Grades v. Nuggets 03/26

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Bricklayer

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Peja ( B+ ) -- was aggressive on offense in the first half, and his shot remained dead on. Mixed in a few inside shots as well. But the Nuggets came out in the third determined to pressure him more, and Peja got off to a rough start in the half and then made matters worse by getting into foul trouble trying to guard a very aggressive Carmelo Anthony in the post. Finally got a couple of freebies at the end of the quarter to get things rolling again, but really was never a significant factor after half. Made a nice inbounds pass to Darius in the 4th -- has shown that ability from time to time this season. Predictably got killed in the hustle categories when matched up with Najera at times, and in general this was back to the classic Peja pretty good game of this year -- good scoring night, one dimensional, better early than late.
Thomas ( B- ) -- in the first half helped pull us back after we got off to a staggering start. Continues to be deadly with that 18 footer, especially from the baseline. Started to force shots in the third, and met his hustling match, and more than match, in Eduardo Najera who just dominated action inside in the third. Made several bad turnovers throughout the game that hurt us.
Skinner ( C+ ) -- put up respectable rebounding numbers, and blocked 2 Carmelo shots on one possession in the first quarter, but overall impact was minimal tonight. The inside was wide open tonight, and may have been even moreso during his time on the floor than his time off of it. Just didn't seem to be reacting as well inside as we ahve become accustomed to.
Mobley ( B- ) -- had a poor first half, not only being very very quiet on offense, but repeatedly turning hi shead and losing his man on defense as well. started to matter in the third as he began to use his quickness to attack the Nuggets and get to the foul line. In fact was our most effective offensive player in the second half. But never able to really dominate, and while it was eventually a solid outing for Cat, not one where he could pull it out alone.
Bibby ( D ) -- Just never got anything at all going. Was struggling with the shot from the outset, and wasn't consistently containing his man on defense either. Right about now that long string of superstar-like performances in February seems like it was seasons ago. Shot is just so far off, and there isn't much life in his performances. No spark, no real hint that he's going to get it going.
Songaila ( B ) -- came in in the first half and hit his outside shots. Was reinserted in the third quarter in an attempt to go big to match up with the super-hustle of Eduardo Najera, but results were minimal. Made a couple of nice passes along the way. Pretty decent Dariusesque performance
Ostertag ( B- ) -- see? That wasn't so hard was it Rick? Sky didn't fall or anything. Tag came in early in this one after the Nuggets had run a ridiculous layup drill for the first 8-10 minutes of the game. It was the absolute right substitution, and he had an impact. George Karl really helped us as well by being an idiot with his substitution patterns, but the fact was that after Tag was inserted the free path to the hoop evaporated. Returned in the third, but without the same impact and didn't see action down the stretch.
Evans ( C ) -- mostly first half minutes, and didn't do much. Grabbed a few boards. Lost his second half rotation minutes to Eddie House, who was playing well and matched up better with the 2 PG backcourt the Nuggets were running. Eventually reinserted for a few minutes late to get the athletic matchup with Carmelo, but the game was already spiraling at that point, and he certainyl didn't turn things.
House ( B+ ) -- 3rd straight very effective game with similar numbers. Matched for the most part with the mini-mini Earl Boykins and so had a free look at the hoop whenever he shot. Got Mo's second half minutes
Williamson ( D ) -- outside of overpowering the injured Kenyon Martin on one first half play, just did nothing in his minutes, and started throwing some very shaky passes in the mid 4th, landing him back on the bench for the duration.

Eduardo Najera ( F ) -- bleeping ****ing **** $#@!!!



