Grades v. Sixers 1/15/10

So what needs the most work now that Kevin has returned?

  • Casspi still has to get his shots

    Votes: 4 5.7%
  • Greene has to still play, somehow, some way

    Votes: 25 35.7%
  • Kevin has to play some defense

    Votes: 12 17.1%
  • Reke can't be thrown out of rhythm

    Votes: 9 12.9%
  • Beno has to be more assertive off the bench

    Votes: 3 4.3%
  • Nocioni has to be banished to the bench

    Votes: 8 11.4%
  • Nocioni has to be showcased for trade

    Votes: 9 12.9%

  • Total voters
    70
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Bricklayer

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#1
Welcome back to early November. Yay.

Boxscore


Casspi ( D ) -- had a little life to start, but completely disappeared after half, and ineffective on defense as well. Splashed in a three to start, stepped out of bounds on a d-rebound, followed with a hoop in the paint. Pretty good all around first stint. But forgotten about offensively as the shots were divied up amongst the other starters, and never did anything else to make you take notice. Finally got another shot in the third and blew on open three courtesy of Reke's penetration. Not able to stop Young on defense in 4th. Probably should have lost some of his minutes to Donte, because just wasn't helping.

Thompson ( B+ ) -- deceptively big numbers, but still a return to some form here and while it seemed to effect Reke the opposite way, maybe the return home was just what was needed to get Jason going once again. Started the game shakily, getting beat on defense by both Iggy and Young, dropping a little post move, and then getting blocked on a drive that ended up bounding to Kevin for the open three. Was aggressive in front of the home fans but results were on and off -- had a follow dunk, then missed a jumper, then airballed a hook. Turned it over at the end of the first. Back in and hit the side jumper. Started the third with the alley oop from Reke and got very active on the boards on both ends of the court. Had defensive issues no matter who he was guarding, but came up with 3 blocks of his own suprising the constant stream of penetrating Sixers. Dunk off a pass from Hawes at the 3:20 mark was kind of his last hurrah, and maybe the last time when it looked like we had any real chance to steal what was a poor game for us. 19pts 16rebs 5ast 3blks...it was a great stat line. But merely a good game. Hopefully good enough to shake him out of his slump.

Hawes ( B- ) -- semi-aggressive game for Spencer, although Dalmebert dominated the matchup. Started off blowing a chippee layup, but it got called goaltending and went into the scoring column anyway. Hit on a side jumper. Back in to start the second and had a shot blocked by Brand (adn could not stop him the other way). A nice little reverse hit. Came out in the third and benefitted from a new Philly strategy as they started to double Kevin because of Iverson's inept defense, and Specner was the guy left open. Kevin hit him repeatedly, and being Spencer that of course meant three point shots (I'm not sure if it occurred to Spencer that if he instead went down inside that would a) prevent Kevin from being doubled so easily, and b) mean that if they did double off of him he would be open 10 feet from the hoop). An alley oop from Evans sent him to the line, and one of several tims he flew to the hoop aggressively during the game. Good pass to Thompson for the dunk at the 3:20 mark, but came back to brick an ill advised three at the 2:45 mark as we slid away. As often occurs in these writeups, that's mostly offensive stuff. On the other side got outrebounded 12-6 and I am not sure Dalmebert or Brand (a combined 13-15) missed a single shot while he was guarding them. So a soft game by Spencer, but at least a semi-effective one.

Martin ( B- ) -- watched this one closely of course, and Kevin really looked pretty just like Kevin. No real noticeable rust. No real change positive or negative in his game. I do think as it went along that maybe he pulled down the ball a few times on things that he would normally shoot -- perhaps a conscious awareness of not taking all the shots. But then again maybe he just wasn't feeling confident off of the long layoff. So here's the semi play by play -- you can make up tour own mind:
lost Iverson on defense to start, missed his first shot off a screen, then had a three hit in his face by Wiliams. Beat Iverson and then blew the layup. On and off defense on Iverson who repeatedly got int he lane but could not finish. Got his first hit on an open three, but came back down and got caught on a pick and did not fight through it allowing penetration again. Used his size to post Iverson to get to the rim. Hit a side jumper. Bad pass turnover. Started the 2nd drawing a foul. Grabbed a d-board. Traveled. In and out three. Got back to back illegal screens set against him (although ont he secodn he jsut appeared to trip over Dalmebert's foot). Some more moments of shaky defense, caught on picks, not getting back. Had a near steal near the close of the 2nd out of some zone defense up top. Started the third missing a shot, then hit a pair of FTs. Did not get down to pick up a loose ball. Did his run into the guy and draw a foul thing on Iverson to take lead in third. Actually started to get doubled and passed it to Hawes for open jumpers. Another create contact on Iverson. An open three. Iverson more effective when Kevin was not there. Picked off a bad pass in open court then missed the leaning jumper. Could not hit in early 4th. Returned at the 5:30 for Beno. Bad defense on Iverson at the 4;45 mark. Traveled at the 4:30 mark. Helped create a turnover at the 4:03 mark. Nothing thereafter.
So whadya think? I think...it was Kevin. A few less shots than normal. But otherwise played his game. I would argue his presence disrupted a number of our players, which BTW would be predictable with almost any major player coming back. But Kevin himself? Largely played a familiar game: 19pts 3rebs 2ast. If there was a disappointment it would just have been that I had assumed that he was going to be really bearing down on defense trying to prove the naysayers wrong -- but while he sometimes cut off Iverson, he was also still sometimes lazy and did not do much of a job fighting through picks or recovering once beat. That of course will bear watching.

