[Grades] Grades v. Hornets 04/10/2013

King who gave you the most joy joy feelings on the night?

  • Salmons

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • Thompson

    Votes: 4 21.1%
  • Cousins

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Evans

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • Thomas

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • Thornton

    Votes: 3 15.8%
  • Hayes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Douglas

    Votes: 4 21.1%
  • Outlaw

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • Fredette

    Votes: 3 15.8%

  • Total voters
    19
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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MUHAHAHAHA! Watch now as I unleash the power of a fully armed and operational...er...grading consortium!

As to the "game", er... another one of these recent not as close as the score indicates blowouts. We basically controlled the game from the first quarter on, and played 3/4 of keepaway walking down the undefended Hornets lane at will and never allowing them a serious run at things, if they even wanted one. All too easy for a juggernaut like the Kings.

Full Imperial Grading Consortium + Guest Graders for tonight:
Bricklayer
Capt. Factorial
bajaden
Rainmaker
Uncia03


Boxscore

Stats: 32min 22pts (7-10, 2-4, 6-8) 3reb 3ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Salmons ( B+ ) -- see? My magic touch continues. I switch over to take John and MT, and who has a good game in this one? John and MT. John's good game though posed certain problems for me philosophically. Was playing efficiently on offense in the early going, but this was one of those sleepy creaky I'm old and my back hurts looking sorts of games effortwise from John. His defense was at times Smart, but hardly smothering. He gave absolutely no effort on the boards at all, repeatedly having players from both teams step in front or around him for balls as he stood there flatfooted. But he hit the shots he took, and then in the third...well see, there was my difficulty. In the third John scored a bunch of points, efficiently, and I hated almost every shot. Not quite everyone. But we were running the John as Kobe offense, or he was. On several occasions he took an initial pass, dribbled around for 10+ seconds, never passed or looked to pass, and threw up terrible shots... that went in. He got so hot he chucked up three pointers off his dribble, again with no passes. It was the same stupid selfish stuff so many of our guys do, and that even John feels entitled to when he's feeling it. But that's the thing, he was feeling it. And so maybe it was smart. Or Smart. Who knows. In any case, a key to much of it was the Hornets choosing to guard John with Vasquez, and getting absolutely punished for it. We even started posting John up, and he got a strong finish in there overpowering a PG who is used to being bigger than his defensive matchup, and snapping a nice pass to a cutting Reke as well. No doubt he made the most of his hot streak, but when it finally ended the low quality of the shots he was taking became a little more evident as he forced a terrible three that we'll kindly call a heat check, and bricked the three from Isaiah to close the 3rd. In any case, the guy scored 22pts on 10 FG attempts. Gordon did more damage against others than against him. Ryan Anderson did nothing. John won his matchup, was efficient and hot shooting. But I would hate it if this was the way he tried to paly every game. Hence my discomfort again, and hence why I probably grade this down half a grade from where I otherwise might.--Brick

Stats: 34min 20pts (8-12, 0-0, 4-6) 8reb 1ast 1stl 2blk 1TO
Thompson ( B ) -- In a game where the Kings took it to the Hornets in just about every way possible, JT was basically having a quiet game until he stepped in during garbagetime with the lead just barely beginning to dwindle and almost immediately scored six points to stop the bleeding. Overall, his shooting was even a little better than it looked (and his rebounding worse) due to a tippety-tippety-tip sequence in the third quarter where he got three offensive rebounds and two missed shots for the price of one rebound in three total seconds. You have to be very happy about JT's offense tonight. He started by hitting his first four shots, all different - a jumper on a screen-and-slip, a baseline floater, a lefty perpendicular drive into the lane, and a post turnaround. He had a bit of trouble from the free throw line (4-6), but it wasn't destined to hurt us, especially with JT finishing up with 20 points on 15 shots. JT's rebounding, on the other hand, left a lot to be desired. If you don't triple count the rebounding on that one sequence, he only managed a rebound on six possessions (in nearly 34 minutes of play). At the same time, he got outmuscled several times by Anthony Davis resulting in offensive rebounds (including one failed box out on a missed free throw) while not returning the favor. I was quite disappointed in JT's effort (if you can call it that) on the offensive boards when facing Davis, where he simply conceded rebound after rebound without even trying to fight through the box-out. Defensively, JT did do a pretty good, but not stellar job tonight. He got two blocks, one steal, and allowed a solid 11 points on 13 shots (though that number was helped by 3 missed free throws and a contested three in garbagetime) and did a very good job on Anthony Davis, but was not as good on Ryan Anderson, who was able to get by JT at will using his first step. Luckily, the help defense was effective when Anderson got around him so we didn't get hurt too bad by Anderson's drives, but it might have been a better strategy to rest JT when he wasn't able to guard Davis/Lopez and to give Late-Season Travis Outlaw the Anderson assignment as there was a night-and-day difference in the defense there. In the end, JT's 20 points is hard to ignore, but I'm only giving him a B because he should have put forth a much better effort on the boards tonight. --Capt.

