Grades v. Jazz 11/07/09

After Havoc, who helped the Kings win the most tonight?

  • Jason Thompson

    Votes: 19 21.1%
  • Beno Udrih

    Votes: 46 51.1%
  • Andres Nocioni

    Votes: 7 7.8%
  • Ime Udoka

    Votes: 18 20.0%

  • Total voters
    90
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Bricklayer

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Nocioni ( B- ) -- most of his offensive contribution on the night consisted of spotting up for open threes, but our ability to hit those threes played a key role on the night (we hit 11-19 from beyond the arc). Made several scrappy hustle plays which fit both with his own well know tendency to hard nosed play as well as our own on the night, and drew several fouls with plays that we shall be ncie and not call flops, but ratehr perhaps "exagegrations". But he might have taken it too far in the middle 4th when he started racking up fouls guarding Ronnie Brewer, who is not one of the Jazz's big weapons, and giving the Jazz extra points as they tried to run us down. Left a bad taste by making a terrible forced shot at the 2:00 mark got us into trouble as we just could not close the deal. Was obviously looking for the foul on it, but ala Kevin, at hat point of the game you have to take a shot that has an actual chance rather than relying on the refs.

Thompson ( B ) -- this is a tough one to grade because Jason continues to do so much wrong, and yet so much right. Played a pretty weak first half, racking up 20 minutes of playing time and finishing with 4 pts and 3rebs as the Jazz's burly PFs pushed him away from the hoop. Avoided major foul trouble, but continued to pick up unnecessary ones, including committing an offensive foul getting out of control trying to lead a semi-break rather than finding a guard. One thing he was doing well from the beginning of the game, and that he has done well for much of the early season, was pass. Both on kickouts and hitting guys on the cut from the post position (the thing that Spencer should be doing if he would get his *** down in the post where he belongs). After the slow first half, came on to dominate the glass in the early third, and was doing a nice job on Boozer defensively after half too, just using his size to loom over him and make getting up shots difficult. Continues to blow chippee assists left and right for Tyreke including a big one down the stretch that opened the door a little wider for the Jazz. But came up big int he final minute, first with a nice pass to the slashing Beno for a layup, then with a key offensive rebond to help seal it. Padded his points with several sets of FTs after the game was decided in the final 15 seconds, but this was baically a single digit scoring night for him. So...Jason Thompson. One weak half, one strong half. Continued offensive incompetence, but yet developing as a passer. Hustles on the boards yet outrebounded 17-11 by his man...and I finally call the overall mix a B. All kinds of flawas, but an important part of the hustling gang who won this behind Reke's big game.

Hawes ( C- ) -- and so the mystery of Spencer Hawes's third season continues. Started off guarding Boozer and was into quick foul trouble without having accomplished much of anything. And with everybody else attacking in the second quarter Spencer wanted to join the party...and so just had to fade out and chuck a bricked Flutter three. Mixed bag of a second half that still left him with pretty anemic numbers. Tried to post AK47 to start the second half, and went right at his body as you have to, but could not finsih. Misplayed a pick and roll at the other end resulting ina an open hit for Andrei. Later had a nice hard take off the pick and roll leading to a 3pt play over Boozer, but also took too long to make a move trying to break a zone, resulting in a TO. Along with Jason did a good job defensively against Boozer in the second half using his size advantage, but also let Okur get open for back to back threes in the final two minutes -- a no no at any point against Okur, but especially in the position that we were in where nothing but a barrage of threes could beat us. Fortunately Memo's toe was on the line on one of them. Finsihed up wiht a disappointing 7pts and 4rebs in 30 minutes, and if it wasn't Flutter soft, it was still plenty spongy. Just did not seem terribly involved as the rest of the team was having fun around him.

Udrih ( B+ ) -- played a decent first quarter, but never returned in the first half as we went to a tough guy lineup in the 2nd quarter that clawed all the way back from 15pts down. But after half played such an important role in our upset bid that I am not sure he sat down once. And far from looking out of place in a group of hustling players led by a physical rookie jsut running people over, Beno actually joined in. Caught him on one play actually hustling for a board on the defensive glass and taking it all the way for one of his little pullups. Had a major role to play in the 4th, both good and bad, as the Jazz put the squeeze on our offense and we started to crumble. Made a nice pass to an open Hawes under the hoop to finally break a 4 minute FG drought for us, but also made several shot clock mistakes to help our collapse as we weren't always even getting shots off. In the end it was Beno hitting both of our last two shots including the sealer. The first one was on a cut taking a nice pass from Jason, while the 2nd was on his own breaking down the defense while the Jazz scrambled to create a turnover wiht the game all but out of reach. I would agree with the people who say that they are seeing a new Beno so far this season. After his first year in Sacto I thought he had shown pretty good leadership given his unsettled situation, but last year was an out of shape, lazy, defenseless finger-pointing disaster for him, and us. So far this year though there has been much better energy and leadership than anything he gave us last season.

