[Grades] Grades v. Raptors 11/6/2016

Which Kings guard did the best job tonight?

  • Afflalo

    Votes: 9 19.1%
  • Lawson

    Votes: 3 6.4%
  • Farmar

    Votes: 10 21.3%
  • Temple

    Votes: 25 53.2%

  • Total voters
    47
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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A nice roadtrip saving closing win that could be one of those important little moments in a season as we return home with several winnable games upcoming. If you come on home, beat the Pelicans and the Lakers, and suddenly you are 5-5 as you face another murderous early stretch of games (@POR, SAN, LAC, TOR) , and trying rapidly to forget what all the fuss was about out on that road trip.

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Starters

Featured Grade
Gay ( A- ) -- It was sort of the tale of two halves for Rudy. He started the game by forgetting where DeRozan was, who luckily missed a corner three. To keep things even, Gay then missed his own wide open corner three. He then got caught in a screen and this time DeRozan didn't miss. After missing a little 10 footer, getting his own miss and then a putback, he proceeded to miss his next four shots. He did close out the 2nd quarter by splitting a double and finishing with a vicious dunk. After missing a little floater to start the 3rd, he was off to the races. He made two three's down the stretch when we needed them, and played much tougher defense on DeRozan in the second half. All in all, a nice game by Rudy. --Baja

Cousins ( B ) -- would really like to give him more than a B: clearly tired, was often doubled even before he caught it, but he made smart passes and down the stretch he began to square up and blow by his overmatched opponent, and made big defensive plays and boards too to key the victory. But whether it was the legs or just an off night, he was just missing everything, and so have to keep the grade reasonable.

Koufos ( B+ ) -- did a nice solid job both playing along side Cuz, and providing some rebounding and rim defense behind him, and in place of him, where he ran the floor and slipped screen while rolling in his little flip hooks.

Afflalo ( B ) -- quietly played an important role for us, not only showing up on offense this time, but also having primary responsibility on Demar DeRozan, and harassing him into looking like Demar DeRozan rather than this Kobe wannabe form the opening weeks.

Lawson ( C+ ) -- toughie. I thought was pretty much actively hurting us in the first half as the non-shooting thing is just messing up the whole offense. Some size related defensive issues on switches too. But Joerger kept going back to him, and down the stretch ran the team well enough, + while it wasn't Ty, Lowry didn't do much better
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Bench

Barnes ( B- ) -- after an initial burst of hustle and defense, I was worried Matt was playing himself to a 2nd half benching again with back to back bad pass TOs and an inability to hit shots. But Joerger kept the rotation short, went back to him for big 2nd half minutes at PF, and he responded with very solid under the radar work, one damaging foul of a 3pt shooter aside.

Casspi ( C- ) -- did so little in his first half stint that I am not sure we weren;t down to an 8-man rotation in the second half.

Farmar ( B- ) -- thought his game exceeded his numbers tonight. Hit an important long three, and continued to move well and function smoothly like he'd been running the offense for years (which, if its Joerger's offense from last year, Farmar kinda has).

Temple ( B- ) -- had himself a strong enough first stint that I was annoyed at Joerger's rotations that he took him out. Think virtually all of his numbers were in that stretch. Had a bad shaky moment as we were dogfighting with the Raps, and Temple turned it over up top and compounded it by racing back to foul the man on the break for a 3pt play. But overall impression was he and Barnes adding D and ballahndling for major minutes.
 
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McLemore/Cauley-Stein trade coming up?
Trading two young players would be extremely short sighted. We can't give up on a guy like WCS just because he's hitting a rough patch of his career early on. Does this stretch of bad play erase a full season of promising play we saw last year?
 
Remember in pre season how we wondered if Lawson should stay in starting lineup when Darren returns? Yeah, no. He will start and play 35 minutes.
 
After watching Ty struggle so badly, I wouldn't be opposed to just outright releasing him and his unguarenteed contract. He cannot shoot, and his drives into traffic are painful to watch. I didn't watch Prime Denver Lawson, but was he always such an awful shooter? Is he just in a rough stretch; or is this what he is now?

