[Grades] Grades v. Rockets 3/26/12

IT and MT played 95 minutes and shot 12-35, who should have got some of those mins?

  • Reke

    Votes: 18 38.3%
  • Jimmer

    Votes: 15 31.9%
  • Cisco

    Votes: 3 6.4%
  • Williams

    Votes: 8 17.0%
  • nobody -- we played it right

    Votes: 3 6.4%

  • Total voters
    47
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1


Alright, DeMarcus has my permission to go into the lockerroom and slap around some "teammates" this time. Our guardline got atrociously selfish for no reason at all (selfishness comes off better if you don't combine to shoot 12-35) on the Boogiemonster's career night. Maybe we lose anyway, but when your center chews up the oppostion to the tune of 38pts 14rebs on 15-26 shooting, you know where the ball should go just about every frickin time?

Grrr.

Boxscore

Evans ( C+ ) -- got off to such an amazing start to this one that everythign that came after was a disappointment. Was using quickness and skill to overwhelm Parson early. and getting his hands on absolutely everything on defense with steals and blocks triggering our early break -- had 3steals and a block within the first 6 minutes of the game, on his way to a career high 6 steals for the game. But the offense never did get on track, as he was having problems getting the ball from his sticky fingered teammates, and when he did he was blocked several times in the early going by the Rockets goalies (and fouled at least once too on a blatant no call). Turnovers started piling up as you could see the problems with him not getting the ball, and he was forcing whenever he did. Stepped into a passing lane to grab another steal, his 5th of the half, on the final play before halftime, and raced out for the open court layup. Came out in the third and maybe trying to help too much, as he was out of position and Parsons got three early layups. Just forcing too much, not able to finish himself and not getting the calls but set up guys pretty well. Got froze out by his coach again in the 4th as a coach who specializes in bizarre rotations apparently consaiderd Reke and Williams a pure platoon, played IT and MT until they dropped, and as long as Williams remained hot, Reke sat. Which is to say almsot the whole 4th. Added a Couple layups in OT.

Greene ( B ) -- competed well against Scola in the early going, and had a spectacular drive from the three point line for a big reverse jam. Then out on the break threw a behind the head pass to Cousins for the finish on the break, and a big offensive rebound flush as well. Was all over th offensive glass in the early going and triggering our running game explosion. Maybe got a little too encouraged and shot happy after a bit though and while he was competing well on defense the whole game o a matchup that did not look great (Scola) he slowed way down in other aspects. Was missing the corner threes he needs to hit. Got back in late in OT with Hayes punchless play finally getting our attention, and did a good job looming over Boykins at the 1:00 mark of OT forcing a TO.

Cousins ( A+ ) -- Boogiemonster. So basically tore into a Rockets team featuring not one, but two defensive stoppers in the middle (Dalembert and Camby) and dominated them on the way to his career game. And it felt EASY. Got off to the much bigger more active start against Daly after the debacle of their first meeting this year. Made nice plays on either end on one early possession, stripping a guard on one end to start the break, then running out and touch passing the ball to Thornton on the other end for the finsih on the break. Back in as we had to emergency sub in our starters for an incompetent bench and immediately hit Hayes with a great pass for a layup, then followed it with a jumper from the side. Didn't want to pick up offensive fouls, so was cutting off his drives rather than charging. Then just stepped outside and starting draining midrange jumpers, leaving the Rockets with truly no answer. Started the second half immediately driving by Daly for the +1, but missed the FT. Went into full beast mode as he dominated in the early 4th again, racking up 11 points in the first half of the quarter alone. But somewhere in here a fly apeared in his ointment, in the person of former Kentucky teammate Patrick Patterson. Now Patterson is not a center. And he's not a particularly special player. He's a tough, undersized PF. But he knows DeMarcus's and his game made it personal, and wasn't working with the burden of having already carried a team for 3/4 or having to fight his chucking guards for the ball. And he went right at a tiring Cousins using his mobility and facing game and probably actually outplayed Boogie from the mid-4th onward. Largely because Patterson was fronting him, and nobody was willing or able to feed him, suddenly DeMarcus's offense went away late, and if I were the sort of grader who would knock the + off of a young center's career 38pt 14reb game that would have been the excuse to do so. But again, I am not that grader. Nonetheless, in the end the other guy closed, not Cousins. Stole the ball at the 2:00 mark up top and went down the other way and got fouled -- should have dished though. Split the pair, but grabbed the monster follow of his own miss and finshed for his 36th point. At the end of OT added one more silly iimpressive play with a one handed snatch of an offensive rebound and finish over the rim.

