Grades v. Spurs 01/27

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Bricklayer

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Barnes ( B- ) -- opened up the game looking a bit lost, and couldn't buy himself a call all game long. But got stronger as the game wore on, and provided us with some key hustle plays and help on the glass in the second half. Gets an automatic half grade just for making F. Tony Massenburg look like a friggin' idiot on the play of the night to close the third quarter -- threw the ball off of Mass's back underneath the Spurs hoop in the old playground play, grabbed the ball, hit the layup AND got fouled. Not as good as somebody laying FTM out, but pulling down his pants on national TV is the next best thing. Did, per his usual, make some bad turnovers along the way as well.
Webber ( C- ) -- Hindered all game long by foul trouble, and did not look great physically. Had a horrid first half where I was worried whether he should even be trying to play. Just a long string of jumpers and no life in the legs at all. Picked up his third foul in the second, and it was merciful. But it was again a tale of two halves, as Webb came out in the second and put together a respectable half. Helped us finally control the boards, had some moments of strong defense in the 4th, and was more composed on offense except for some just awful passes (and the rest of the team was throwing awful entry passes to him as well). But tried too hard to be the hero in the closing minutes. Did hit a three, but just settling for any long jumper out there without looking for options. Decent play kept us in it in the second half, but not a strong or composed game overall.
Miller ( B- ) -- At times looked so hot offensively that you wish there was some way to actually feed him, but there's really not against a good defensive team. Hurt us again with struggles on the boards -- have come to the conclusion that as big and powerful as Webb's mitts are, Brad simply doesn't have very good hands. Got stonger as the game went on on the glass, but fumbled a critical one late into Horry's hands. Joined Webb in the ill advised let's-try-to-win-this-one-down-the-stretch-by-having-our-big-men-chuck-up-threes offense. Showed again that he just simply cannot stop or even slow down a premier post player like Duncan.
Mobley ( D ) -- started off well offensively, but got wild and sloppy as the game went along. Made a bunch of dumb ill-advised charges at the rim, and also threw some really bad passes while he was at it. Worse yet, on a few of his drives it was right there and he should have finished them, but kept on finding inventive ways to throw them off the bottom of the rim etc. Was heavily harassed by Manu, and lost the scrambling athletic matchup there.
Bibby ( B- ) -- our most consistent offensive force of the night through three quarters. Never dominant, but never disappeared either. But then the 4th quarter rolled around and Mike pulled a Peja on us. I'm sure it was a major focus of the Spurs defense, but Mike was just totally gone. And once that happened, the offense went right along with him. Along with the rest of the team made some unconscionably bad passes and dumb plays throughout. Failed to control Parker early which had us on the verge of getting blown out, but was solid on defense therafter, and Parker quieted down as is his streaky pattern.
Martin ( B ) -- not up to the task as a scorer against the best defense in the league, but hustled well and played good defense. Grabbed some nice athletic offensive boards for us to give us a few extra chances. Made some steals. Of course had to throw in one ill-advised drive that should have been a jumper. Kid's in desperate need of an in between game, or if he has one, he has to use it. Still got a lot of minutes off the depleted bench with House playing awfully, and was in there at the end of the game, albeit as an afterthought. We could have really used an offensive boost, and I'm sure that's what Rick had in mind from him tonight, but still pretty satisfied with the defensive hustler we had out there instead. He helped. Just not ready to turn the tide against a team at this level yet.
Songaila ( B+ ) -- got off to a sloppy start, but recovered to turn in a nice hustling effort game for us. Big problem for him was just all kinds of foul trouble. With Webb playing a stronger second half, and Brad fairly steady, may not have been many more minutes for him anyway, but he was playing well enough that it would have been nice to be able to spot him in for one more stint late.
House ( F ) -- terrible game for House. Did nothing positive, and jacked up bad shots and turned the ball over. Doghouse type stuff in a big game.
Ostertag ( C- ) -- took a long long time for Tag to finally get into the game, and when he did it was more bad than good. Did block a shot of course. but also seemed unable to alter a few others, and looked curiously slow -- not just his normal brontosaurusesque lumber, but there were several loose balls he could have reached, and his ganglia just didn't seem to fire in time for him to react. Picked up a couple of fouls that might have been blocks on a sharper night. Pulled him to get more offense in the game in the 4th (actually did not help), and this time it was a good idea. Just not able to help enough at the things he's susposed to be able to do.
Bradley ( INC ) -- just a few seconds at the end of the game after it was over.

