Grades v. Spurs 04/12

After tonight how excited would you be to have Beno's love child?

  • Very excited.

    Votes: 3 6.8%
  • Not so excited.

    Votes: 3 6.8%
  • I am anatomically incapable.

    Votes: 10 22.7%
  • I am anatomically incapable but would be willing to have surgery to change that.

    Votes: 1 2.3%
  • The love child would probably be a better point guard.

    Votes: 27 61.4%

  • Total voters
    44
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
And so there it is -- we clinch the worst record in the league (a first in the Sacramento era I believe) on a "colorful" piece of officiating. Oh well, its all for the greater good. And time to break out the party hats -- the next two games its safe to actually root for the team to win!

As I cannot imagine it getting much lower than this, tonight I'm going to clear off Great Historical Turning Points as a theme. When you hit rock bottom, there is nowhere to go but up, and the corner is turned by default.

Nocioni ( C- ) -- gunning early against Finley, but then disappeared. Kept on queueing up, and bricking 3pt bombs. Did little after half other than force a number of bad shots as I guess the Spurs defense was still tougher than it looked. Had a lot of foul problems as well. Was the guy who got caught down inside on a pick freeing up Finley for the game winning shot. That's what you get for only playing 24 seconds of defense instead of the full 25. Then had no prayer on the final desperation three back the other way with 1.5 seconds to go. Not one to write home about for Noc, unless the letter be "Mama, we got cheated!"
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The French Revolution in 1789 -- when you talk about "The Revolution" in America, you are almost always referring to The American Revolution, which of course was rather important to us. But when you talk about "The Revolution" in Europe and much of the rest of the first world, you are talking about The French Revolution, which was a far more important event historically. America was still just some distant collection of half-civilized colonists. But when the French, right in the heart of Europe, overthrew their centuries old ancien regime, it changed everything. Autocracy, and a reflexive submission to the king and nobility had kept the social order relatively stable for a thousand years in Europe. And suddenly people realized that it did not have to be. That if they resisted they could win their freedom. Revolutionary thought swept through Europe for the next half century (and Napolen did so as well, himself an outgrowth of The Revolution) with rebellions and the threat of rebellions toppling regimes and forcing the survivors to democratize and pass the real power over to the people. It was the beginning of a democratic Europe.

Thompson ( C+ ) -- was a good battle in there early against Kurt Thomas on the glass -- too horribly hack prone scrappers. But got quiet as our true All Stars -- BJax, McCants and Diogu -- made themselves eveident in the 2nd quarter, combinging for 28 of our 36 second quarter points. Avoided his normal foul problems, but was no real factor as the Spurs defense was rather less eager to leave him open for tips and follows than have been many of our recent opponents. Think his only points after the early going were on a key tip in over Bonner's back in the late 4th that seemed to have us in good position to win this. Sans Duncan, nobody on the Spurs frontline hurt him muhc defensively, but then again, coming off getting his *** handed ot him by Brian Skinner everybody on the Spurs save Oberto couold have been a candidate, so I guess a step forward. Not a bad game overall, just no real impact and the gap between he and Thomas's impact felt larger than the gap in their numbers.
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Fall of Constantinople in 1453 -- the Byzantine Empire is often lost to a sort of fuzzy middle for casual students of history. Neither East nor West, neither ancient nor modern, it was the critical bridge between the ancient world of Rome and the modern world of the European powers. Not only did it preserve much of the ancient knowledge of the greeks and romans, but it was also the heart of the Orthodox Church, and after the 8th century from its position straddling the Bosporus (the straight between Asia and Europe connecting the Black Sea to the Mediterranean) it served as Christianity's great bulwark against the tide of Islam that swept through the Middle East. For centuries it endured seige after seige as the greatest and most impregnable fortress/city of its age. So when it finally fell to the Turks in 1453, it was like a damn bursting. The Muslim Turks were at the height of their power and poured into Europe through the Balkans, reaching southern Russia, eastern Italy, and twice besieging Vienna in Austria.