Thornton ( B- ) -- scored a lot of poiints, but played this game like he had a shot quota to meet or something. Was struggling to finish layups in the early going over Dalembert and lost Lee several times early as Lee was the ony Rocket scoring. Sure was gunnng though with something like 9 first quarter shots alone, and eventualy they began to fall. Yet another blown end of quarter play for us, going too quick, committing an offensive foul, and just generally not what we wanted. Very strong and aggressive aroudn the offensive glass again -- think that's 8 offensive rebounds and no deensive rebounds in the last two games as he's been exploding in there after loose balls to finsih up. Again misplayed the end of half opportunity, driving too early and turning it over trying to dish to Hayes -- have to ask Coach Smart is Marcus Thronton really the decisionmaker you want running end of quarter plays for you? Played selfishly in the third as our offense ground to a halt with the ball stuck firmly in the hands of whichever guard touched it first. Boogie carried us through the early 4th, but down the stretch Marcus seemd to get a really bad case of the heroes, possibly aided and abetted by the bench. Wasn't looking to pass, wasn't going to pass, was goign to win the game 1 on 1 damnit. And while it was mostly brick after brick, he did make one impossible ugly force that somehow went in to put us up with 20 seconds to go -- a competent defensive team could have and should have rode that to victory. We are not however. Missed the three for the win at the buzzer as again he considered that his shot and we was going to take it. 27 points in this one, but this was not a satisfactory team game from Marcus and the selfishness down the stretch especially by our guards just killed us. You could feel the difference in thi one in tone from anything we've done for the last couple of weeks.

Thomas ( C ) -- just quicker than Dragic in the early going forcing the Rockets to turn to Earl Boynkins. Was also doing an excellent job all game long of little man rebounding, coming up with 8 of them mostly along the defensive baseline. But there were flashes of too much shot happiness from early in the game as he threw up some real junk rather than give the ball up. Was a bad matchup for Dragic right until he wasn't, but found that Boykins was even quicker than he was and got beat off the dribble several times in the 3rd. Made a difference when he switched into passing mode in the early 4th, and all of a sudden our offense unfroze and Boogie was dominating the game. But then started shooting again and we restalled. Things got compounded as Dragic seemed to figure him out, and began to take over late in the game. Poor decisionmaking down the stretch killed us again. Bad turnover up top at the 4:00 mark, and compounded it by fouling Dragic from behind and givng the Rockets a 3pt play to cut the lead to 1. The defensive issues and sticky fingers on offense actually saw him repeatedly subbed out for Williams in the late going. Got his three blocked in the early OT, ad dwas again replaced by Wiliams for part of the OT. Back in at the 1:00 mark, fed Cousins in the post despite him being fronted, but was too small to finish on the give and go. Made a final dumb mistake at the 22 second mark, trying to pressure Boykins, with us down 3 and 7 seconds difference between the game and shot clocks -- all we had to do was play solid defense, get the ball back, and we'd have a chance to tie the game and force a second OT. Instead IT jumped all over Boykins, who you aren't going to strip anyway, and fouled him for no reason thus putting us down 5 and it was goodnight.