Adelman ( B- ) -- this is a tough one to grade. We were seriously hobbled going into a game against the top team in the league on their home floor. Got off to a bad start. And got squeezed down the stretch out of the game. But in between we kept it close, kept fighting. Pretty good outing from an effort standpoint. Made the Spurs earn it. Nonetheless, game, effort, team, felt shaky and scattered. Not the sort of game that you leave feeling good about our chances in the future. Substitution patterns tonight were all over the place with so many people hurt, hobbled, in foul trouble. In the end probably about right given our lack of effective options. Play in the final minutes was disturbing. Reminiscient of the earlier game in Minneosta where the Wolves squeezed us down the stretch, and the wheels fell off. Bibby was not involved, offense broke down, Webb, and this time Brad as well got frustrated and just started chucking up desperate threes. Just felt like we were without answers. And maybe we have none. But still that's kind of up to Rick to figure something out.

Announcers ( F ) -- Steve Kerr is PATHETIC. I mean, its just sad. Actually TNT has gotten increasingly sad. But letting Kerr do a Spurs game is just stupid.

Referees ( F ) -- wow, what a terribly ref'd game. And a few of them REALLY hurt us too including a couple of terrible offensive call fouls and 2 pts that should have been ours but the refs waved off because they called Barnes for basket interference. Replays showed he never touched the ball. Not a big one for complaining about the refs, but this one really stood out for gross incompetence.
 
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Random grades:

Webb (S): ...for sad. Talk about laboring up and down the court. :(....I can't even give out the whole " A for effort" line...it was just sad.

Peja (W): For where were you?...Look, I don't really care, but since everyone wanted to make a big deal about it last time, why wasn't he there supporting his team?

KHTK (A): For giving me an outlet from the TNT broadcast
 
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Bricklayer said:
Referees ( F ) -- wow, what a terribly ref'd game. And a few of them REALLY hurt us too including a couple of terrible offensive call fouls and 2 pts that should have been ours but the refs waved off because they called Barnes for basket interference. Replays showed he never touched the ball. Not a big one for complaining about the refs, but this one really stood out for gross incompetence.
I usually give this grade when the referees make so many bad calls, but since you did my job, I'll just agree.

Have you also noticed usually when these bad officiating games happen against the Kings, the game is usually on national television?
 
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Bricklayer said:
Announcers ( F ) -- Steve Kerr is PATHETIC. I mean, its just sad. Actually TNT has gotten increasingly sad. But letting Kerr do a Spurs game is just stupid.
very true! that was REALLY pathetic!
 
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ReinadelosReys said:
Random grades:

Webb (S): ...for sad. Talk about laboring up and down the court. :(....I can't even give out the whole " A for effort" line...it was just sad.

Peja (W): For where were you?...Look, I don't really care, but since everyone wanted to make a big deal about it last time, why wasn't he there supporting his team?

KHTK (A): For giving me an outlet from the TNT broadcast
webb --yes that was sad.. the effort was there but too many thing went wrong for him tonight.. especially in the 1st half..

peja --yeah i was wondering where he was, too.. doesn't really matter, though.. i was just used to our players, being there to support the team..

khtk --too bad i didn't have that option..
 
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Personally I don't like Kerr's announcing that much either.

I like the Spurs a lot, and I liked Kerr as a Spur -- but as an accouncer he is too deliberate and exaggerating with his takes. Not just with the Spurs either. He tends to repeat the same things over and over (granted the viewers can change at times, but somehow I think he just does not have much else to say).

Sometimes he says some stuff that gives a chuckle but again, same things over and over again and sometimes too obvious.

Charles + Kenny + Ernie are a funny trio and a nice break from most of the ESPN crew.
 
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Nikos said:
Personally I don't like Kerr's announcing that much either.

I like the Spurs a lot, and I liked Kerr as a Spur -- but as an accouncer he is too deliberate and exaggerating with his takes. Not just with the Spurs either. He tends to repeat the same things over and over (granted the viewers can change at times, but somehow I think he just does not have much else to say).

Sometimes he says some stuff that gives a chuckle but again, same things over and over again and sometimes too obvious.

Charles + Kenny + Ernie are a funny trio and a nice break from most of the ESPN crew.
I honestly wondered how many times could he have said that either Chris Webber has 4 fouls or how can the Kings win the game without Peja.
 
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good grade.

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#13
Wow I thought Martin scored more then 2 points. Looked like he was pretty active all over the place. Box score shows a different story tho.

Bad part is the Spurs had 13 TO's at the half and ended up the game with same amount we had.

Never thought much of Eddie House he IMO doesn't belong on the team but he wasn't the reason we lost.

