Grades v. Nets 03/06

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Bricklayer

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Artest ( C ) -- Still a tough guy to grade. Good sign that this team has shown some ability here in recent games to win with Ron not having a good game. He's infused them with confidence and spirit but doesn't need to lead every charge on the court. Nothing statistically this game, but he did some subtly nice things out there -- initiated some of or offense, picked his spots, and began to get his hands on a lot of balls in the third, repeatedly disrupting the Nets on what should have been easy attempts. Made things tough on Carter sometimes, but also got beat off the dribble several times. Could go with a C+ here just for holding down his spot and competing, but Ron's capable of more.
Thomas ( B- ) -- ok early -- worked up a huge Patrick Ewing type dripping sweat, but only on marginal effectiveness. Picked it up after half as the Nets whole defense became distorted chasing after Bibby opening up all kinds of looks for guys like Kenny. And he knocked them down and along with the similarly open Miller helped us build the lead to commanding levels.
Miller ( A- ) -- quiet start, but eventually settled in to hit some jumpers, and in the second half Brad picked up where Mike left off and just hit everything. Did not have much of a night on the glass despite the Nets smallballing, and did not run the offense this time out so much as just move to the open spot and knock down shots. But his refusal to miss really made it impossible for the Nets to make up any ground on us in the second half.
Martin ( D+ ) -- we missed Kevin's second straight good road game yesterday and got to watch this one instead. A poor game really. Made some contributions in other areas but did could get nothing going offensively. Did not shoot, or hit. And had some defensive breakdowns as well, and Jefferson physically overpowered him on several occasions. Poor night and would have lost his minutes were not for the Nets going smallball, but 7rebs and 5ast helped and so gets a versatility bump.
Bibby ( A ) -- came out scorching in one of those Bibby 30+ pt rolls he gets on -- could just see the confidence flowing from maybe the second shot on and poured it on in maybe the deciding burst just before half to finish with 23 first half points on 9-11 shooting. :eek: And no, the defense was not great and on several occassions he just committed silly no effort giveup fouls. But really now. Mattered not at all. Fell way way off after half with the Nets focusing thier defense on him and running an extra man at him at every opportunity. But actually switched gears nicely and began dishing out assists, in particular to the main recipients of the distorted defense, Brad and Kenny. Given the much weaker 2nd half I floated this grade between and A- and an A, and went with the higher grade since we won, and Mike's huge burst was really the separator that the Nets never recoveved from.
Reef ( B- ) -- not the explosion you might have hoped for against the team that snubbed him, but a solid energetic start and got his points. Lost most of his second half minutes with Brad having a near perfect shooting night and the Nets going to a smallball lineup which caused us to insert Bonzi as a PF.
Bonzi ( A ) -- and just like that, Bonzi is back. Would say he is looking better all the time, but that would imply there was further to go. And other than the extra weight tonight it looked like the same ole Bonzi who was carrying us early in the year. Owned the glass for us as a guard, powered inside on offense, and got his hands on balls for steals. With the Nets going to a ridiculous desperation 4-guard smallball lineup in the third, Bonzi was even reinserted as a PF to matchup. Be interesting to see how the minutes thing starts playing out now with Kevin, Bonzi, Ron and Cisco.
Hart ( INC ) -- scored well in garbagetime
Monia ( INC ) -- garbagetime, first minutes for the kid, looked pretty smooth on the break and with the shot, but nothing spectacular and not enoough to really tell much
Price ( INC ) -- garbagetime, had a couple of assists
Potapenko ( INC ) -- garbagetime, still looked a little lost out there, but tried to play his simple game, setting screens and rumbling around

Adelman ( B+ ) -- some interesting rotation questions that hopefully won't become distractions down the stretch. First of course, is Bonzi coming on strong behind Kevin. Second was Reef getting squeezed for minutes in this game -- a game where I'm sure he wanted to come back and play well. And finally of course is where do Cisco's minutes come from when he returns with Reef and Bonzi already huge minute vets. We went most of the way with that seven man rotation once more, but this time with some interesting developments. First was the return of the Bonzi Wells we saw for the first few months of the season -- a physical force at OG demanding big minutes this time out. The second was Rick's response to the Nets smallballing us...and really the reason for the lower grade here, Rick once again responded to smallball by....going smallball himself of course. Worked pretty well, but...as usual, have to wonder why you just don't put a low post guy like Reef into the game and pound the smallballers into dust. Anyway, game was over by the early 4th, and while as usual it took Rick a few more minutes than it should, eventually we thew in our true garbagetime lineup and got our first look at Monia, and first real one at Potapenko. This was a confident victory, and while the Nets certainly displayed their own mediocrity, we didn't win because they were bad so much as because we were good. That's a promising sign going forward.
 
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Due to lazyness, lets just say this.

The Kings...A...Best game of the year...I think it's a game that will set the tone, and we will see this kind of effort from here on in.