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Bench

Hayes ( C ) -- basically WAS our bench until our Coach suddenly and rather bizarrely discovered terrence Williams again in the 4th. Ealry game was defined by what he was trying to do, but failing at, as he was one of the few Kings really trying to pass, but he just missed and missed again throwing guys bad passes at their feet, behind, them, into traffic, on miscommunications. Got credited with 3 TOs, but had at least a couple of more that went into the ledgers of the guys he was passing to. Basically split time with Donte at PF, and was modestly effecitve if that. Grabbed some reobunds tonight, so there was that. But not terribly effective defensively against his old mates, as Scola and Patterson chewed Cousins and Hayes up in the 6th, scoring 20 of the 28 Houston points int he quarter. And the other way Chuck's lack of offense was posing a problem as the Rockets were soft doubling Cousins with their bigs and just ignoring Chuck behind them. In what were probably the two most critical defensive plays/mistakes of the night, Chuck twice got setiched off onto Dragic in the final minute -- both times because Terrence Williams decided to swithc plays rather than follow his man. The Rockets scored both times, and to OT we went.

Salmons ( INC ) -- was thinking 1 on 1 after entering, and the reserves only lated 3 1/2 minutes before we went back to the starters. John never returned because of a sore something or other.

Fredette ( INC ) -- we let him play this time, thinking that Dragic was a matchup he could handle. But he sand the backup creew only lasted 3 minutes before Smart had seen enough. Bakc in in the final 20 seconds for desperation three chucking time, and missed one at the OT buzzer.

Outlaw ( INC ) -- part of the all backup crew that was so bad that we had to emergency sub back in basically the entire starting lineup. Managed to fit a turnover and msised shot into his 3 minutes of time.

Garcia ( INC ) -- only got a couple of minutes out there with the wildly ineffective bench group in the second before we emergency subbed the starters back in en masse. Back out there in the final desperation seconds, and missed a deperation three.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Williams ( B ) -- I think clearly wanted to send a message to the Rockets, his former team, here. In for the first time in the 3rd for MT and immediately came up with an aggressive rebound. Hit a corner three from Reke near the end of the 3rd to break the tie and give us the lead. Athleticism on defense impressive and gave us some minutes of defense while Reke was out. Hit a second three a couple minutes later and just kept on taking them. Dribbled through and drained an 8th point in the quarter. Scored consistently enough that coach refused to reneter Tyreke in the 4th. May have hurt us by unnecessarly switching on the Rockets possession at the 50 second mark, leaving Hayes on Dragic as the Rockets tied. Happened again on the next Rockets possesion as once again the Rockets tied. Why the switches? The picks were weak, he could easily have stayed on Dragic. Is that really the scheme? Making a quick case for a longer deal, assuming he is ok behind the scenes.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#4
So, wtf happened? No defense once again?

And holy **** Boogie
An accumulation of the dumb errors that plague us on defense, and selfishness on offense. Williams for no reason at all switched on two late possessions with Hayes, leaving Hayes on Dragic and getting us scored on both times. IT lost control of Dragic late, Cousins lost control of Patterson late, and Reke drifted off Parsons. Then IT finished us with a complete non-thinking foul wiht us down 3, 22 secodns to go in OT, and 29 seconds left on the shot clok. We stop them, we have a chance to tie. IT takes the foul for no good reason and suddenly we are down 5 and done.
 

SacTownKid

Hall of Famer
#5
An accumulation of the dumb errors that plague us on defense, and selfishness on offense. Williams for no reason at all switched on two late possessions with Hayes, leaving Hayes on Dragic and getting us scored on both times. IT lost control of Dragic late, Cousins lost control of Patterson late, and Reke drifted off Parsons. Then IT finished us with a complete non-thinking foul wiht us down 3, 22 secodns to go in OT, and 29 seconds left on the shot clok. We stop them, we have a chance to tie. IT takes the foul for no good reason and suddenly we are down 5 and done.
Hayes stopped him cold that second time. Cousins left Patterson open up top on that play.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#6
Hayes stopped him cold that second time. Cousins left Patterson open up top on that play.
Your Hayes love is ridiculous. In this case in a situation where excessive defensiveness isn't even warranted -- there is no shame on Hayes on having to give ground against a PG. Should never be in that situation. Cousins came over to help Hayes make Dragic give it up, that was the whole reason Patterson got left open. Both times that switch broke the defense. Nobody in particular screwed up after the intial mistake, but rather never had a chance. Might be on Williams being the new guy and not understanding. Or might be on Smart -- he had us switching everything at one point there. Very clearly at this point in the game though you can't afford those matchups, and both times Terrence had more than enoguh room and athleticism to fight over the screen and stick to the play himself. Hayes and Cousins did the best they could, but the play was already lost.
 