Stats: 25min 11pts (4-10, 0-0, 3-3) 4reb 5ast 2stl 2blk 1TO
Cousins ( C- ) -- Other than a decent 1st quarter, this was a poor game all-around for Cousins, but fortunately we didn’t need him to have a good game to dominate this match-up as the Hornets came in tired from their game the other night and put up absolutely no resistance at the rim to the tune of the Kings shooting over 55% for the night. Cousins had 9 of his 11 points in the 1st quarter playing aggressive basketball. His first shot was at the start of the game with a strong take to the rim finishing with the and-one. His next two baskets were the ones you love to see where he hustled down the floor in transition, got great post-position against Davis and had easy lay-ups muscling right through Davis. He hit his 3 free-throws and his last make was one of his patented mid-court steals off a lazy pass and a subsequent rumbling down the court for the jam. He also displayed beautiful passing ability notching 5 assists to only 1 turn-over. He repeatedly made good passes from the post to find the right shooter who were knocking down their shots. Those were the positives (using his strength against Davis in the post and hustling in transition) and they mostly came in that 1st quarter. However there was a lot to dislike in this game from DMC. I had the opportunity to grade all three Centers in this game and my comments will pretty much extend to all of them in regards to their pick-n-roll (PnR) defense. I don’t want to go on-and-on about PnR defense, but there are basically two ways to play it. Either you switch it if you have the personnel, or you hedge (show real hard) to disrupt the guard and allow the defense to recover, then quickly get back to your man. The Hornets play a PnR offense with Gordon/Vasquez working with Lopez/Davis and they ran it over and over and over again. And DMC basically had one good PnR defense at the 8:50 mark of the 3rd quarter after Smart had called a time-out because the team wasn’t playing good defense. On pretty much every other PnR possession he either flat-out failed or didn’t finish the defensive play. I’ve decided to use the term ‘Lay-In-Wait’ (LIW) as to what I saw a lot of in this game. The LIW strategy is to barely hedge at all and basically allow the opposing guard to come off the screen with you in the middle of the paint about 5-8 feet from the guard. It’s essentially putting the Center in no-man’s-land where you are giving the guard either the opportunity to pull up for the jumper or attempt a drive at the rim. DMC employed the LIW quite a few times resulting in good scoring opportunities for the Hornets. There were times where he properly showed hard, but in almost every instance he continued to follow the guard and lost sight of his own man, which ended up resulting in a good scoring opportunity for the Hornets. Also, it was this really poor execution of PnR defense which left DMC out of position on rebounding opportunities which is why he only tallied 4 for the entire game. With about 2.5 minutes left in the 2nd Quarter I noticed that he had essentially taken the last couple possessions off and was looking winded. He was taken out of the game around that time. His outside shot was off tonight including a really bad airball and I think that fatigue might have been a factor there, as other than a few of those hustle plays, he didn’t really seem to have his legs under him. He eventually fouled out of this game after only playing 25 minutes, but I think the fouls along with the poor outside shooting was a result of being tired for whatever reason. If the Hornets weren’t so awful we would have needed a much better performance out of DMC, but fortunately it didn’t matter tonight. --Uncia