Evans ( D- ) -- nice take to start, and one of the last nice moments he would have. Should have passed it on a break where he took it all the way into traffic and had it deflected out of bounds. Drive but got it blocked by Young. Forcing drives to no effect in there. Nothing falling at the rim again. Finally got to the line near the end of the half, followed with another layup. Started the third with a pair of FTs, but soon was back to the struggle. Sixers did a nice job closing down the lane on him, but he was also ovepenetrating, and the passes he kicked out were often late. Began to get a little furstrated I think and tried the jumper -- that wasn't going either. Picked up a breakaway foul after returning in the 4th. Took it on the break at 5:00 mark finally getting to the hoop. Turned it over at the 3:50 mark on the drive. Steal but missed layup at 1:15. Defense on the night was unusually spotty -- some good plays, 3 steals, but also got picked and beat an unusal amoount of times for him. Note that both Philly's guards are very quick. Saved the F here largely because his assist number should have been higher -- Omri in particular seems to have taken it upon himself to brick any wide open shot Reke creates for him. Final note: when reke's family was in town for the holidays, he played a poor game against the Lakers, and then got hurt. I jokingly said at the time that I did not want them visiting anymore. Now he returns home and again struggles. Wonder if they hop the train to see him in Washington tommorow? :eek:
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Bench

Udrih ( C ) -- missed his first shot from the side, and was pretty invisible with nothing in his frist stint. Hit a little jumper finally. In the third returned and hit on a cut after Kevin being doubled started a multi-pass sequence. Knocked down an open three in early 4th to get us back to 1. Bad crosscourt pass to Reke picked off leading to a Reke flagrant foul. In an early change to our tactics with Kevin back, Beno was taken out rather than put in for the stretch run. Back in after it was over, and missed a g-time jumper. Never any push from him this time, and did not really runt he team either. Hit some scattered shots, that was it.

Udoka ( C- ) -- missed his first shot, but then hit a corner three. Seemed to be trying to do too much out there and tunred it over repeatedly. Got into trouble inside to start the 4th, resulting in another TO and minuts were limited.

Brockman ( C ) -- grabbed an early o-reb but missed the follow. some good defense in early second. But also grabbed a d-board and made a dumb full court turnover trying to throw it out ahead to Kevin. Got called for defensive basket interference in late 3rd. Was left totally unguarded as the Sixers blatantly disrespected his outside game, and bricked the open jumper when he took it.

Nocioni ( INC ) -- scruggly first half stint, taking ill advised shots again. Was able to get to the line once. No effect otherwise, and early returns of Martin's return have him possibly joining Green and Sergio on the deep bench heap. Highly dangerous to attempts to trade him.

Greene ( INC ) -- this one pissed me off. The forgotten man, and against a team he was close to having a big game against last time we faced them. Finally got in for the final 2 seconds of the 3rd and challenged the final shot. Was not back in until the last 2 minutes of basically garbagetime. Drove and blocked by Dalembert.

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suffered back to back terrible defense on the break in the first half. Donte was our most painful casualty of the minutes crunch. When Cisco returns as well... According to the postgame wrapup video, this was the first time since Nov. 18th that a team has failed to scoe at least 90 against the Sixers.
 
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Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#5
Reke deserves an F tonight. Just flatter than the Great Plains tonight.

Omri gets a D from me tonight. Just did absolutely nothing tonight.

Nocioni until he proves otherwise, deserves a G.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#7
I think the defnitive answer is that SOMEONE wearing purplre really needed to show they know the word "defense" let alone actually play some.
 
#8
Donte Greene needs minutes. It's not like the Wallace situation where we are trying to win now...I've said it before, as have many others, but he's phenomenal when he's 'on', but he's just not consistent. His minutes were sporadic before, and now he's relegated to garbage time? That's not going to help his consistency. Unless we're showcasing players for a potential trade, Donte needs to play. It's not like we won the game, anyway.

What's the worst he could do? Miss his shots? Make dumb turnovers? Status quo tonight, and we know he would have at least tried to play defense.
 
#9
Donte Greene needs minutes. It's not like the Wallace situation where we are trying to win now...I've said it before, as have many others, but he's phenomenal when he's 'on', but he's just not consistent. His minutes were sporadic before, and now he's relegated to garbage time? That's not going to help his consistency. Unless we're showcasing players for a potential trade, Donte needs to play. It's not like we won the game, anyway.
agreed, now that we are getting some bodies back we really shouldnt be wasting any minutes on Udoka.