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An accumulation of the dumb errors that plague us on defense, and selfishness on offense. Williams for no reason at all switched on two late possessions with Hayes, leaving Hayes on Dragic and getting us scored on both times. IT lost control of Dragic late, Cousins lost control of Patterson late, and Reke drifted off Parsons. Then IT finished us with a complete non-thinking foul wiht us down 3, 22 secodns to go in OT, and 29 seconds left on the shot clok. We stop them, we have a chance to tie. IT takes the foul for no good reason and suddenly we are down 5 and done.
I think it's time for Smart to wake up and put one of IT, Thornton or Reke in the 6th man role for good. I don't even care who it is at this point, but it's pretty damn obvious all 3 can't coexist on offense, especially with a Boogie Monster who needs 16+ shots a game.

Another problem that's suddenly arisen is Boogie getting dominated on defense by guys like Patterson, Al Jeff, and David Lee who by no means are elite players in this league. It doesn't matter how many good defensive role players we put around him, he still has to be able to shut down guys like that on the defensive end
 
#8
I give Thomas a big fat F! I also think he's hit a selfish wall and needs to go directly to some deep part of the bench for awhile.

I don't know if you ever gave IT the total flunk grade Brick, but damit he deserves it tonight. The only way he could have escaped with a grade D IMO was if he'd said to Smart, "don't put me back in coach, the guys in there are doing ok," like Reke did not long ago in another game.
 

SacTownKid

Hall of Famer
#9
Your Hayes love is ridiculous. In this case in a situation where excessive defensiveness isn't even warranted -- there is no shame on Hayes on having to give ground against a PG. Should never be in that situation. Cousins came over to help Hayes make Dragic give it up, that was the whole reason Patterson got left open. Both times that switch broke the defense. BNObody in particular screwed up after the intial mistake, but ratehr never had a chacne.

Hahaha, despite what you believe fact is fact, sorry your "hatred" (if I "love" Hayes) got in the way of reality there. Just pointing out a fact. Problem with that? Speak to truth about it.

Oh and BTW, the mistake was made when Cousins helped on Dragic when he had nowhere to go. Check the video.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#10
Hahaha, despite what you believe fact is fact, sorry your "hatred" (if I "love" Hayes) got in the way of reality there. Just pointing out a fact. Problem with that? Speak to truth about it.

Oh and BTW, the mistake was made when Cousins helped on Dragic when he had nowhere to go. Check the video.
There were 9 seconds left in the game with their PG isolated at the top of the key against our stubby PF. In all liklihood he was going to get whatever he wanted out of that situation.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#12
Another problem that's suddenly arisen is Boogie getting dominated on defense by guys like Patterson, Al Jeff, and David Lee who by no means are elite players in this league. It doesn't matter how many good defensive role players we put around him, he still has to be able to shut down guys like that on the defensive end
Well that's been a problem for much of the year. Its why its so cirtical to get a stud defender in there next to him who can erase mistakes and give gusy somethign else to think about. Cousins was not in foul toruble in this one -- a blessing. But also maybe a sign that he was backing off on defense in order to stay in the game. Double edged sword.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#13
The Kings also did a good job of defending Demarcus in overtime too. You'd think they'd try to give the guy with 36 points the damn ball every once in a while.
 
#15
i thomas isnt a closer to me so idk why hes out thre in the ending minutes of the game his size has somthing to do with that i thought smart shoulda kept williams out there he was looking great..i think its time for it to go to the bench and come in as the 6th man
 
#16
I think it's time for Smart to wake up and put one of IT, Thornton or Reke in the 6th man role for good. I don't even care who it is at this point, but it's pretty damn obvious all 3 can't coexist on offense, especially with a Boogie Monster who needs 16+ shots a game.