Hawes ( A- ) -- with no Duncan out there got off to the fast start and was able to get up anything he wanted to comfortably. Although as often happens with Spencer, forgot to rebound along the way and only had 2 before half. Did much of our damage in the third, from both inside and out, and the Spurs various stubby yawners never really getting a hold of him. Was some factor inside defnsively too, helping keep Parker under control in the early going, and altering shots by Thomas and Gooden. Sat out for a key stretch of the 4th while the Spurs briefly took a lead, but after finally returning at the 4:30 minute mark quickly pushed us back into the lead with a couple of nice plays and the hoop to nudge his career high up by another point -- think its the 3rd time he's had his new career high in the last month, but he never explodeds it. I think first it was 20, then 22, now 24. Was not involved late as he, and the rest of the Kings, got to watch Beno go one on the Spurs.
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Martin Luther Nails Up His 95 Theses in 1517 -- vandalism isn't always a great way to start a revolution, but when Martin Luther nailed up his 95 complaints against the church (and there was only one church before he did so, the Catholic Church) he had a tiger by its tail. Originally largely a complaint about the church's corruption through the sale of "indulgences" (basically you could buy your way out of your sins with enough grease money to your local clergyman), it blossomed into a full fledged theological reviolution that spawned all of the Protestant Churches to follow. Along the way he also translated the bible out of Latin into a modern language (german), helping establish that it should be accessible to everyone, and got married, thus setting the precedent that Protestant ministers could marry. There would be centuries of warfare to follow as a result, and a schism amongst Christinity that still lasts until today.

Cisco ( C ) -- fairly quiet first half mostly matched against the Spurs wing stoppers. More assist man than scorer. Picked up the scoring in the third, but never matched the decidely underhwleming man he was supposed to be guarding -- Roger Mason, who dropped 22 on us. Nothing in the 4th this time, and was late on the closeout on Mason's three that tied the game in the final minute and put the result in the refs hands.
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Pearl Harbor Sneak Attack in 1941 -- this of course turned out to be quite the miscalculation by the Japanese -- basically it made us mad. And you don't wake the slumbering giant. But its implications went far beyond that one war or that one opponent (two once Germany followed the mistake by declaring war). Through that one action, it set the stage for the American era of international politics which we are still living in today. Many people do not realize that we were basically isolationaist before 1941. That despite everything that FDR tried to do to get us to commit ourselves, that the American people wanted no part of WWII and were content to sit and watch the rest of the world burn, convinced that the oceans would protect them. And then the Japanese came and proved that that wasn't true and the effect was jarring. America woke up, realized her power, and has never looked back.
 
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Udrih ( F ) -- remember last game where I said everybody had to take back all the bad things they had been saying about Beno? Well, you can take back your take back now. Missed his early shots, but Parker was doing no better and seemed to be struggling to adjust as his team's lone remaining star. Beno actually showed occasional scrap on the boards, and picked up some assists, but by the mid third it was all Parker, and it was about to get worse. Beno was missing everything -- the little jumpers, flips, layups, everything -- and after a while started to really force junk in desperation to get one to fall. Finally got one to barely rattle home down the stretch to put us up three, but then was apparently over-encouraged and started forcing up off target flips seemingly every possession down the stretch to make a major contribution to he loss. Final stats? Beno = 2pts on 1-12 shooting. Meanwhile Parker put up 25 and 9. That would be what is commonly known as an F.
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Russian Revolution in 1917 -- Marxism had of course been around for half a century by the time of the Russian Revolution, but the revloution gave the philosophy its first teeth. Like many watershed moments in history, it opened the door to what was possible for every revolutionary to follow, and with Russia seeing itself as the beachhead of a worldwide communist revolution and actively spreading marxist principles, the 1917 revolution became the progenitor for a century of communist revolutions and movements all around the globe.

