. Why? Because they forgot that the Sacramento Kings play as a TEAM. They pass the bleeping ball. I would not give anyone better than a D (starters). The bench came in and tried to justify their minutes. They were more successful than the starters in that regard.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Mobley ( D- ) -- had a very quiet first half, and at this point we've sung that tune often enough that the second half explosion was not just expected, it was demanded. And so I waited for it to happen. And waited. And waited. And by the time I quit waiting we were down by 26 and Mobley had been pulled. Thought the F might be an overreaction, and I was trying to think of one thing, ANY thing, that Cat did this game to justify a higher mark. What was the redeeming characteristic to his game tonight? No energy. No shot. No assists. And not one spark of life for the entire evening. Just watching the game you would never have known he was in there. But finally found something -- played pretty decent defense on Nash in the first half, and kept him semi-contained. But that was IT. So I'll be kind to him and save him from the F. But we still would have been far better off starting Martin or House this time ot.


He did play 43 mins against the Lakers which I believe is more than he is use to and it was obviously very telling...I really thought it was gonna be a HUGE problem but I chose to ignore it...telling myself that he'd still be able to step up and have a good game...

anyways solid grades...I especially liked the grades for the "rescue crew" and RA's grade which at first glance I believed to be a bit too high but after reading your analysis I can definetly understand the grade...I think Mike's a smidge too high...I think he did a poor job running the offense..he didn't look as interested...I know his friends were all there and stuff but it seemed like he was trying to do it all and sometimes that just doesn't work....i also am not a fan of Kenny's grade that definetly should be bumped down...he was active but he was still continously getting beat over and over again and always looked like there were too many things going on for him to be able to keep up and stay focused...

Like i said however I expect everyone to bounce back on Monday night in a slight must win situation against Utah

GO KINGS!
 
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I live in Phoenix and just got back from the game. Had 8th row center seats and turned out to be a total crap game.

I know everyone saw the game, but a few interesting things that might not have come across on TV:
Early in the first quarter we gave up two dunks on defensive misses. Kenny Thomas was yelling at Evans because he wasn't rotating. Not yelling - communicating, yelling - pissed off. Great to see such great chemistry so late in the season.

During a timeout early in the 3rd quarter, Ostertag was sitting on the scorer's table dribbling on his own while the ENTIRE team was around RA. This was before the game was out of reach. This guy just doesn't have the heart to be on this team. I want him gone next year if possible. I give him a C for tonight...any good stats were garbage time rebounds.

Agree with VF21 on Daniels. He looked so bad in the few minutes out there that I felt bad for the guy.

I was very impressed with Martin tonight. I think he's going to do very well.
 

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sidney said:
...Early in the first quarter we gave up two dunks on defensive misses. Kenny Thomas was yelling at Evans because he wasn't rotating. Not yelling - communicating, yelling - pissed off. Great to see such great chemistry so late in the season.
Oh good. I am always SO GLAD to hear about a member of the team dressing down another member of the team in public. Gee, if this had been someone else - and I'm purposefully not mentioning any names - who had done it, there would be a rush on torches and rakes and some fans would be ready to storm the castle.

/dripping sarcasm
 
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sidney said:
I live in Phoenix and just got back from the game. Had 8th row center seats and turned out to be a total crap game.

I know everyone saw the game, but a few interesting things that might not have come across on TV:
Early in the first quarter we gave up two dunks on defensive misses. Kenny Thomas was yelling at Evans because he wasn't rotating. Not yelling - communicating, yelling - pissed off. Great to see such great chemistry so late in the season.

During a timeout early in the 3rd quarter, Ostertag was sitting on the scorer's table dribbling on his own while the ENTIRE team was around RA. This was before the game was out of reach. This guy just doesn't have the heart to be on this team. I want him gone next year if possible. I give him a C for tonight...any good stats were garbage time rebounds.

Agree with VF21 on Daniels. He looked so bad in the few minutes out there that I felt bad for the guy.

I was very impressed with Martin tonight. I think he's going to do very well.
Not good to hear, but thanks for posting it anyway.
 
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VF21 said:
Oh good. I am always SO GLAD to hear about a member of the team dressing down another member of the team in public. Gee, if this had been someone else - and I'm purposefully not mentioning any names - who had done it, there would be a rush on torches and rakes and some fans would be ready to storm the castle.

/dripping sarcasm
I guess I should add that it wasn't that big of a deal that Thomas was upset...good to see a little passion. Just frustrating that they don't have a feel for each other enough that they are missing some assignments big-time right before the playoffs.
 

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I don't think it's right for Thomas (or anyone else, for that matter) to be yelling at another player on the court. That isn't Kings basketball...or, at least, it didn't used to be and I certainly hope it never gets that way. Evans isn't generally a starter and for Thomas, a "starter" for now at least, to yell at him is simply not acceptable IMHO. If Peja hadn't been hurt yesterday, Evans would have seen very limited playing time. You don't make someone better by belittling them on the court.