Overall not to upset about the loss, the Spurs are the best team right now IMO and at least it wasn't 30 points. I will mention tho when u see refs blow a call like they did against Barnes it makes one wonder and always brings back bad thoughts.
 
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ReinadelosReys said:
Peja (W): For where were you?...Look, I don't really care, but since everyone wanted to make a big deal about it last time, why wasn't he there supporting his team?
Personally, I don't think Peja should have been on the bench. The last thing he should be doing with a bad back is sitting on the bench the whole game. I'm hoping he was either receiving treatment, or on a nice comfy bed in his hotel room.
 

piksi

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ReinadelosReys said:
Peja (W): For where were you?...Look, I don't really care, but since everyone wanted to make a big deal about it last time, why wasn't he there supporting his team?
Hopefully getting some kind of treatment for his back. Maybe, he was unable to sit.

Maybe Webber sent him to the ATM machine to get some money
:eek:
 

VF21

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Why should Pedja be out there, sitting on a hard, uncomfortable chair? To make his back even worse? What is this sudden requirement that players who don't play because of injuries have to be there for moral support? Pedja needed to be anywhere but there - preferably somewhere with heat, and proper treatment for back spasms. He did NOT need to be on the bench.

Team grade is tough, because they lost - but I'm giving them a B-

Why a B-? They hung tough against the Spurs. They might have actually won if a couple of critical calls had gone the other way, or hadn't been made in the first place. We may have lost, but we lost short-handed and with Webber clearly not playing very well. I don't think Pop is going to be very happy in the Spurs locker room. AND to ice the cake, TMass got posterized by Matt Barnes, with one of the oldest plays in the book. That in and of itself is worthy of raising the team grade.

I'd lower RA's grade because of the horrible timing of the House for Bibby substitution. Talk about sucking the flow right out of the game. If we're really lucky, maybe Eddie will miss the flight to Houston.
 
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keflanag said:
Personally, I don't think Peja should have been on the bench. The last thing he should be doing with a bad back is sitting on the bench the whole game. I'm hoping he was either receiving treatment, or on a nice comfy bed in his hotel room.
I do too...I don't want people to misinterpret what I was trying to say. I don't care where Peja was, hopefully we was resting, its what he needs. Just want people to be fair. And maybe these aren't comments from anyone in here, but rather those other people around Sacramento and who are for whatever reason given pens and microphones.
 
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VF21 said:
I'd lower RA's grade because of the horrible timing of the House for Bibby substitution. Talk about sucking the flow right out of the game. If we're really lucky, maybe Eddie will miss the flight to Houston.
WORD!
 

piksi

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BigWaxer said:
Wow I thought Martin scored more then 2 points. Looked like he was pretty active all over the place. Box score shows a different story tho.
He did have more than 2 pts. The refs just saw it otherwise
 

VF21

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BigWaxer said:
Wow I thought Martin scored more then 2 points. Looked like he was pretty active all over the place. Box score shows a different story tho.
And that, in a nutshell, is why you can't place too much emphasis on the box score. Kevin had a basket taken away on a bad call. In addition, he was doing a pretty good job on defense. He WAS active and he WAS all over the court. He is still a rookie and he was put in a pretty unenviable position. Not his best game, but not a completely ineffective outing either.
 

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ReinadelosReys said:
I do too...

Just want people to be fair.
Ah, I missed the obvious part of that the first time around.

:eek:

True. There was as much reason for Pedja to be on the bench tonight as there was for Webber to be on the bench the second half of the game Sunday.
 
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Kerr gets an F - if that is even possible. man was he BRUTAL. he said maybe one or 2 things worth listening to all night long, if that. marv wasn't that good tonight either, got sucked into kerr's tangeld webb

webber looked like CRAP out there. he gets a D from me. just kept shooting jumper after jumper. i got all excited when he drove down the lane for a hoop, but he went back on shooting those jumpers. he should have stopped shooting those.

brad a B
bibby a B-
cat a C-
barnes a B did pretty well considering who he was replacing in the SL, and had that GREAT play, made t-mass look like a *** to end the 3rd that was AWESOME!

songalia B+ he was trying, but got into foul trouble. lots of hustle and hitting the wide open looks he was getting
flash B-
tag C

better effort this time round, but sadly the same result. *sigh* maybe if we meet up in the playoffs.....
 
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The stupid thing that Kerr kept saying all night, for me at least, was his "The Kings have gotten an offensive flow to keep them in the game". Was he watching the game? The Kings never really ever had much an offensive flow with Webber struggling. They stayed in the game because of defense. Their offense through the whole game looked like it wasn't sure where to go to. Mobley forcing shots, driving without getting calls or just getting stuck with no dribble and forcing passes.
 