BJax ( B ) -- really challenged Parker in the 2nd quarter, coming up with a big 11pt quarter as maybe a final goodbye to Arco. Parker was coming alive himself after a slow start, but Bobby matched him hoop for hoop in a matchup of strength vs. speed. And then like the rest of the bench crew that did so well in the 2nd quarter (McCants, Diogu) came up with nothing after the break and got to watch as Beno Beno'd the game away down the stretch.
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The Division of the Roman Empire, 4th century -- by the time that the Romans hit upon this solution to their problems, the Empire was already dying. But dividing themselves was a final deathknell that reverberated for a thousand years. It actually saved the Eastern half of the Empire, which would go on to become the Byzantine Empire, but doomed the West as it fell into the Dark Ages. It also created the political basis for the historic split fo the early Christian Church into Eastern Orthodox (based in Constantinople) and Western Catholic (based in Rome) branches.

McCants ( B ) -- had a strong scoring 2nd quarter, scoring 9pts as part of our bench crew that were the ones truly responsible for most of our lead at halftime. Then did not even play after half? Was he hurt?
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Fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 -- the symbolic end to the Cold War, and within a few years, the Soviet Union, the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 has created the world as we see it today. I am old enough to have grown up in the Cold War, with two nuclear armed superpowers playing chicken with each and fighting out their ideological differences through proxy nations. But there are many younger members of this board for whom that is nothing but a historical relic now. As an aside, the Germans themselves have a shaky relationship with this event -- reunification has not been the panacea that many had hoped, with the East reduced to poor resentful cousins by half a century of communist rule, and many in West wondering if it was worth it to reunify and rebuild.

Greene ( B- ) -- in the first half had his normal unproductive minutes, but at least constrained the gunning and the two shots he did take in the first half were more or less in rhythm. His second half stint was better. Showed good awareness throwing up a post flip to beat the shot clock in the 4th and hit a feet set three a few minutes later. As usual, not a whole lot to talk about other than the scoring.

Diogu ( B- ) -- early minutes again, whether as a reward for his solid play in Clipperland or because Natt just doesn't thinnk it matters anymore, who knows. Scored well in the second quarter against various Spurs frontline people but did nothing on the glass. No production in his second stint after half, and was outmuscled by Kurt Thomas for a bunch of boards.

Simmons ( INC ) -- did he actually get in? Saw his name pop up in the boxcore but do not remember the spectacular event.

Gooden ( sucked ) -- apparently that buyout we gave him included some sort of non-performance clause when he plays us, because he flat out sucked. Shot horribly, took dumb shots, committed fouls, fumbled balls, missed FTs. Somehow I didn't hear Jerry gushing about this guy this time.
 
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Lets finish the season 2-0 showing everyone that we could have played better if we really wanted to...LOL!.....

#1 pick here we come!
 
OH and Ed Davis announced that hes returning to school today... (sigh) there goes a top 5 player.

I actually would have picked him over Hasheem Thabeet..... DANG IT!
 
Damn the greater good. We could have lost this fair and square in overtime; no need to get cheated.


Look at it this way -- this was getting cheated in the same way that a cashier giving you too much change is getting cheated. ;)

Now this happens in a real season, we have to talk.
 
OH and Ed Davis announced that hes returning to school today... (sigh) there goes a top 5 player.

I actually would have picked him over Hasheem Thabeet..... DANG IT!


Uh, Ed Davis was not a Top 5 pick if he came out, and he's way too skinny for the NBA at this point.

Should not effect us at all, unless maybe he was a darkhorse to slip to us with the Houston pick.
 
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Uh, Ed Davis was not a Top 5 pick if he came out, and he's way too skinny for the NBA at this point.

Should not effect us at all, unless maybe he was a darkhorse to slip to us with the Houston pick.

