Grades v. Nuggets 01/11

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Bricklayer

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Peja ( B+ ) -- Had a couple of very aggressive bursts of offense in there, although not really a particularly good shooting night. While I am not sure how much of it was Peja's defense, Melo was also rendered inefffective tonight. We were in a zone a lot too, but Peja was not effective in that set -- as always better man defender than help defender. These are the tough ones to grade for me with Peja -- the nights when he's bombing away on offense, but playing like an uber-weenie on the glass. Just very hard to respect and I'm always tempted to just give him a "G" for girl. Will give him the benefit of the doubt and hope/assume the back was part of the problem -- did seem to be grimacing a lot. And weenie or not, he can really score, and that is the point of the game. Particularly critical on a night when we were very shorthanded. So a B+ it is, even while I sometimes yell at him to grow a pair through the TV.
Songaila ( B+ ) -- looked good in there on offense. Smoothly stroking the jumper and generally efficient. On defense got his hands on some balls, but was not terribly effective in the zone -- no defensive presence in there of course. Grabbed some big boards for us down the stretch.
Miller ( C+ ) -- ugly first half when he got into early foul trouble, was ineffective, and spent more energy arguing with the refs than fighting inside. Came out in the second half much more effective and focused. Made a couple of nifty bounce passes to Darius -- those two continue to click -- and hit Evans as well for a big hoop in the final two minutes. Never was effective defensively -- the drop off from Tag to him was as dramatic as ever. Whenever Tag left the Nuggets started charging right at the hoop again. Drew fouls, but missed a whole bunch of FTs that luckily did not come back to bite us in the butt.
Evans ( A- ) -- really strong effort from Evans again on night we needed it badly. If he'd been able to hit his open threes, might have had 20 tonight. He's consistently bringing it every night now. He and Bibby really click on the break now with the alley oop going up anytime Evans gets anywhere around the rim. Made a couple of big hustle plays late to help us seal it up. Gets the "-" because of raised expectations as much as anything else . A few weeks ago I probably give him the flat A, but I'm really beginning to just expect good things from him every night now.
Bibby ( B- ) -- was not a great game for Bibby, but was important as our lone ballhandler and primary assistman today. Missed most of his shots out there. Our switch to a zone did take defensive pressure off of him thogh, and that might have been part of the plan. Of course the big story for him tonight was a late ankle sprain that sent him to the bench. He headed to the bench, and his absence was immediately felt with House struggling. He gutted it out and returned to the game, although obviously hampered. Deserves some sort of minor bump just for toughing it out for us on a night when we were already very shorthanded.
Tag ( B+ ) -- very effective performance, although he did make a number of mistakes along the way. We switched into zone defenses for extended stretches, and Tag is the perfect goalie for that style of D. Made a few TOs and defensive mistakes. He's had better games. But one of those where even not at his absolute best he made a real difference for us defensively.
Martin ( A+ ) -- upped his career best game once again. Great timing as well -- not only were we badly shorthanded, but as I mentioned last game Kevin really needed another strong game to keep the confidence of the coaching staff. Was just great in all facets of the game. Very aggressive and smart on offense tonight. Forced a couple of drives, but generally efficient. Also grabbed a lot of good boards for a skinny little OG, and played good defense, including a 4th quarter steal and breakaway on the supertwerp Earl Boynkins. Good statement game before probably seeing his minutes cut back a lot once Mobley arrives. Might keep him getting some minutes every night.
House ( D ) -- ballhandling looked disappointingly shaky tonight, and wasn't hitting his shots either. Worked hard on defense -- good to see -- but made mistakes. All in all, not an impressive debut.
Barnes ( B+ ) -- nice short little stint in the first half. Best in a long time. Did his hustle thing, stayed under control. Hit a three, and made an important play late in his stint grabbing an O-board off of a pair of missed FTs (not his) and converting.

Adelman ( A- ) -- no Doug/Mobley, no Webb and the team comes through with a hard fought victory on a night when you might expect them to be down emotionally. A lot of credit for that has to go to Rick, who as always keeps things steady. Went deep and willingly to the bench, and found a lot of help there tonight. Also used more zone than I have ever seen us use before -- a smart move tonight, and maybe a portent of the future as a way to compensate for our lack of stoppers. In any case worked well. Earns the minus for a couple of minor complaints: 1) the Tag issue again. Flat out made a defensive difference in there, and we were as weak as ever around the rim without him. Used him a lot in the first half due to foul trouble, underutilized him again in the second; 2) pulled Martin in the midst of a career game with 6 minutes to go. Now he put Evans in for him, who was having a heck of a game too. But as our two best players tonight, and with Bibby severely hobbled, I would not have minded seeing him keep Kevin in and play both guys together. Anyway, a shorthanded win once again for us. Its not coincidence. We've won with every conceivable combination of players out over the years. The great constant isn't any one player being available, its the coach.
 
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Whoa, someone's generous tonight.

The best grade I'd give for tonight's effort would be a B+ , and it'd probably go to Adelman for utilizing his players the way he's supposed to.
 