Kevin Martin...Away...Well, he's at least doing good on the road sometimes now.
 
Team grade - A

Bench ball movement in final two minutes - A

I love this team!
 
Kevin played a solid game. He really didn't get the ball much - thus low points. I thought his defense was good tonight.
 
Salmondave said:
Kevin played a solid game. He really didn't get the ball much - thus low points. I thought his defense was good tonight.

Agreed. I like how any time Martin makes the slightest mistake, Grant's all over it like flies on dog doodie. Talk about micro-managing. No, the kid's game wasn't perfect; yes, he leaked out once or twice; yes, he still has stuff to learn. He's in his second year in the NBA, for God's sake, and before Bonzi got hurt practically no one not on this board was even talking about him.

Grant just bugs the holy crap out of me...which I'm sure comes as a big shock to long-time Kingsfans.com members.

;)
 
Kings.....A - We were outrebounded by 2, I believe. But never out-assisted (if there's such a word like that). Game Pics anyone?
 
Artest has always had trouble with Vince Carter. But before the Nets acquired Vince, Ron would shut down RJ, in fact one game a couple of seasons ago, RJ was seen in the fetal postion screaming for his mommy towards the end of a game.
 
Bricklayer said:
And finally of course is where do Cisco's minutes come from when he returns with Reef and Bonzi already huge minute vets. More...

I think that Cisco gets minutes behind Bibby and mostly Ron, while Bonzi and Kevin cover the 2. Just my thoughts. If anyone of them is having a bad night, then we have flexibility because Cisco, Ron and Bonzi are swingmen.
 
I think this was the best offensive execution we've seen on the road from the Kings this season. I'm excited!
 
all 3 games @ nets, bibby has had good games. if i'm not mistaken, he was the leading scorer for all 3! i'm so happy bibby put on a great show. the KINGS TEAM actually put on a great show.

thank god it was a blowout, too! some nets fans left early because the game was out of reach so i changed seats and got to high 5 the guys when they were going into the locker room!
 
VF21 said:
Agreed. I like how any time Martin makes the slightest mistake, Grant's all over it like flies on dog doodie. Talk about micro-managing. No, the kid's game wasn't perfect; yes, he leaked out once or twice; yes, he still has stuff to learn. He's in his second year in the NBA, for God's sake, and before Bonzi got hurt practically no one not on this board was even talking about him.

Grant just bugs the holy crap out of me...which I'm sure comes as a big shock to long-time Kingsfans.com members.

;)

Have you seen what Adelman does to Kevin?! He treats him like his personal whipping boy everytime he makes a mistake. Maybe he is just trying to teach him but it gets pretty bad sometimes.
 
I know it's rough for K-Mart and Cisco. But I love how when either of the young guns make a mistake, Rick is all over them like white on rice. You can just see the look on Martins face when his man gets a wide open three pointer... And it looks a little like this :o
 
I think Cisco may become backup point. When Bibby was out the offense was completely stagnant. On Ron became the PG, and he has very limited dribbling skills. We didn't see this in previous games because Cisco took over the ball-handling. So I think that's where he will get the bulk of his minutes. I think this is an even better question. Do you do what you did with Thomas, and leave Martin in the starting role because he seems to play better as a starter? Or do you play Bonzi who's shown he can contribute off the bench? And will Bonzi take the bench like Reef did? All very hard questions to answer...
 
All I have to say is I got my birthday wish... BIG Kings win & Lakers loss!

I agree about Grant jumping all over Martin more than most other guys. I think he can do other things besides just score- he played well defensively and he has been rebounding pretty constistantly too.

Good to have Bonzi back- I think our team is looking better and better.
 
I agree with all the grades but 1. I think Artest grade is a little harsh but I understand your rational behind it.

I think with Ron Ron, overall stats dont' really tell us his impact on the game. Maybe a look at points scored against us when he is in vs out, not sure just guessing... . However I agree he is a hard one to grade, his numbers IMO don't always show what he does on the floor.

When I look at the stats I see 4-12, On the other side I see VC didn't hit his season avg... although close but without Artest he prolly would of scored 30+, He had to work for his points.

IMO unless Ron does something to hurt the team he pretty much defaults to a B. IMO 4-12 when we win by 25 doesn't hurt the team. He had a lot to do with that. Pre-Artest we would of lost this game.
 
BigWaxer said:
I agree with all the grades but 1. I think Artest grade is a little harsh but I understand your rational behind it.

I think with Ron Ron, overall stats dont' really tell us his impact on the game. Maybe a look at points scored against us when he is in vs out, not sure just guessing... . However I agree he is a hard one to grade, his numbers IMO don't always show what he does on the floor.

When I look at the stats I see 4-12, On the other side I see VC didn't hit his season avg... although close but without Artest he prolly would of scored 30+, He had to work for his points.