Just my three cents...

Thanks for the comments, sidney. Please don't think I was addressing my frustration at you.

;)
 
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VF21 said:
Brick - I certainly hope he has another career to fall back on because I don't see him ever amounting to very much in the NBA. Maybe some time in the NBDL might help...
Well, he was undrafted. The Kings must have seen something in him at training camp. I believe I read something early in the season about the fact that Daniels is a bit short for a PF (6'8"), which I think is the position he played in college. Said he might develop into a decent role player, but really needed to bulk up. Maybe he'll mature into a stronger body. Some guys take longer to fill out. I agree that the NBDL might do him some good.

Which reminds me that I cracked up when JR said during the game that Kevin Martin was obviously not one of the atheletes caught up in the steroid scandal. :D He played well and within his abilities at this point...smart.
 
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VF21 said:
Oh good. I am always SO GLAD to hear about a member of the team dressing down another member of the team in public. Gee, if this had been someone else - and I'm purposefully not mentioning any names - who had done it, there would be a rush on torches and rakes and some fans would be ready to storm the castle.

/dripping sarcasm
Thomas already did the PO'ed thing with Peja. It was in one of the first couple of games after the trade, though I forget against which team exactly. Thomas jumped out to help on a guard on the opposite baseline, leaving his man open to recieve a pass for an easy lay-up; Peja didn't rotate over like he should've. After the play Thomas was upset and you could see he was letting Peja know about it.


Anyhow, we’re horrible undersized up front and we're not really athletic or quick. I think we’ll continue to struggle against the top teams. Right now, we’re a one dimensional shooting team. If the shots are falling we look unstoppable, but if they’re not, we have no second options. We’re not a good defensive team, but what’s most disheartening is that we’re still not cohesive enough as a unit to get the key defensive stops.

"dunkfest of epic proportions" really sums up the whole game.
 
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VF21 said:
Oh good. I am always SO GLAD to hear about a member of the team dressing down another member of the team in public. Gee, if this had been someone else - and I'm purposefully not mentioning any names - who had done it, there would be a rush on torches and rakes and some fans would be ready to storm the castle.

/dripping sarcasm

It happens all the time. I think the whole team deserved to be yelled at by Rick Adelman. Maybe we should get Bobby Knight to coach the team next year!
 

Bricklayer

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sidney said:
During a timeout early in the 3rd quarter, Ostertag was sitting on the scorer's table dribbling on his own while the ENTIRE team was around RA. This was before the game was out of reach. This guy just doesn't have the heart to be on this team. I want him gone next year if possible. I give him a C for tonight...any good stats were garbage time rebounds.
Uh...no. Actually almost all of Tag's stats came while the game was still on. His play and numbers fell off in garbagetime after it was already over. But the single best King on the floor in the first 3/4.
 
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kennadog said:
Which reminds me that I cracked up when JR said during the game that Kevin Martin was obviously not one of the atheletes caught up in the steroid scandal. :D He played well and within his abilities at this point...smart.
BAHAHHAHAHA

Actually one of the Suns announcers kept saying how he looked like he was 15 years old, how he looked like a younger Doug Christie...even said "I want to see some ID on that kid" and "he gets younger everytime I look at him" that really cracked me up...lol :D

Sidney --I would have to agree with Brick in that GO was probably along with Eddie and Kevin the best Kings on the floor last night...i thought about how it must of looked from your view at the arena but if you watched it on TV you would DEFINETLY had seen the difference...either way I give YOU an A+ for actually being able to stomach that whole game LIVE...watching on TV I stopped after the end of the 3rd
 
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LPKingsFan said:
And as for the defense on Quentin, I believe he is returning from injury, so don't give Mo too much credit there.
not only that (and i forgot to mention this before) but the two games that he played in before he sat out with the sprained ankle he stunk it up (vs Rox/vs Lakers)...he's obviously in a shooting slump and I hope he doesn't get out of it :D I can't stand Q Richardson...and again he is easily the biggest whiner on that entire team...

and people call Brad Miller a whiner...HA!
 
#29
The Kings were playing the second night of a back to back as the away team.

That is a huge disadvantage to begin with, not to mention playing the likely conference champs without Peja or Miller.

I like that RA pulled the first team when he realized we weren't in the game.
He even said something like "I didn't want to see one of our guys go down in a game like this" on TV.

The consolation of last nights games of course is that we're likely to play Seattle in the first round. It also doesn't hurt us so much that we're lower seeded team in that it gives Peja, Miller and BJax another 5 days or so to get it together for our first 2 home games which are must wins.

If we can take one of the first two games in Seattle we should be really happy. OTOH, a game 7 in Seattle is bad for both injury strained teams, but its worse for us.
 
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Ostertag actually hit the floor on one loose-ball play.

How does Songaila maintain his composure?

I was wrong about the Kings beating Phoenix.

I don't feel well.

Oh well..........

:(
 
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