Adelman ( B+ ) -- we lost this one, but thought that Rick did a pretty good job tongiht. Team came out FLAT, I mean really flat -- on "defense" we were witness to one of the most atrocious layup drills you are ever likely to see with something like 20 of the first 23 Denver points coming on dunks or layups. But Rick called a timeout and apparently chewed the team out, because we came out of the timeout with much better defensive focus. Rick also started mixing in zones to start breaking up the Nuggets' constant postups and backdoor cuts, and even showed a willingness to go to Tag early to help turn things. We again came out int he third and were getting outworked and outhustled, and Rick again made what I thought was a good move (albeit perhaps a bit late) when he tried to switch in Darius and Tag for the ineffectice and foul ridden Peja and Skinner to turn the hustle tide against najera in particular (our career game beneficiary of the night). And down the stretch made several more solid moves, going with House at OG to maychup wiht the Boykins/Miller backcourt, and then later bringing back Mo Evans to try to match up with Carmelo physically. We did not win, and not all of the moves worked out, but felt like Rick was thinking this one through and trying to find answers all night long. Not to be though.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Peja ( B+ ) -- was aggressive on offense in the first half, and his shot remained dead on. Mixed in a few inside shots as well. But the Nuggets came out in the third determined to pressure him more, and Peja got off to a rough start in the half and then made matters worse by getting into foul trouble trying to guard a very aggressive Carmelo Anthony in the post. Finally got a couple of freebies at the end of the quarter to get things rolling again, but really was never a significant factor after half. Made a nice inbounds pass to Darius in the 4th -- has shown that ability from time to time this season. Predictably got killed in the hustle categories when matched up with Najera at times, and in general this was back to the classic Peja pretty good game of this year -- good scoring night, one dimensional, better early than late.
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Too high of a grade for Pedja. 2 rebounds do not give you a B+
 
AleksandarN said:
Too high of a grade for Pedja. 2 rebounds do not give you a B+

You may be right -- it was by the narrowest of margins over a B, and I was trying to figure out how I felt about Peja's expectations based on the last game vs. the season as a whole.
 
Team grade: C- but primarily because of the "if anything can go wrong it will go wrong" atmosphere that seemed to haunt us the entire second half. Foul trouble, some really hard fouls that weren't called, Violet Palmer continues to amaze and astound - she is living proof that you can be totally inept in your job and still keep said job if you are a token female.

I do give partial credit to Mother Nature, for placing Denver at 5,280 feet.
 
I was really disappointed with the effort tonight. For the most part it didn't look like anyone cared out there. Discouraging considering how tight of a playoff race we're in.
 
hanchiho said:
what's going on with najera
personally i dont like him. he's a dirty player

Najera was tough, but not dirty. He has had the Kings' number for quite a while, regardless of the team he's been on. I really wish we would change the number or at least make it unlisted.

Najera gives his all. He puts it all out there on the court.
 
VF21 said:
Najera was tough, but not dirty. He has had the Kings' number for quite a while, regardless of the team he's been on. I really wish we would change the number or at least make it unlisted.

Najera gives his all. He puts it all out there on the court.

I hate Najera. Though if he were on our team I would not mind his rough play.
 
hanchiho said:
what's going on with najera
personally i dont like him. he's a dirty player

When a team plays with any sort of disinterest hustle players will pull a fast one every time.
 
Bricklayer said:
Eduardo Najera ( F ) -- bleeping ****ing **** $#@!!!

VERY nice, brickie, very nice

i completely agree with that assessment, as well as everyone else so far...i HATE Najera...never liked him ever since he played for Dallas...yuck...seems obnoxius and selfish...plus he's ugly, not that i judge guys :D
 
BobbyJ_for3! said:
VERY nice, brickie, very nice

i completely agree with that assessment, as well as everyone else so far...i HATE Najera...never liked him ever since he played for Dallas...yuck...seems obnoxius and selfish...plus he's ugly, not that i judge guys :D

Oh don't get me wrong, would love to have him on my team. He takes no nihgts off and is tough as nails. But he's a bleeping pain in the *** when he's in the other uniform, and he has been borderline dirty at times over his career.
 
VF21 said:
Najera was tough, but not dirty. He has had the Kings' number for quite a while, regardless of the team he's been on. I really wish we would change the number or at least make it unlisted.

Najera gives his all. He puts it all out there on the court.
Najera is on the same page with Bruce Bowen in my book. Tough guys, paly hard, strong defenders that walk that fine line between hard nosed paly and thuggery, bothof them ocasionaly cross it but neither ofthem live on the wrong side. Will hate the guy however unless he were to don Kings togs.
 
BobbyJ - Najera is, from what I've heard and read, everything BUT obnoxious and selfish. He's a hard player, and sometimes he might stray over into the "dirty" classification but he is a hard worker, he clearly plays his heart out for his team, etc.

Just because he scorched us AGAIN doesn't make him a bad human being or a particularly evil personage. It just makes him one of a small number of NBA players who seem to thrive whenever they take the court against the Kings.