Hasheem Thabeet is way too skinny... and hes a Center??? a 4 year Center!!!
putting up his numbers at 7'3 is not special... its lame...so is the fact hes still so skinny after 4 years.... He's screaming bust... Keep in mind that Ty Hansbro and Mark Madson dominated college as "BIGS" but that wont carry over into the pros... You could put manute bol into a college game right now at his age and he'll put up the same numbers as Thabeet...

Ed Davis showed "SPECIAL" and is a freshman. Like Anthony Randolph, too skinny might be worth looking at.
 
Hasheem Thabeet is way too skinny... and hes a Center??? a 4 year Center!!!
putting up his numbers at 7'3 is not special... its lame...so is the fact hes still so skinny after 4 years.... He's screaming bust... Keep in mind that Ty Hansbro and Mark Madson dominated college as "BIGS" but that wont carry over into the pros... You could put manute bol into a college game right now at his age and he'll put up the same numbers as Thabeet...

Ed Davis showed "SPECIAL" and is a freshman. Like Anthony Randolph, too skinny might be worth looking at.

Thabeet is skinny because of his DNA and genetic makeup. Of course, don't let that stop you from making a silly rant...
 
Hasheem Thabeet is way too skinny... and hes a Center??? a 4 year Center!!!
putting up his numbers at 7'3 is not special... its lame...so is the fact hes still so skinny after 4 years.... He's screaming bust... Keep in mind that Ty Hansbro and Mark Madson dominated college as "BIGS" but that wont carry over into the pros... You could put manute bol into a college game right now at his age and he'll put up the same numbers as Thabeet...

Ed Davis showed "SPECIAL" and is a freshman. Like Anthony Randolph, too skinny might be worth looking at.

That by far is the best unbacked statement ive ever seen. Putting up is numbers at 7'3 is LAME! Haha! Doesn't even make sense.
 
Not to mention the fact that Thabeet already tips the scales at 263 lbs -- which would make him the heaviest player the Kings have. Not a great frame for huge improvement (narrow shoulders), but add some NBA workout regime and you are talking a 275lb "skinny" guy. Meanwhile Ed Davis is Hakeem Warrick sized at about 6'9" 210.
 
Mark Madson dominated college as "BIGS"

No. Stanford is just down the road from me, and Madsen kind of sucked in college, too. He was good for 10.9 points, 7.9 rebounds, and scant traces of other contributions per game. Thabeet outscores him by 28%, out-rebounds him by 37%, and so on... out-blocks him by 700%.

You may not like Thabeet, fine. But he bears no resemblance to Madsen, who was undersized for the NBA, never very good, and very lucky to be taken in the first round at all (29th pick).
 
I just noticed this for the first time on the days highlights on NBATV.... did anyone notice that the backboard light that indicated when the shotclock goes off MALFUCNTIONED! IT DIDNT GO OFF!!! The freaking piece of hardware that was put into every single arena due to a direct result of the Kings getting screwed FAILS and screws us! HA IRONY AT ITS FINEST!
 
Hasheem Thabeet is not skinny, he is lean. For the stage of his development, he actually has an impressive athletic build, strong yet mobile. For fans thinking he is a bust waiting to happen, no way. There's a rookie on the Pacers named Roy Hibbert with a lot less skill that Thabeet. Both are 7'2" Big East guys. Actually I think Thabeet is an inch taller. Hibbert has performed pretty well this year (7 points and 3.5 boards in 14 minutes a game). Thabeet will do better from Day 1.

And don't overlook the fact Thabeet has been playing the game a mere 7 years, he grew up playing soccer (Hakeem comparisons?). So there is more upside than if he had been playing since a kid. From the character pieces, he is a hard worker with magnetic personality. I'd be tempted to take him #1. Or should I say swing a deal with OKC to give them Blake Griffin for Thabeet and a promising PG or another one of their 1st round picks.
 


Now there's a couple of guys who desperately need to hit the weight room. As a rule you don't want your NBA players to lose arm wrestling contests with the dance team.

As an aside, Rubio has always been listed at 6'4", Jennings at 6'1". What gives in that photo?
 