Evans ( A ) -- /Queue gush: now of course this was the big one, not only the big one for the night but potentially another important one for us as Kings fans. Because our rook just flat out went off out there, and its the way he goes about it that is so eye opening. This game inspired a lot of emotions in people I am sure, but for me it was mostly amusement. I spent most of the second and third quarters just laughing because there was simply absolutely nothing the Jazz could do to stop the onslaught. In the post, off the drive, critically tonight hitting a decent percentage of his jumpers? Reke brought the ball down the court, and you would see him just dip his head a bit, and you can just see here it comes, and bam, just left Deron in the dust play after play. Completely wrecked the Jazz defense as the interior guys had to scramble play after play. Kid goes in there hard and fast. And so the Jazz put in Ronnie Price, we remember Ronnie Price -- great athlete, tough defender, and Reke just takes him down in the post and flat beats him up. Chased him from the game he beat him so bad. The kid is a matchup nightmare. In the early going he was still struggling with efficiency, hit and miss with his jumpers, and got called for palming again -- obviously a point of emphasis for him with the refs. But he was aggressive and you sensed there was a chance for something big there -- he showed no hesitation on the jumpers, hit an early three, and outmuscled a strong opponent in Ronnie Brewer. And then he began to really punish the Jazz in the second quarter (were Havoc not such a good nickname I might suggest The Punisher for his style of play), attacking and attacking, posting up, drawing fouls (he fixed his FT woes for this one as well, hitting 16-19), and got back to back open court steals and dunks off of Jazz turnovers up top (part of a great defensive stint by the pairing of Reke and new King Ime Udoka in the second). Perhaps just as important his post work was creating all kinds of open shots for Kings in the same way that a Tim Duncan or Dwight Howard's does -- the Jazz could not handle him in the post and were having to run people at him, and Reke showed he knows how to play that better than most bigs, instantly snapping crosscourt passes to all the Kings left open around the perimeter. There was a great sequence there in the second half when he initiated a pass to Hawes in the post, who quickly snapped a pass to a cutting Thompson for the foul. Got hit in the face near the end of the third + had to go into the locker room to get his mouth patched up. Was slowed in the 4th, but don't think it was the injury. Think it was largely inexperience, by both the Reke and hte Kings as a whole. The Jazz suddenly bore down, paid Reke a lot of attention, and our offense collapsed into a long ugly series of one on one plays and 24 second violations. Reke still contributed several hoops/FTs and an assist, but that iron grip he had on the game during the explosive 2nd and 3rd quarters wasn't there anymore, and it was left up to our middling backup PG and our fumblethumby PF (Reke again was cheated of several assist by Jason's inability to finsih nice setups at the rim) to seal it in the final minute. And that was enough there for me to not go with the "+" to the A. 32 and 7 is a big game for anyone, let alone a 20yr old rook in his 6th game playing against one of the league's best at his position. But I think he's still got another gear. Which is scary. Should be fun finding out if I'm right. /End gush.
 
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May ( D ) -- not a good outing, and were it not for Specner and Jason's foul trouble may not even have gotten these few minutes. Got scored over by Okur, and around by Milsap, did not have much of an answer otehr than fouls and a long jumper.

Rodriguez ( C- ) -- right on the grading threshold, but not much in two short stints in the 2nd and late third. Did join the party in hitting a three, but we lost ground with him in there (having him paired with Beno may have been part of it -- that's hopeless defensively).

Thomas ( B+ ) -- more than solid in his minutes tonight, and essentially became the winner of the I'm A Midget Big Sweepstakes to take that third big position behind Jason and Spencer. Was active on the offensive glass from the beginning, tipping those his height did not allow him to actually grab. Tipped in the tying hoop just before the end of the half. Helped control the defensive glass in the 3rd. Made a wise decision not to fool with any of that confusing "offense" stuff that always makes him look bad. Generally helped more than he has helped in years.