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Evenstar said:
Kerr gets an F - if that is even possible. man was he BRUTAL. he said maybe one or 2 things worth listening to all night long, if that. marv wasn't that good tonight either, got sucked into kerr's tangeld webb

webber looked like CRAP out there. he gets a D from me. just kept shooting jumper after jumper. i got all excited when he drove down the lane for a hoop, but he went back on shooting those jumpers. he should have stopped shooting those.

brad a B
bibby a B-
cat a C-
barnes a B did pretty well considering who he was replacing in the SL, and had that GREAT play, made t-mass look like a *** to end the 3rd that was AWESOME!

songalia B+ he was trying, but got into foul trouble. lots of hustle and hitting the wide open looks he was getting
flash B-
tag C

better effort this time round, but sadly the same result. *sigh* maybe if we meet up in the playoffs.....
Sadly, it was a loss, but I wouldn't say it was the same result. Sunday we were humiliated and looked like we didn't even belong on the same court as the Spurs. Tonight we held our own, tied or took the lead a few times, and looked like we could have pulled a win if we got the right calls DESPITE missing some key players. So, losing a well fought game isn't as bad as being totally humiliated, right?:eek: I wouldn't give Webber a D, in fact, I would probably be happy with a straight C for him. Given the fact that he was playing in pain due to a hurt ankle, I thought he really stuck in there & gave it his best shot. He just looked like he was in pain tonight, got some bad calls, and was still able to contribute. I think anyone who plays through an injury deserves a little leeway on the grading scale.
 
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How can the Kings win without Bobby, Mo, or Peja, and a wounded Webber again? This collection of pick-up players just can't be expected to beat the Spurs this year.

I recently said that injuries would dictate the winners and losers in the NBA again this year. Here we go.

The Kings tried, and it wasn't embarassing.
 
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love_them_kings said:
Sadly, it was a loss, but I wouldn't say it was the same result. Sunday we were humiliated and looked like we didn't even belong on the same court as the Spurs. Tonight we held our own, tied or took the lead a few times, and looked like we could have pulled a win if we got the right calls DESPITE missing some key players. So, losing a well fought game isn't as bad as being totally humiliated, right?:eek: I wouldn't give Webber a D, in fact, I would probably be happy with a straight C for him. Given the fact that he was playing in pain due to a hurt ankle, I thought he really stuck in there & gave it his best shot. He just looked like he was in pain tonight, got some bad calls, and was still able to contribute. I think anyone who plays through an injury deserves a little leeway on the grading scale.
i meant it as it was the same result, which was a loss. we fought hard, but the scoreboard still has the L next to the kings like on sunday :(
 
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Evenstar said:
i meant it as it was the same result, which was a loss. we fought hard, but the scoreboard still has the L next to the kings like on sunday :(
Yep, no way to get around that.:( I'm just trying to see the "bright" side, if there is one.
 
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BigWaxer said:
Another stat that jumps out for me is 1-10 from 3 pt land
And that one came from the one who probably shouldn't be taking 3's in the first place.

I'd lower a bit on Adelman for repeatedly drawing plays for Chris even though the broad side of a barn could see how much he struggled(for those who complained about the 2-man game......a lot were called for Chris anyway). Brad was good until the fouls messed his mind up. Mike was hot.....but disappeared like steam.

Chris: every once in a while remember.......you're not a guard.....stop bringing the ball up. He ended up shooting the ball up as soon as he handled up the court. Not a good thing to do.
 

Bricklayer

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Elise10 said:
And that one came from the one who probably shouldn't be taking 3's in the first place.

I'd lower a bit on Adelman for repeatedly drawing plays for Chris even though the broad side of a barn could see how much he struggled(for those who complained about the 2-man game......a lot were called for Chris anyway). Brad was good until the fouls messed his mind up. Mike was hot.....but disappeared like steam.

Chris: every once in a while remember.......you're not a guard.....stop bringing the ball up. He ended up shooting the ball up as soon as he handled up the court. Not a good thing to do.
as an aside, Webb shot 1-7 in the first quarter, was pulled, shot one little jump hook )reasonable shot) that missed in the second quarter before picking up his third foul and going to the bench. So 1-8 first half. Finished 6-17, and only hit 1-3 of those desperation heaves at the end. So figure in the second half before heave-time he shot 5-6. Was going fine there, and really not taking too many shots either.
 
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