Hey im grateful for some of his games , and thank god he was in for the Chi game but time to start looking at the future.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#10
Can I just say that Samuel Dalembert deserves an A+++? With everything that he's been dealing with he still seemed to block every single shot our guys threw up there.
 
#14
Welcome back to early November. Yay.


Casspi ( D ) -- had a little life to start, but completely disappeared after half, and ineffective on defense as well. Splashed in a three to start, stepped out of bounds on a d-rebound, followed with a hoop in the paint. Pretty good all around first stint. But forgotten about offensively as the shots were divied up amongst the other starters, and never did anything else to make you take notice. Finally got another shot in the third and blew on open three courtesy of Reke's penetration. Not able to stop Young on defense in 4th. Probably should have lost some of his minutes to Donte, because just wasn't helping.
I doubt it if there is any point to judge Omri by his pre Kevin lines anymore.
 
#15
Have to say that the last thing I expected with Kevin coming back was for Donte to be completely benched. With Udoka and Noc still getting minutes. If this strategy holds true does that mean Casspi is teh next to lose time when Garcia comes back? Didn't like seeing it at all.

Kevin played a solid game while most others played poorly but the chemistry change was palpable. It just looked like the team as a whole was having less fun than they have since the last time we saw Kevin and it looked like there was significantly less fire than we've seen recently as well. Even in the Orlando meltdown guys were actively pissed as things fell apart and there was fire in their eyes. Tonight it looked like a whole load of "meh" as Phili pulled away. I'm sincerely hoping that it was because they traveled yesterday, but I'm worried that the guys who were our on court leaders while Kevin was out were deferring to the guy whose been around the longest, which could have been why we looked so much more even tempered.
 
#17
Donte Greene needs minutes. It's not like the Wallace situation where we are trying to win now...I've said it before, as have many others, but he's phenomenal when he's 'on', but he's just not consistent. His minutes were sporadic before, and now he's relegated to garbage time? That's not going to help his consistency. Unless we're showcasing players for a potential trade, Donte needs to play. It's not like we won the game, anyway.

What's the worst he could do? Miss his shots? Make dumb turnovers? Status quo tonight, and we know he would have at least tried to play defense.
Please don't give in to this argument. It's more important to win a game. Of course we didn't but don't weaken, play you best.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#19
Sorry but didnt the sixers just wax us at home w/o Kevin too. Sometimes teams just have anothers number. The Kings played the same then too.

Different. We get Kevin back. We get Tyreke back. And we score 20 fewer points. First time Philly has held anybody under 90pts since Nov. 18 (so says the wrapup video).
 
#20
Very athletic frontcourt opponents give fits to our "big men" and Reke's ability to get to the basket. Tonight was just another example. That said, too many turnovers and slow defense.
 
#21
Too much 1:1, we should have learned from the last weeks- only team basketball wins games.
Will be interesting how coach W. will react..
 
#22
if rekes layups went in we could have won the game. not making excuses for him.. there are nights when its just not your night. this doesnt equate that rekes numbers will drop when kmart is back. he had ample touches they just didnt go in..... martins numbers would the ones that will drop imo if he is willing to accept the role of 2nd tier scorer which is what he is better at
 
#23
Reke bad night on layups
Omri off night on shooting, less attempts
Kevin not bad for first night back
Ime and Noce gobbling up Donte's minutes
Turnovers

= Kings loss
 

Entity

Hall of Famer
#24
yeah we actually played better defense against the sixers than we did at home. They put up 116 on us in Sacramento. Also I am sorry I am just not buying the Kevin Martins defense was the problem tonight. Thats bull. Its Allen Iverson come on. He put up 20 on us in Sacramento. He has put up 40pts on the best defenders in the league his entire career. sure he isn't the 100% AI he used to be but he isn't exactly Brad Miller either.

Turnovers are our problem and we got out hustled. Some easy shots were missed by EVERYBODY not just Tyreke. Then we had wasted minutes by a few players that went invisible on us. JT and Spencer are coming around offensivly we need to take care of the ball and not force drives or shots.
 
#25

Turnovers are our problem and we got out hustled. Some easy shots were missed by EVERYBODY not just Tyreke. Then we had wasted minutes by a few players that went invisible on us. JT and Spencer are coming around offensivly we need to take care of the ball and not force drives or shots.
Agree. Move the ball, treasure it, be patient and defend, defend, defend. Cut down on burns.
 
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Reke bad night on layups
Omri off night on shooting, less attempts
Kevin not bad for first night back
Ime and Noce gobbling up Donte's minutes
Turnovers

= Kings loss
37% shooting and some of the worst defense any team can play helped with the loss as well.

Both times we've played the Sixers we've made them look elite and made ourselves look like garbage.
 
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