Farmar can shoot, plays in control, and just looks better. And that's after just two games. He'd presumably get better as he learns everyone and the system.

And no matter who stays or goes, there is no doubt the "Who starts at PG" debate has been solved.
 
Lot's of room for decent grades tonight. Only game f the road trip that I watched live. Only game at the center that
I was therefor we won. We're one and one at home and 2 and 4 0n the road. Now we get to see a different team with Collison returning. I liked Joerger's smile this afternoon.
 
Lot's of room for decent grades tonight. Only game f the road trip that I watched live. Only game at the center that
I was therefor we won. We're one and one at home and 2 and 4 0n the road. Now we get to see a different team with Collison returning. I liked Joerger's smile this afternoon.
So what you're saying is you need to watch and attend more games:)
 
I think the biggest positive in this game is that we shut down DeRozan. I also felt like Cuz did a great job hedging Lowry out there.
Biggest negative would be allowing way too many wide open 3s. It felt like almost EVERY 3pt shot that the Raps took, were completely wide open.
To make things worse, before today, the Raptors were only attempting 20 3s/game which is bottom 5, LESS than the Kings. Yet today, they took 30 3s, which would be top 5. Lowry threw in about 2 desperation 3s, but we were still giving them way too many looks. It won't be everyday that good 3pt shooters like PPat, Ross, and Carroll combine for 2-14 from 3pt land.
Lawson is really hard to watch on offense. He has no faith in his 3pt shot, and his lack of moves at the rim leave him prone to get blocked. On defense, I think he did a solid job on Lowry.

Who the hell knew the Kings would finish their road trip 1-4, with their only 1 win coming from Toronto? The Kings really couldn't afford to lose to teams like Miami, Orlando, and Milwaukee. Utah has Hayward back, and they're looking like a top 3 team.
I'm at least glad that DC is coming back. He's been much missed.
 
so out of all the road games they've played, they decide to win this one, and on a back to back? I don't understand. That said, I like this Cousins more, less scoring, more rebounding and blocks, no Valancuinas helps too. I didn't get to watch this whole game but I have a feeling that Toronto just had an off night from three because I saw multiple open looks from Toronto that just didn't drop. Kings caught a break. That said, it's good to have Collison back...an extra scorer is desperately missing.
 
Our strategy tonight seemed to be to lock up Lowry and DeRozan and make the role players step up.

Lowry finished with 15pts shot 5-16

DeRozan 23 pts 7-20

Raptors as a team? 35.7% on 30-84 shooting

Good coaching effort by Joerger and his staff. Credit to the team for continuing to fight after a god-awful performance in Milwaukee.

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These next 3 games are very winnable. The Portland game will be tough, so I hope by then Collison is feeling good and jellying with the team.
 
I didn't watch Prime Denver Lawson, but was he always such an awful shooter? Is he just in a rough stretch; or is this what he is now?

Lawson was QUICK. And I mean REALLY quick. He had a terrific crossover. He could shoot, but he was streaky. More of a volume shooter than a pure one. What he's on now is that he just isn't as athletic. He can't get any separation. Not sure if he isn't taking care of his body still or what, but he looks like's aged 10 years. Without the speed or the verticality, he's scared to go to the rack (and can't finish when he gets there). You take away his ability to drive and guys just press up on him. He's completely ineffective as a result.
 
Trading two young players would be extremely short sighted. We can't give up on a guy like WCS just because he's hitting a rough patch of his career early on. Does this stretch of bad play erase a full season of promising play we saw last year?
If we were to trade WCS, I highly doubt it would be because he has hit a rough patch. It would be because he might not fit into Joerger's system here. It is pretty clear that we expect a fair bit offensively from our bigs. Not just in terms of scoring but passing and creating. WCS is just lost in that role. It is pretty clear that we are expect our bigs to function in a similar manner to what we had with Cousins and Divac (and later on Miller). Don't mistake what you see currently offensively as a final product. Joerger himself said he has implemented about 20% of the offense as he doesn't want to overwhelm the players.