IMO unless Ron does something to hurt the team he pretty much defaults to a B. IMO 4-12 when we win by 25 doesn't hurt the team. He had a lot to do with that. Pre-Artest we would of lost this game.
Yeah. C is a little harsh for the guy who held the toughest scorers in the league. I say it's atleast B or B+. Artest didn't scored much but he did what he could do best, defend scorers and make them cry at the 2nd Half.;)
 
Great game by Bibby -- I really like the way he's playing offense these days, even if up until last night he hadn't been shooting a high percentage in the last few gmaes. He's picking his spots well, he's setting people up well, and he's not looking first for his own shot. Midseason he was starting to look like Peja-lite, but now he's playing a much more well-rounded offensive game. If he plays like he has the last few games the Kings' offense is going to really flow.

I'm still down on Bibby for his defense and it frustrates me to no end because I know he can do better. I know it's hard to be mad at him when his offense is going well, but I won't listen to anyone on this board or elsewhere who says "who cares if Bibby doens't play defense, his offense is great." That kind of complacency doesn't belong on a team that has any hope of being taken seriously.

Bibby can play better defense and he needs to play better defense. Last night it worked. Against a better team it's not going to cut it.
 
nbrans said:
Great game by Bibby -- I really like the way he's playing offense these days, even if up until last night he hadn't been shooting a high percentage in the last few gmaes. He's picking his spots well, he's setting people up well, and he's not looking first for his own shot. Midseason he was starting to look like Peja-lite, but now he's playing a much more well-rounded offensive game. If he plays like he has the last few games the Kings' offense is going to really flow.

I'm still down on Bibby for his defense and it frustrates me to no end because I know he can do better. I know it's hard to be mad at him when his offense is going well, but I won't listen to anyone on this board or elsewhere who says "who cares if Bibby doens't play defense, his offense is great." That kind of complacency doesn't belong on a team that has any hope of being taken seriously.

Bibby can play better defense and he needs to play better defense. Last night it worked. Against a better team it's not going to cut it.

I know your a SAR fan, but Kenny and SAR have been pretty poor lately (last 3 games) while everyone else, starting, has been pretty solid.

Kinda weird. Thomas and SAR played pretty well vs Cleveland and Portland but the last 3 games. Blah. Although the team hasn't suffered that badly for some reason or another.
 
^^^ That's depth for you. This team is unbelievably talented. It took us AWHILE to come out of the gates, but the potential was always there, imo. Sure, we still lack that inside presence, the one that blocks shots and clogs the paint, but the pieces are starting to fit nicely, and we are beginning to develop some chemistry. I agree with nbrans though, while Bibby has shown improvement on defense since the Artest trade, it's still nothing to write home about. Artest needs to get on him. This season maybe futile, but the bigger picture is starting to look whole lot better and clearer.
 
Kevin is definitely improving with EACH road game .... so are the King's as a team :D


..... FINALLY !!!!!


next obstacle = consistency
 
bigbadred00 said:
I know your a SAR fan, but Kenny and SAR have been pretty poor lately (last 3 games) while everyone else, starting, has been pretty solid.

In Reef's defense - it's pretty hard to play well on 12-16 minutes.
 
playmaker0017 said:
In Reef's defense - it's pretty hard to play well on 12-16 minutes.

I guess Kenny and SAR have the same problem. He'd be playing well before. I don't know, maybe I'm just looking too far into things.
 
playmaker0017 said:
In Reef's defense - it's pretty hard to play well on 12-16 minutes.

Yes, suprised at Reef's minutes. The man should not be playing less than 25 minutes a game in order to keep him in the flow of our offense. Miller - 38 / KT - 28 and starting / Reef - 30
 
bigbadred00 said:
I know your a SAR fan, but Kenny and SAR have been pretty poor lately (last 3 games) while everyone else, starting, has been pretty solid.

Kinda weird. Thomas and SAR played pretty well vs Cleveland and Portland but the last 3 games. Blah. Although the team hasn't suffered that badly for some reason or another.

I wouldn't really consider myself an SAR fan -- I don't and never really have had a favorite player on the Kings. I find myself defending Shareef because I think his contributions (defense, post presence) are undervalued by the board, and I find myself being hard on Bibby because at times I think his contributions are over-valued.

But mostly I hate hate hate free passes, which is why I welcome criticism of SAR's lack of rebounding and don't understand why Bibby gets a waiver on this board from playing defense.
 
nbrans said:
I wouldn't really consider myself an SAR fan -- I don't and never really have had a favorite player on the Kings. I find myself defending Shareef because I think his contributions (defense, post presence) are undervalued by the board, and I find myself being hard on Bibby because at times I think his contributions are over-valued.

But mostly I hate hate hate free passes, which is why I welcome criticism of SAR's lack of rebounding and don't understand why Bibby gets a waiver on this board from playing defense.

Brain burp, for some reason I thought you were playmaker. Whoops.
 
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