Quite frankly, I respect his hustle and his return from the knee procedure. He had a couple of bad setbacks and he's still able to play and contribute. Personally, I think that says he's everything but selfish.
 
Bricklayer said:
Oh don't get me wrong, would love to have him on my team. He takes no nihgts off and is tough as nails. But he's a bleeping pain in the *** when he's in the other uniform, and he has been borderline dirty at times over his career.

I agree about Najera being a pain on the other team and I would also not mind him coming off of our bench, but I don't think he is dirty. He seems to me like one of those guys who hustles hard but simply is not self-possesed enough and not really well coordinated to keep it clean. Now, his teammate K-Mart is different story - when he flatens opposing player I have no doubt it was intended and malicious.

Good grades, BTW.
 
Najera is a baller and puts 110% everytime on the floor. Like him or not, one has to respect his effort and play.

As far as Peja I think Brick is right with the B+. I keep repeating myself but PEJA is not a rebounder. He is not going to get 9-10 boards everynight.

He was 100% again from the line, made 3-4 from 3 pt land and only took 14 shots to get his 24. (Leading scorer for us)

I would say I would almost like him to take more shots from 3pt land if he is hot as well he was only at the line 5 times.

An honest knock on Peja tonight was he didn't take many shots, he wasn't aggressive enough to get foulded. IMO who cares about rebounds with Peja, if he gets them then fine but one of the best FThrow shooters in the league has to get to the line more then 5 times.

We all need to be realistic when it comes to Peja and what to expect from his game.

Bibby looks more tired as each game goes by. This is the one thing I am concerned about the most right now. Maybe RA should give him a game off or two if we can secure a spot in the playoffs. I am still not an Eddie house fan but he did okay tonight and gave Bibby some rest. I just don't think it was enough rest.

I wasn't as impressed with Tag as you Brick. Especially his 3rd QTR stint. He looked well like TAG and was slow, sloppy and I would have rather have seen Corliss or Darius out there. The first half I agree with you but the second half showed why you just can't depend on him. He was the same way the other night during his all star 8 min and then was horrible when he went in again. Does he get worn out sitting down?
 
BigWaxer said:
Najera is a baller and puts 110% everytime on the floor. Like him or not, one has to respect his effort and play.

As far as Peja I think Brick is right with the B+. I keep repeating myself but PEJA is not a rebounder. He is not going to get 9-10 boards everynight.

He was 100% again from the line, made 3-4 from 3 pt land and only took 14 shots to get his 24. (Leading scorer for us)

I would say I would almost like him to take more shots from 3pt land if he is hot as well he was only at the line 5 times.

An honest knock on Peja tonight was he didn't take many shots, he wasn't aggressive enough to get foulded. IMO who cares about rebounds with Peja, if he gets them then fine but one of the best FThrow shooters in the league has to get to the line more then 5 times.

We all need to be realistic when it comes to Peja and what to expect from his game.

Need to realistic when it comes to Pedja? Is 2 rebounds realistic then? There is no excuses 2 rebounds from any starter is pathetic coming from our 6'10" SF becomes even more so(pathetic).
 
BigWaxer said:
...I wasn't as impressed with Tag as you Brick. Especially his 3rd QTR stint. He looked well like TAG and was slow, sloppy and I would have rather have seen Corliss or Darius out there. The first half I agree with you but the second half showed why you just can't depend on him. He was the same way the other night during his all star 8 min and then was horrible when he went in again. Does he get worn out sitting down?

In Tag's defense, that first stint was HARD. The Nuggets were playing fast-break at every opportunity and the big guy was doing his best to keep in the plays.

It is not easy playing at altitude and when you're not in tip-top condition your legs give out pretty quickly. I think he gave as good as he could and personally that's all I ask of any of them.
 
AleksandarN said:
Need to realistic when it comes to Pedja? Is 2 rebounds realistic then? There is no excuses 2 rebounds from any starter is pathetic coming from our 6'10" SF becomes even more so(pathetic).

He may not have gotten a lot of boards, but at least he wasn't shying away from them. There were several occasions when he really battled for the rebound but simply lost out to Nene. He WAS making an effort and not just standing away from the action. That is an improvement.
 
VF21 said:
In Tag's defense, that first stint was HARD. The Nuggets were playing fast-break at every opportunity and the big guy was doing his best to keep in the plays.