If you think back to the Kings under Adelman, all the bigs were decent passers and did a lot of their work from the high post. WCS looks absolutely lost out there and everything he is trying to do he is telegraphing it. Its pretty obvious to anyone paying attention.
 
If we were to trade WCS, I highly doubt it would be because he has hit a rough patch. It would be because he might not fit into Joerger's system here. It is pretty clear that we expect a fair bit offensively from our bigs. Not just in terms of scoring but passing and creating. WCS is just lost in that role. It is pretty clear that we are expect our bigs to function in a similar manner to what we had with Cousins and Divac (and later on Miller). Don't mistake what you see currently offensively as a final product. Joerger himself said he has implemented about 20% of the offense as he doesn't want to overwhelm the players.

If you think back to the Kings under Adelman, all the bigs were decent passers and did a lot of their work from the high post. WCS looks absolutely lost out there and everything he is trying to do he is telegraphing it. Its pretty obvious to anyone paying attention.
As someone who's been disappointed in Willie, we just can't trade him this early into his 2nd season. We have to be patient with him.

I think he'll start bouncing back at the season goes forward, but if we can't get a positive asset for WCS, there's no need to trade him. He's only 23, with 3 years left, and provides a lot of hustle off the bench. Let's just hope he can put it all together again this season. He had a nice rookie campaign. He could be a key contributor for this team in the long-run, whether off the bench, or a starter.
 
If we were to trade WCS, I highly doubt it would be because he has hit a rough patch. It would be because he might not fit into Joerger's system here. It is pretty clear that we expect a fair bit offensively from our bigs. Not just in terms of scoring but passing and creating. WCS is just lost in that role. It is pretty clear that we are expect our bigs to function in a similar manner to what we had with Cousins and Divac (and later on Miller). Don't mistake what you see currently offensively as a final product. Joerger himself said he has implemented about 20% of the offense as he doesn't want to overwhelm the players.

If you think back to the Kings under Adelman, all the bigs were decent passers and did a lot of their work from the high post. WCS looks absolutely lost out there and everything he is trying to do he is telegraphing it. Its pretty obvious to anyone paying attention.

The problem with Willie this season isn't that he can't score. His problem is not doing the things we drafted him for, like playing good D. I know for a fact we didn't expect him to be a good offensive player in his 2nd year. A shot blocker like him fits into any system...if he can block shots that is.
 
The problem with Willie this season isn't that he can't score. His problem is not doing the things we drafted him for, like playing good D. I know for a fact we didn't expect him to be a good offensive player in his 2nd year. A shot blocker like him fits into any system...if he can block shots that is.
I don't and I doubt the Kings hierarchy expect him to score but they expect him to create and pass which is not good at doing.

IMHO part of his problems defensively is that he is way too lost offensively that it takes away from what he is really good at. It has been a long time since I have seen a player as confused out there as WCS has been recently.
 
If we were to trade WCS, I highly doubt it would be because he has hit a rough patch. It would be because he might not fit into Joerger's system here. It is pretty clear that we expect a fair bit offensively from our bigs. Not just in terms of scoring but passing and creating. WCS is just lost in that role. It is pretty clear that we are expect our bigs to function in a similar manner to what we had with Cousins and Divac (and later on Miller). Don't mistake what you see currently offensively as a final product. Joerger himself said he has implemented about 20% of the offense as he doesn't want to overwhelm the players.

If you think back to the Kings under Adelman, all the bigs were decent passers and did a lot of their work from the high post. WCS looks absolutely lost out there and everything he is trying to do he is telegraphing it. Its pretty obvious to anyone paying attention.

Always room for one low skill hands of stone tough guy on a frontline:

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The problem is imagining Willie as a tough guy is virtually impossible.
 
In regards to WCS, didn't the Toronto big, Siakam or whatever his name is look way more active than what WCS has brought to the table this year. I think that is the version we are supposed to be seeing but he just has a low motor. And no I'm not giving up on the guy but he needs to step it up.
 
Kings were the same team against Toronto as the prior games. No diff whatsoever other than they matched up well against an athletically challenged Toronto team playing with two rooks in their starting roster.

BLOW IT UP!
 
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