#3
Good grades. Except I would up RA's grade. Zone worked and we looked good out of time-outs and breaks. Rotation was also good and somewhat un-Adelman like.

As for Pedja's defence on Melo: Whether that was Pedja's intention or not you just have to give Melo enough rope to hang himself.
 
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I think a win automatically bumps everyone up a 1/2 letter. :) I think a 'D' is perhaps a bit harsh for House in his first game in a brand new system. He wasn't hitting his shots, but I didn't really think he made any blatant mistakes (unless I'm forgetting or switched the channel for a second). Obviously Rick didn't have the confidence in him to run the offense for long when Bibby went out, but I'm hoping to see him improve as he gets some practices under his belt.

Gutty effort for the rest of the guys... woulda been real easy to throw in the towel a few times especially with some really mind-boggling calls out there (like not giving us the time out when I could clearly hear about three guys yelling for it).

I keep expecting Mo Evans and K-Mart to drop back to earth a bit, but it's beginning to look like this is how they may play the rest of the year -- given the minutes that is. Hopefully Rick will find a way to keep them in the rotation once Cuttino shows up.
 
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Stojakovic said:
Whoa, someone's generous tonight.

The best grade I'd give for tonight's effort would be a B+ , and it'd probably go to Adelman for utilizing his players the way he's supposed to.
I don't think the grades were too generous. The Kings played with more heart than I've seen in any game this year. That was a great effort. Forget the stats, forget the numbers, they won that game because they just wanted it more than Denver.
 

HndsmCelt

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Guess I can see the B+ for Darius but I was impressed with the fact that while Evans, and Martin were putting on a show, Darius quielty put up 12 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 steals. Played very stong defense and used most of his 6 fouls wisely. A great game for any starting PF but for a bench player getting a start it was really a nice job of working behind the sceens.
 
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Adelman and Martin were very pleasant surprises tonight. We may not go far this year in the playoffs, but this team is as fun to watch as the "Jason Williams Kings." I really would play Webber sparingly the remainder of the year. Use him when it is necessary, in those critical cases where no other player can achieve a sufficiently high level of performance. If I were Adelman, I would even risk losing a few games by playing the newbies just to extend Webbers crippled body through the season.

Peja looks like he is playing in-pain to me.

Good grades, as usual.
 
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I have to take issue with the A+ for Martin. If he made all his free throws I give him the +. I think an A is the coorect grade as there is room for improvement.
 

VF21

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The team grade is A.

They would have had every reason in the world to come out and not play with heart, but - perhaps in tribute to Doug - they did exactly the opposite. They played tough, even without Webber. They did what they needed to do to get the job done. They played TEAM ball, which had to be tough with House on the court for the first time and no steadying DC presence to keep things flowing.

This is a TEAM, my fellow Kings fans, and they showed it tonight.

I LOVE THIS TEAM!!!
 
#13
I agree with VF21. The team would not have won without a total team effort. Team grade A.

I also have to take issue with Bibby not getting an A for heart and leadership. The Kings started to implode the minute Bibby went off the floor to get his ankle wrapped. If Bibby did not gut it out and return to the game we could be looking at a loss right now. Bibby may be emerging as the Kings new leader.
 

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kgrichwine said:
I have to take issue with the A+ for Martin. If he made all his free throws I give him the +. I think an A is the coorect grade as there is room for improvement.
I agree very strongly with the A+. His free throws have vastly improved. I think you're being way too critical on the kid...
 

Bricklayer

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kgrichwine said:
I have to take issue with the A+ for Martin. If he made all his free throws I give him the +. I think an A is the coorect grade as there is room for improvement.
9 of 11 is still 82%

man you're a tough grader. :)

17pts 6rebs on 50% shooting in 18 min and you think there's still room for much improvement. :)


If it helps any if he were tos tart doing this every night I wouold eventually lower this to an A since I factor in expectations. Bobby can do this with some regularity. Martin? Just about doubled his career high.
 
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quick dog said:
Adelman and Martin were very pleasant surprises tonight. We may not go far this year in the playoffs, but this team is as fun to watch as the "Jason Williams Kings." I really would play Webber sparingly the remainder of the year. Use him when it is necessary, in those critical cases where no other player can achieve a sufficiently high level of performance. If I were Adelman, I would even risk losing a few games by playing the newbies just to extend Webbers crippled body through the season.

Peja looks like he is playing in-pain to me.

Good grades, as usual.
I would have to agree here. We need Webb to be healthy for the playoffs. Without him I think we have little chance to get deep into the playoffs. Adelman should limit Webb to less than 30 mins a game depending on our matchups and give him days off when the knee is sore like they are doing now. Webb should really primarily be a playmaker, especially on back-to-backs. Then when the playoffs roll around Webb can step it up and take on the scoring load when things are tighter. It is a very exciting time right now with the Kings, with the newbies showing a lot of promise and our new aquisitions, and we are still in the thick of things.

By the way, I've been meaning to ask this. Does anyone know what our record was this time last year?
 