Udoka ( A- ) -- welcome to town Ime -- keep this up and the rest of our defensive wussies will be throwing their panties at you. Got a call in what may or may not have been desperation in the second quarter, and stepped right into his role wiht such authority that you would never have known he was a bradn new player. Promptly hit an open three on a kickout from Reke, and then teamed with Evans for an inspiring stretch of defense up top which set the tone for a 66-38 plastering whihc we laid on a good team in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. Along the way he picked up 3 steals and a block on Deron. Was not perfect -- got a 24 second violation in the late thied when he didn't get a shot up in time off an out of bounds play. Made a mistake and let Williams get a 3pt shot off with 27 seconds to go to keep the Jazz barely gasping. But while it may seem silly to give a guy who scored 5pts an A-, he played his role very well, and that can be a beautiful thing. Played defense, spotted up, stayed out of the way -- title teams always have guys like that. Crappy lottery teams don't have as much room for them, but tonight we benefitted mightily from it.

Greene ( B+ ) -- hey, can we call this a breakthrough? Not sure yet, but what it was was quite possibly the most disciplined effort we have seen out of Donte, and it paid dividends. Actually hit his first three in the first half, in rhythm, and then followed soon afterward with a second off a Reke postup and kick. In fact ended up scored 10 pts in the first half on 4-4 shooting as the 5th man in our big second quarter run, and did it all under control. Added in a new wrinkle, suggested by some talk during preseason but thus far unseen on the court, and played pretty solid defense during the stretch too, using his length, keeping his position, and again...showing discipline. Game got too tight for Westphal to chance him a 2nd time I guess, so never had much chance to either build on it or mess it up with second half play. So...maybe a breakthrough for him, but we'll have to see what happens when Casspi returns to eat up those minutes. Where will Donte's time come from?

NOTES: switching to a zone defense in second quarter really helped turn momentum, we even extended the lead with a Beno, Sergio, Udoka, Thomas, May uber scrub lineup in the 3rd. Suffered an offensive collapse in the face of pressure in the 4th and wobbled to the end, barely hanging on for the victory after being up by 20. Westphal's use of timeouts in the 4th especially was well played to break up the worst of the Jazz runs.
 
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I'm passing out A's all around. Step right up, guys.


Okay, I'm just so excited, I got carried away.
 
So how about Evans at SG tonight? niiiice! I give him an A+ tonight..

So if he continues to play like this at SG will we be looking to move Martin? :mad: (my favorite King)
 
So how about Evans at SG tonight? niiiice! I give him an A+ tonight..

So if he continues to play like this at SG will we be looking to move Martin? :mad: (my favorite King)


I knew this would be the spin, but he was at PG as much as he was at SG, and his best stretch may actually have been next to Udoka.

And running the offense thorugh him in the post is already looking scary -- looks just like a big in there. Post him, wait for the double, kick it to the open man. Our own mini-Shaq.

However as I encouraged you to only a day or two ago find a soft landing spot if Reke blew up, I'm probably being a bit uncharitable as this is one way to do it -- and it still is possible he might in fact end up being a SG. Its hard to tell -- he worked over guys at both spots tonight. Certianly if we were int he position to draft Wall it would be very very interesting.
 
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Tough poll tonight, Brick. How is the heck am I supposed to choose just one, after Reke, when it was such a TEAM win?
 
Well yah he did play a bit of PG tonight.. I would also say half and half, but having another PG in there with him takes a ton of pressure off him, and I think he can thrive in that kind of situation.
 
Loved the game tonight, Beno was huge late, but the perimeter defense with Evans/Udoka on the court in the second was a really great combo. It's amazing how really solid perimeter defense can make your interior defense look so much better.

All arguing aside on Evans, his perimeter defense has been very solid through 6 games, he has the makings of a special perimeter defender.
 
I think you need one more option in that poll, Brickie. I think the one who helped the most - after Evans - was Paul Westphal.
 
I think you need one more option in that poll, Brickie. I think the one who helped the most - after Evans - was Paul Westphal.


Actually that would have been a good idea had I had it in time. Coached a good game.
 
I have one problem with the poll.....no Kenny Thomas. 6 boards in 15 minutes..nuff said.


I fear including Kenny Thomas in polls because the answer is obviously always Kenny Thomas.

Perhaps I should have worded it "Besides Havoc, and His Gloriousness, which King..."
 
Beno did it again. I still dont get it how can he do this stuff. He doesnt get many open looks but he still scores 15 points per game. Thats amazing if you ask me. He is the true king and team leader. They won because of him and not because of tyrekes great night.
 