Re: SLAM cover of Rubio and Jennings. Jennings is 19-years-of-age and listed at 6'1 and 170 lbs. Rubio is listed at 6'3 (or 6'3.75 / 1.92m) and 180 lbs.

Standing very close in this shot it would appear Rubio is a bit taller, but only a little bit. Maybe Jennings has grown some since he was last officially measured and Rubio at 18-years-of-age could still be growing taller.

Interesting, but I guess not really proving much. They both appear to have good, certainly not "90 pound weakling bodies" - with time to grow into them much more. I'd say Aaron Brooks is more like the so-called 90 lb weakling.
 
Now there's a couple of guys who desperately need to hit the weight room. As a rule you don't want your NBA players to lose arm wrestling contests with the dance team.

As an aside, Rubio has always been listed at 6'4", Jennings at 6'1". What gives in that photo?

Jennings is standing a bit closer to the camera...Rubio's posture seems a bit more slouched too. Minor things, but thats probably it. You have a point though, I think they are closer together in height then 3 inches. Probably more like 1.5 inches apart.


Also...Rubio looks like Harry Potter. If we land him that should factor into his nickname.
 
Jennings is standing a bit closer to the camera...Rubio's posture seems a bit more slouched too. Minor things, but thats probably it. You have a point though, I think they are closer together in height then 3 inches. Probably more like 1.5 inches apart.


Also...Rubio looks like Harry Potter. If we land him that should factor into his nickname.

The Wizard :D
 
I just noticed this for the first time on the days highlights on NBATV.... did anyone notice that the backboard light that indicated when the shotclock goes off MALFUCNTIONED! IT DIDNT GO OFF!!! The freaking piece of hardware that was put into every single arena due to a direct result of the Kings getting screwed FAILS and screws us! HA IRONY AT ITS FINEST!

Actually nevermind! I just remembered backboards only light up red at the end of quarters... whoops! :o
 
Now there's a couple of guys who desperately need to hit the weight room. As a rule you don't want your NBA players to lose arm wrestling contests with the dance team.

As an aside, Rubio has always been listed at 6'4", Jennings at 6'1". What gives in that photo?

Well, as other posters have mentioned, I think a difference of postures can account for some variance in heights. Also, I doubt this was taken as a single photo. More likely, two photos were taken separately and spliced together, with heights adjusted to be relatively equal (so they could occupy similar amounts of space on the cover).
 
Since we solidified our sucky-ness, how about the next two themes be about worst teams draft picks. One on worst teams making good picks, the other on worst teams making horrible picks.
 
Well, as other posters have mentioned, I think a difference of postures can account for some variance in heights. Also, I doubt this was taken as a single photo. More likely, two photos were taken separately and spliced together, with heights adjusted to be relatively equal (so they could occupy similar amounts of space on the cover).


I think you're right about that. That shadow on Rubio's jersey looks photoshopped.
 
Not to mention the fact that Thabeet already tips the scales at 263 lbs -- which would make him the heaviest player the Kings have. Not a great frame for huge improvement (narrow shoulders), but add some NBA workout regime and you are talking a 275lb "skinny" guy. Meanwhile Ed Davis is Hakeem Warrick sized at about 6'9" 210.

DUDE!!!! He looks like a stick, and against any half way good talent played like a stick. Blair owes Thabeet a thank you card for making Blair overrated. Im glad your all so smug with your numbers as far as weight and height with draft picks... funny how people continue to be surprised at the combine. Hes 7'3 he should weigh ALOT! Dwight Howard was skinny but buy the time he would have been a 4 year senior he was looking solid. Being as tall as Thabeet is, until he adds the weight hes gonna be pushed around by guys that get under him/ take his legs out....

PERSONALY... I cant wait to see how many bench presses he can do and to see what he really weighs.
 
Great theme. Makes me want to make a trip to the library. Could anyone recommend a good book on the French revolution, preferably for the layperson?
 
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