Another problem that's suddenly arisen is Boogie getting dominated on defense by guys like Patterson, Al Jeff, and David Lee who by no means are elite players in this league. It doesn't matter how many good defensive role players we put around him, he still has to be able to shut down guys like that on the defensive end
Al Jefferson and David Lee are both putting up nearly 20 and 10 this season. Maybe not elite, but the leading scorers on both of there teams. Asking Boogie to slow down the leading scorer on the other team and to be the best offensive player on our team every night is asking too much. Very few players in the history of basketball could sustain that type of effort every night. All of them are in the HOF. He needs help down there.
 
#17
Question?

Who thinks Smart would have the support to bench IT given the ROY campaign?
If he doesn't do it, it proves he's dumb as a skunk and can't even bench a rookie who is hurting his team - especially in crunch time. The idea of "support" is nonsense IMO - he's the damn head coach and clearly can do it. The ROY campaign for IT is a ridiculous joke. There's no buzz in Houston for Connor Parsons to be ROY even though he's as good or better than IT at this point and tonight scored the critical 4 pts to put Rockets up 107-102 and drive a steak in the dumb Kings.
 
#18
Wow I missed this one(forgot there was a game) and DMC went off. Looks like Isaiah and MT chucked their way to an L though. What exactly happened here?
 
#19
There were 9 seconds left in the game with their PG isolated at the top of the key against our stubby PF. In all liklihood he was going to get whatever he wanted out of that situation.
He stopped him. Not woulda, coulda, shoulda, Dragic was stopped. Don't necessarily want to see Hayes guarding the other teams PG myself, but what happened happened. Merely pointed that out. And you come back with "Hayes love" and "stubby PF" to prove what exactly? If you want to discuss the matter come back with facts of your own, not reasoning for your dislike of a particular player.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#20
He stopped him. Not woulda, coulda, shoulda, Dragic was stopped. Don't necessarily want to see Hayes guarding the other teams PG myself, but what happened happened. Merely pointed that out. And you come back with "Hayes love" and "stubby PF" to prove what exactly? If you want to discuss the matter come back with facts of your own, not reasoning for your dislike of a particular player.

Agree or disagree, it still doesn't change the fact that T-Will shouldn't have switched off when he did
 
#21
Well that's been a problem for much of the year. Its why its so cirtical to get a stud defender in there next to him who can erase mistakes and give gusy somethign else to think about. Cousins was not in foul toruble in this one -- a blessing. But also maybe a sign that he was backing off on defense in order to stay in the game. Double edged sword.
Yes and no. An Ibaka type would certainly make a world of difference, but if Boogie wants to be an elite player, he has to be able to shut the average players down. His 38/14 night is freaking awesome, but it doesn't mean nearly as much when he gives up 24 to a scrub like Patterson. Boogie needs to learn to use his superb offensive footwork on the defensive end to get better positioning. He can very easily be a defender in the mold of LAL Shaq who knew how to use his huge body and long arms to be a defensive presence in the paint.
 
#22
Al Jefferson and David Lee are both putting up nearly 20 and 10 this season. Maybe not elite, but the leading scorers on both of there teams. Asking Boogie to slow down the leading scorer on the other team and to be the best offensive player on our team every night is asking too much. Very few players in the history of basketball could sustain that type of effort every night. All of them are in the HOF. He needs help down there.
David Lee and Al Jeff are both fine players, but Boogie has to be able to slow players of that caliber down better than he's shown the ability too. Letting Al Jeff get 26 on 19 shots and David flirt with a triple double is just lack of effort on defense for a player as talented as DeMarcus.
 
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rainmaker

Hall of Famer
#23
Yes and no. An Ibaka type would certainly make a world of difference, but if Boogie wants to be an elite player, he has to be able to shut the average players down. His 38/14 night is freaking awesome, but it doesn't mean nearly as much when he gives up 24 to a scrub like Patterson. Boogie needs to learn to use his superb offensive footwork on the defensive end to get better positioning. He can very easily be a defender in the mold of LAL Shaq who knew how to use his huge body and long arms to be a defensive presence in the paint.
Thing about Cuz is he has an incredibly fast learning curve. While his D has a ways to go, it's light years ahead of last year. I think he'll keep improving, but at 21 I'd wish if our FO gave him a little freakin help down there.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#24
Yes and no. An Ibaka type would certainly make a world of difference, but if Boogie wants to be an elite player, he has to be able to shut the average players down. His 38/14 night is freaking awesome, but it doesn't mean nearly as much when he gives up 24 to a scrub like Patterson. Boogie needs to learn to use his superb offensive footwork on the defensive end to get better positioning. He can very easily be a defender in the mold of LAL Shaq who knew how to use his huge body and long arms to be a defensive presence in the paint.
Patterson hasn't exactly been a scrub this year though. He's definitely been developing under McHale.

