Grades v. Mavs 01/14

[zip]

Raw numbers mean nothing. The fact you're showing Udrih at +17 and Martin at only +2 shows the fallacy in that kind of argument right off the bat.

If you think Beno deserves a higher grade, explain why. Respond to Bricklayer's summary with one of your own... point out why you believe Udrih should have received better than an average plus rating for the evening.

A lot of raw numbers mean nothing. +/- does not fall into this category.

Clearly, when Udrih was in the game, the Kings do A LOT better than when he is on the bench. This is usually, but admittedly not always the case.

Martin is a star, but we've won games against top opponents without him. Others are able to step up. Before Bibby's return from injury, we had nobody to provide what Udrih has been providing to this team. More than just poor shooting, on some nights. More than just a C+ worth.

But that's just my opinion.

 

[VF21]

I think the problem may be that you don't really understand the basis for Brick's grades. But then again, I don't know because this is your first time posting here. A "C+" means he did just a little better than he's expected to do. It's not a bad grade. Bricklayer is TOUGH on grades. Beno didn't have a standout night. You're looking at it more in the big picture. The grades are for last night's performance. If you check in the game archives section, you can see how Beno has fared in the other games.

 

[zip]

I think the problem may be that you don't really understand the basis for Brick's grades. But then again, I don't know because this is your first time posting here. A "C+" means he did just a little better than he's expected to do. It's not a bad grade. Bricklayer is TOUGH on grades. Beno didn't have a standout night. You're looking at it more in the big picture. The grades are for last night's performance. If you check in the game archives section, you can see how Beno has fared in the other games.

Thanks for your reply. I've been following his grades for a while. Both his grades and your play-by-play are a lot of fun to read. The play-by-play with commentary is something I haven't seen elsewhere except on soccer websites.

Getting back to the grades.. my observation has been that they appear usually to be extremely scewed to how well a player is shooting on a given night. If I had time, I'd make a chart to try and show this.

 

[venom_7]

VF21 is right on. C is a run of the mill game, where as A+ is a rare, sky's the limit, just amazing game. I think C+ for Beno especially with his oddly-timed wild drives is right on the money.

On another note. I remember last year when guys cost Brad and Bibby assists just because they didn't finish. This year it doesn't seem to be that much of a problem. When guys don't finish, usually they get to the line for their trouble, or they got blocked.

 

[VF21]

Thanks for your reply. I've been following his grades for a while. Both his grades and your play-by-play are a lot of fun to read. The play-by-play with commentary is something I haven't seen elsewhere except on soccer websites.

Getting back to the grades.. my observation has been that they appear usually to be extremely scewed to how well a player is shooting on a given night. If I had time, I'd make a chart to try and show this.

Thanks for the compliment. It's appreciated.



As far as how Brick's grades are skewed, that's an interesting POV. Maybe Brickie himself will find time to address it...

Anyway, welcome to Kingsfans.com We're always glad to have another "lurker" decide to take the big step and start posting. Be sure and check out the Lounge and add your name to the "new members" thread.

 

[Glenn]

We ALL value points and the other aspects of the game get shoved a little down the list of importance. People who score get big contracts. It's easy to measure.

Defensive effort, number of effective screens set, charges drawn, etc. simply are difficult to quantify and aren't as exciting. Dunks get overvalued. Heck, people wanted to keep Ronnie Price because of one spectacular dunk.

If Brick's grades are skewed towards points scored, he is just reflecting the value that fans and administrators put on scoring.

That being said, I'd love to read an analysis that was balanced differently if only done occasionally

Addendum: the +/- figures are helpful. In this latest comparison of Udrih and Martin it may simply reflect that Udrih played with the starters and Martin came off the bench. Numbers for one game mean little.

 

[VF21]

Only problem with that would be that if you disregard scoring and try something like ... oh, I don't know ... defense, the grades would be pretty boring.

 

[Glenn]

Only problem with that would be that if you disregard scoring and try something like ... oh, I don't know ... defense, the grades would be pretty boring.

Can't disregard scoring. I don't think that was suggested. Hope not.

 

[kingsfan101]

A lot of raw numbers mean nothing. +/- does not fall into this category.

Clearly, when Udrih was in the game, the Kings do A LOT better than when he is on the bench. This is usually, but admittedly not always the case.

Martin is a star, but we've won games against top opponents without him. Others are able to step up. Before Bibby's return from injury, we had nobody to provide what Udrih has been providing to this team. More than just poor shooting, on some nights. More than just a C+ worth.

But that's just my opinion.

What this, as well as +/- often imply is the quality of people backing someone up. We were able to win without Martin, and his +/- was also lower than Beno, because John and Cisco also played well. If we had a good alternative for Beno (should have soon once Bibby is back fully), his +/- shall also be more modest, and we should be able to win some too without him (hopefully, won't come to that).

 

[Superman]

I think we've found Kevin Martin's role, where he can be a true gunner and not back down no matter what. That's a good thing when he's 14-16 with nine free ones at the line; a bit of a problem when he's 4-16.

If we were better and had a bonafide big man and true point guard (Beno isn't there yet; Bibby is "shoot first, ask questions later"), I'd seriously promote the idea that we use Kevin the way the Suns use Barbosa, the way the Bulls used Gordon the past couple seasons, etc. He'd be great in that role.

I'm glad we have him, and I'm glad he's back in the lineup. I hope the Kings continue to play well.

 

[bozzwell]

Of course, I missed the game and forgot to record it... But when the grade thread theme is Hottest Guys, I have to chime in. I actually met some of those guys...

Johnny Depp - backstage at a rock concert during Belgrade Film Fest in 91 or 92. Don't remember much as I was really drunk, but I am pretty sure that Johnny was enjoying himself and was quite amused by the fact that everyone was acting as if they are not awestruck and Jim Jarmush and Johnny Depp showing up to rock out with local bands at a dingy little club is the most common thing ever.

Jude Law - at New Year's party in London. He and two other young and promissing actors were introduced to my wife and I by my wife's best friend. Young Mr. Law immediately switched on friendliness and party persona, where his two companions either kept the distance (the guy I remember as Ginger Tosser) or ended up trying to pick a fight with me (the guy I remember as Drunk Tosser). Ginger tosser went on to become a C-grade actor with minor roles in minor TV shows. Drunk Tosser never made it at all. Lesson? Be nice to me, all you budding stars...

Matt Damen - never met him. It would freak me out. At least from pictures, he looks like a clone of my younger brother. What is especially unsettling to me is that in some movies even his mannerism is 100% same as my brother's. As a side note, my brother married the first woman he met who didn't know who Matt Damen is.

 

[mlinky]

I rarely post, but this made me come out of the woodwork because I laughed so hard (and agreed):

GoGoGadget's Grades (A+)

 

[treewoman]

Oh Brick! I love reading your grades for so many reasons. Thank you for all you put into them.

Hot guys and your opinion thereof - brilliant!