Reke was awesome tonight--kept feasting on the Jazz and lived at the free throw line. I remember that sequence where he made Ronnie Price look absolutely terrible. I remember Reke feasting at the free throw line in the summer league games, and this is the first time I've really seen that happen for him in a regular season game. Great job, and keep feasting.
 
Beno did it again. I still dont get it how can he do this stuff. He doesnt get many open looks but he still scores 15 points per game. Thats amazing if you ask me. He is the true king and team leader. They won because of him and not because of tyrekes great night.


You have got to be kidding!
 
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I have one problem with the poll.....no Kenny Thomas. 6 boards in 15 minutes..nuff said.


Agreed. Kenny was great at rebounding, but also played some exceptional defense, as always. Kenny is a big part of the win tonight. Go Kenny!

Reke was pure ownage tonight.

Nice to see Donte make good use of his minutes as well.

JT with another clutch wide open layup MISS. Same frustrating crap as last game. Had a pretty good game overall though.

Udoka was awesome
 
By the way, I'm absolutely loving Jason Thompson's ability to get dimes nowadays. It's a great added wrinkle to his game, and it's also helping my fantasy team. ;)
 
I voted for Ime Udoka, because his defensive presence totally turned the momentum of the game in the Kings favor in the 2nd quarter, setting the table for their big run. I loved the line-up with Evans, Udoka, Greene, Thompson, and Hawes. A hearty blend of length, activity, rebounding, shooting, and inside-out play! Go Kings!
 
You have got to be kidding!

Go easy on him. I suspect our sniperfor3 is a very happy countryman of Beno's. they've come here often enough when Beno has borne the brunt of a lot of criticism. I don't blame them for wanting to show a little love when he does it right.

:)
 
Props to Coach Westphal!!!

He seemed to push all the right buttons. Don't recall saying that too often in the last couple years.:)
 
JT seems to miss at least 1 wide open layup in crunch time every single game. Last games' miss was bad enough, but todays' almost cost the Kings the game.

I hope someone does some layup drills with him in the next practice.

He was real good today, but those layup screwups need to go
 
Beno did it again. I still dont get it how can he do this stuff. He doesnt get many open looks but he still scores 15 points per game. Thats amazing if you ask me. He is the true king and team leader. They won because of him and not because of tyrekes great night.

You are his agent, right? :cool:
 
By the way, I'm absolutely loving Jason Thompson's ability to get dimes nowadays. It's a great added wrinkle to his game, and it's also helping my fantasy team. ;)

I have, too. I'll have to check again, but before tonight I believe he was still leading the team in assists.

Makes all the "who is the PG?" talk seem kind of moot, doesn't it? Westphal has long made remarks suggesting that it would be a distributed job, and that's the norm on teams Coachie's involved with. I have mixed feelings about that approach in general, but with this roster it makes total sense. And I'm loving that JT has the opportunity to use that part of his game. I hate seeing bigs shoot 3s, but I love to see one that can pass. I've really missed that since CWebb was shipped out.
 
I voted Udoka. He played the Christie role tonight, initiating offense and feeding Tyreke off curls/posts, and just hounding the ball on defense.

And props to Westphal for the switch to zone and the first insert of Udoka, and using him with Tyreke like that. Udoka had a +19 in 20 minutes of play.
 
JT seems to miss at least 1 wide open layup in crunch time every single game. Last games' miss was bad enough, but todays' almost cost the Kings the game.

I hope someone does some layup drills with him in the next practice.

He was real good today, but those layup screwups need to go

He also grabbed a very important rebound that gave us a new clock, not to mention the very nice pass he made for an assist when we needed a basket. Yes he missed a wide open layup. There's no doubt that he rushed it. But you know what? I remember Vlade missing wide open layups. I remember Peja missing wide open layups. It happens. But that assist and rebound are just as important. It might not appear as sexy, but it helps win games
 
He also grabbed a very important rebound that gave us a new clock, not to mention the very nice pass he made for an assist when we needed a basket. Yes he missed a wide open layup. There's no doubt that he rushed it. But you know what? I remember Vlade missing wide open layups. I remember Peja missing wide open layups. It happens. But that assist and rebound are just as important. It might not appear as sexy, but it helps win games


Right, but I was just saying it's something he needs to work on. I can list the good things he did in the game but that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm just suggesting JT needs to work on that a little bit so things like wide open layups dont happen so often
 
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