Cuz is never going to be a Shaq level defender. Shaq was 7'3", 350 pounds and had athleticism that makes Blake Griffin look like fat Shawn Kemp.
 
#25
Agree or disagree, it still doesn't change the fact that T-Will shouldn't have switched off when he did
There is no agree or disagree, he stopped him, period. I agree on your point however, I would much rather see a wing player fight that screen and not just settle for the switch, but it worked, can't really sandbag after the fact. If you want to do that might as well bag on Williams for taking those 3's he hit, he's not a good shooter you know!
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#26
He stopped him. Not woulda, coulda, shoulda, Dragic was stopped. Don't necessarily want to see Hayes guarding the other teams PG myself, but what happened happened. Merely pointed that out. And you come back with "Hayes love" and "stubby PF" to prove what exactly? If you want to discuss the matter come back with facts of your own, not reasoning for your dislike of a particular player.
He "stopped him" for about 4 seconds after the pick and roll, with Cousins coming over to take away the drive left to boot. In most cases what people would call that is the PG squaring up the PF. Then the pain starts.
 
#27
Patterson hasn't exactly been a scrub this year though. He's definitely been developing under McHale.

Cuz is never going to be a Shaq level defender. Shaq was 7'3", 350 pounds and had athleticism that makes Blake Griffin look like fat Shawn Kemp.
I've been impressed by Cousins and his defense really. He's young, he's no shotblocker but he has pretty quick feet on D. Patterson and Scola really beat the Kings with spot shooting and hustle plays more than anything. It wasn't like Patterson just took it to Cousins one on one or anything. Getting out to shooters doesn't take anything super special other than knowledge and court awareness.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#28
There is no agree or disagree, he stopped him, period. I agree on your point however, I would much rather see a wing player fight that screen and not just settle for the switch, but it worked, can't really sandbag after the fact. If you want to do that might as well bag on Williams for taking those 3's he hit, he's not a good shooter you know!
FOR 4-5 SECONDS. You act like he was dancing with Dragic for 20 seconds, because again you have a vested interst in making Hayes look good by any means. All that happened was Dragic didn't go straight to the hoop right off the switch. That's nice. That hardly settles the issue and Hayes was still at a major disadvantage. Any team in the league will take their PG against your PF iso'd for the game winning/tying shot. In fact the pick and switch gave the Rockets absolutely exactly the situation they wanted both times. And both times we paid.
 
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#29
Patterson hasn't exactly been a scrub this year though. He's definitely been developing under McHale.

Cuz is never going to be a Shaq level defender. Shaq was 7'3", 350 pounds and had athleticism that makes Blake Griffin look like fat Shawn Kemp.
7pts 4 boards in 22 minutes on 45% shooting is a guy DeMarcus should be able to shut down with ease
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#30
Patterson hasn't exactly been a scrub this year though. He's definitely been developing under McHale.

Cuz is never going to be a Shaq level defender. Shaq was 7'3", 350 pounds and had athleticism that makes Blake Griffin look like fat Shawn Kemp.
7'1". Ok, let's not have Shaq take on truly mythic Paul Bunyan proportions. :p

Cousins is not freakishly huge though. He's only average height for a center, so his lack of lift really is a limiting factor. He's not a 7-footer who can block shots or loom over people even wihtout athleticism. He's not going to be that anchor. We desperately need to find that anchor this offseason. Larry Nance was the guy they put next to Daugherty. We don't need that offense, but the pogo stick shotblocker is the key.