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I take offense with Peja's grade. I don't think he'll ever be a great rebounder but that doesn't make him a wheenie. Shareef Abdur-Rahim is a good rebounder yet everyone think he's one of the league's biggest wheenies (this is an inane conversation). I still think the offense is better when Peja's the primary option -- solely because he's more efficient because of his shooting touch. You are what your stats say you are -- Peja's a lousy rebounder but a great shooter.

I think the trade shook all the players out of their complacency. Fear factor at work. Whether by necessity or choice Adelman made full use of the bench tonight. Coach gets an 'A'.
 

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quick dog said:
I really would play Webber sparingly the remainder of the year. Use him when it is necessary, in those critical cases where no other player can achieve a sufficiently high level of performance. If I were Adelman, I would even risk losing a few games by playing the newbies just to extend Webbers crippled body through the season.
There's a basic flaw in that premise. Elite athletes maintain their ability to play at an elite level by playing at an elite level. In other words, if Webber is only used in critical cases, there is no guarantee he'll be able to perform in critical cases. You don't keep a race horse in the barn all year and expect him to come out and win the Kentucky Derby.

It's as simple as "use it or lose it" and we see it all the time.

Webber will, most likely, take a game off here and there the rest of his career. I'm perfectly happy with that. When he plays, he has to PLAY.
 

Bricklayer

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exGrizzly said:
I take offense with Peja's grade. I don't think he'll ever be a great rebounder but that doesn't make him a wheenie. Shareef Abdur-Rahim is a good rebounder yet everyone think he's one of the league's biggest wheenies (this is an inane conversation). I still think the offense is better when Peja's the primary option -- solely because he's more efficient because of his shooting touch. You are what your stats say you are -- Peja's a lousy rebounder but a great shooter.
Soft as butter in the tropics my friend. :) But a great talent, no doubt. And that is the eternal quandry with him. Too skilled to give up on, but does absolutely none of the dirty work and has none of the versatility of the great ones.
 
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VF21 said:
The team grade is A.

They would have had every reason in the world to come out and not play with heart, but - perhaps in tribute to Doug - they did exactly the opposite. They played tough, even without Webber. They did what they needed to do to get the job done. They played TEAM ball, which had to be tough with House on the court for the first time and no steadying DC presence to keep things flowing.

This is a TEAM, my fellow Kings fans, and they showed it tonight.

I LOVE THIS TEAM!!!
I agree..

I was watching it on Nuggets broadcast and I think at one point they said the crowd seemed to be in a bad mood. Can't blame them if they really were.. but I'm really proud of the way the guys came out and worked hard, played TEAM ball, like you said.

I LOVE THIS TEAM ! ! !
<< Proud Kings fan!
 
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Evans earned an A- (which I agree with) on a night he didn't hit a single jumper. Wow.

We knew Special K could get to the line before the season started... it would be great if he could continue to hit FTs at an 82% clip. And that boy is FAST! He gets all the way to the basket so easily, the next step is dishing instead of trying to finish over 7 footers. He could be a real force.
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Alacron said:
Evans earned an A- (which I agree with) on a night he didn't hit a single jumper. Wow.

We knew Special K could get to the line before the season started... it would be great if he could continue to hit FTs at an 82% clip. And that boy is FAST! He gets all the way to the basket so easily, the next step is dishing instead of trying to finish over 7 footers. He could be a real force.
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Do you think Special K has the ability to bulk up? I think I read somewhere in one of th scouting reports that he has narrow shoulders so it would make it hard for him to get bulkier. Don't know how the two relate, but when I watched the Spurs game it seemed as if he had gained a few more pounds and looked a bit more cut.
 
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KingKong said:
Do you think Special K has the ability to bulk up? I think I read somewhere in one of th scouting reports that he has narrow shoulders so it would make it hard for him to get bulkier. Don't know how the two relate, but when I watched the Spurs game it seemed as if he had gained a few more pounds and looked a bit more cut.
I'm sure he'll never be Jim Jackson, but I'd be satisfied with Doug Christie.
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I don't think he is ever going to be bulky, it's not in his genes. However, he is tough, and strong. He's also extremely agile and very quick. He looks to me to have put on some muscle since I first met him at Fandemonium, most noticably in his arms (maybe because that's mostly what I can see;) )
I told him at warm-ups to go out there and be aggressive....or his Grandma would get him. Apparently, that tactic works well:D
I really hope he continues to get time, because the more comfortable he gets out there, the more impressive he is.
 
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When Kev's trading cards first started coming out, I told his Aunt YumYum that they were air-brushing his arms to make them look bigger, (she got mad) but when he came home, briefly, after the game in Indiana, I noticed he had picked up some weight the minute he walked through the door. Don,t think he'll ever hit the 200lb. mark, it would probably hurt his game, but he is looking pretty "buff' lately.
 
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Hoodie and Kingsgurl are both right on this one. Kevin's not going to be "huge" in ways people want him to be, but he has appeared to put on quite a bit of muscle.

All of the guys played their guts out last night, and it was such a great game to watch. House may not have been impressive to some last night, but I think once he's used to the Kings system, he's going to fit in well. I'm anxious to see Mobley play once he gets here.

Excellent game last night! GO KINGS!!!
 
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