It is not easy playing at altitude and when you're not in tip-top condition your legs give out pretty quickly. I think he gave as good as he could and personally that's all I ask of any of them.

I aggree for once Tag did a very good job. Now if only he cared as much to earn his money and get into shape.
 
VF21 said:
He may not have gotten a lot of boards, but at least he wasn't shying away from them. There were several occasions when he really battled for the rebound but simply lost out to Nene. He WAS making an effort and not just standing away from the action. That is an improvement.

It is an improvement but we need better rebounding from him. Time to step up even more the team needs you more than anything right while we are in a transition period with the new players.
 
I would say yes at least IMO, especially when he mostly plays on the perimeter.

I would entertain the argument that he should be cutting more and be more active moving and I thought he did okay tonight . Rebounding is all about position and effort. I say with Peja his lack of rebounding has a little to do with both.

Also tonight we got out rebounded as a team by 15. The Nuggets are very athletic compared to us and I think that has a lot to do with it.
 
BigWaxer said:
. IMO who cares about rebounds with Peja,

Oh no, none of that. He HURTS this team with his weakness on the glass -- everyone has to cover for his ***. And it smacks of the possibility of very bad things -- either a lack of heart or blatant prima donnaism. In any case he appears either unable or unwilling to consistently do the dirty work for his team, and he's damn lucky he does not have me as a teammate because he would be hearing about it every single night he did not show and we were fighting 4 on 5 on the glass because of it.
 
VF21 said:
It is not easy playing at altitude and when you're not in tip-top condition your legs give out pretty quickly.

I agree with that. Just own life experiences for instance everytime I go up to your neck of the woods for camping I get very winded just walking up a small hill. Of course I am out of shape but still I am sure it has a similar affect on them.
 
BigWaxer said:
I would say yes at least IMO, especially when he mostly plays on the perimeter.

I would entertain the arguement that he should be cutting more and be more active moving and I thought he did okay tonight . Rebounding is all about position and effort. I say with Peja his lack of rebounding has a little to do with both.

Also tonight we got out rebounded as a team by 15. The Nuggets are very athletic compared to us and I think that has a lot to do with it.

It does but that is when we need Pedja to be in position to box out and rebound like a SF should. Games like this is best example of badly we need Pedja, or any player for that matter, hitting those boards .
 
Bricklayer said:
Oh no, none of that. He HURTS this team with his weakness on the glass -- everyone has to cover for his ***. And it smacks of the possibility of very bad things -- either a lack of heart or blatant prima donnaism. In any case he appears either unable or unwilling to consistently do the dirty work for his team, and he's damn lucky he does not have me as a teammate because he would be hearing about it every single night he did not show and we were fighting 4 on 5 on the glass because of it.

I aggree. :eek: Oh god I am starting sound like Brick:eek:


;)
 
Bricklayer said:
Oh no, none of that. He HURTS this team with his weakness on the glass -- everyone has to cover for his ***. And it smacks of the possibility of very bad things -- either a lack of heart or blatant prima donnaism. In any case he appears either unable or unwilling to consistently do the dirty work for his team, and he's damn lucky he does not have me as a teammate because he would be hearing about it every single night he did not show and we were fighting 4 on 5 on the glass because of it.

I would agree with that but I think we have a lot of players that have some sort of weakness that someone else has to cover up for... Ala Bibby and Defense.

My point being I think his weakness is not being aggressive on the offensive end to get to the line more. He makes almost every shot from the line. Of course I then see the flip side if he was aggressive like that he would prolly get more boards since he would be in better position.

Put K9s inside game into Peja and we would have a monster on our hands.
 
BigWaxer said:
I would agree with that but I think we have a lot of players that have some sort of weakness that someone else has to cover up for... Ala Bibby and Defense.

My point being I think his weakness is not being aggressive on the offensive end to get to the line more. He makes almost every shot from the line. Of course I then see the flip side if he was aggressive like that he would prolly get more boards since he would be in better position.

Put K9s inside game into Peja and we would have a monster on our hands.

That is why we have terrible defence at times. I alot of it has to do with the fact our players on our team has to cover up our weeknesses that some of players have. It puts alot of stress on our defense. If we can limit our weaknesses such as rebounding and positional defence on the perimeter than it betters our chance we have to win the game if our offense is not producing.
 
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