Stats: 23min 8pts (4-7, 0-1, 0-0) 4reb 3ast 1stl 0blk 2TO
Evans ( C- ) -- It was a blow out win, but Tyreke had little to do with it. He managed 8 points on 4 of 7 shooting, which on the surface doesn't sound that bad, but he really didn't impact that game the way we're used to seeing him do. He started by saving a rebound from going out of bounds, and then recieving the ball back at the other end where he missed an open three. Perhaps the next play should have been an indicator of how his night was going to go when he led a fast break right to the top of the foul line, and then threw it away. I guess you could say it was a mixed bag for Tyreke tonight. He followed just about every bad play, with a good play. Like hitting Cousins under the basket with a beautiful pass. Or the great outlet pass the full length of the floor to I. Thomas for a layup. But unfortunately, he also drove into the lane and had the ball knocked out of his hand and off his knee for a turnover. In the second half he started by grabbing a rebound, going the full length of the floor, exploding past two defenders and laying it in. Then he drove the left baseline into three defenders and left the shot a foot short of the basket. Offensively, it was just one of those nights where he struggled to get into the flow of the game. I had written down that he was playing good defense. But when Douglas came into the game, and gave a clinic on how to play defense, it made me somewhat hesitant to heap high praise on any other King. What separates good players from average players, is consistency. If Tyreke can find a way to be consistent every night, and make better decisions with the ball, he will separate himself from the majority of the players in the league. He has all the tools now, he just has to learn how, and when to apply them.--Baja
 
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Stats: 27min 15pts (6-13, 1-2, 2-4) 3reb 3ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Thomas ( B+ ) -- Isaiah came out and played with what I thought was a very team oriented tone and either by direction or choice showed a willingness to play and move off the ball from the start. He was a key factor in us getting rolling in the 1st quarter and even turned on the "showtime" for a stretch as he attacked NO in transition with multiple highlight reel finishes, including a sweet Jason Williams-esque open court behind-the-back dribble and layup. NO could not handle the pace IT set in the first. Looked to either attack in transition or was quick to initiate the offense as he looked to get others touches and involved. Thought it was a very good floor game from IT in the 1st and what was his reward? Sat next to BJax until under two minutes left in the half. The bench played very well all night and NO never seriously threatened our lead, but IT struggled to find the rhythm he had in the 1st quarter after half. Defensively held Vasquez to a terrible 2-6 night, a guy who's given IT trouble previously, but did have some trouble matching up with Brian Roberts(20/6/7) who I'm not sure Keith spent much time game planning for. Quiet 2nd half as he never really found his scoring touch and didn't create much for others(0 assists after 1st quarter), but we were playing well and IT was playing off Salmons much of that time. I generally would like our PG not to lead our team in FGA's and get a few assists after the 1st, however I thought IT did do a good job sharing the ball tonight and the statline is a little misleading. Played well off others including a 3 to put us back up 20 and cap off a run late in the 3rd. Everyone was involved. Seemed to get the team into the offense and make the initial pass quicker tonight and I thought in general we got into our sets quicker tonight. Very solid game from IT. --Rain

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Bench

Stats: 30min 20pts (8-13, 4-8, 0-0) 5reb 0ast 1stl 1blk 2TO
Thornton ( B) -- not horribly involved again in the early going, hit his only early shot, a three off a kick, and missed a play where he did not cut when Hayes expected him to leading to a turnover. But started knocking down what he took in the second, and guys were finding him out on the perimeter. Still threw up a couple of chucker classics off his dribble, and those he missed. Ended the half with another last second end of period opportunity which he again was going to take come hell or high water...but this time he drained the tough three off his dribble in the corner. Was back in again late in the 3rd and immediaely helped with a tough defensive board but with IT ITing at the time, it took him a few minutes to get back into the action. Started the fourth quickshooting and missing a three, but actually made an excellent defensive play to trigger a break the other way. But it was kind fo an odd quarter for him, as first while we had a huge lead he didn't seem to get the spirit of the thing and was looking for himself rather than doing what Cuz was doing and trying to help the scrubbies score. And then after a few minutes of that, he just disappeared entirely and was out there without actually doing anything except for once landing on Anthony Davis's knee in what had to be a scary moment for Hornets fans wasn't playing. --Brick

Stats: 17min 4pts (2-3, 0-0, 0-0) 2reb 4ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Hayes ( C ) -- It wasn’t a great game by Chuck, but the offense did flow a lot through him while he was out on the floor to the point that at no time did the Kings offense stall. Hayes had some great passes including whipping the ball from the post to the open IT for the 3 and a fantastic full court pass to Tony Douglas for the easy transition bucket. But his passing and offensive facilitation were the best part of his game tonight. He scored on 2 of his 3 attempts with both being little baby hooks in the lane. I’m not a fan of him attempting to back down his man in the lane but the attempts were limited and he had good success picking his moments, so it worked out well. I was surprised that he did not play the PnR much better than Cousins tonight. I don’t know exactly what was going on, but there appeared to be a lot of mis-communication with Tyreke in the PnR Coverage which resulted in easy looks for the Hornets. In addition, he seemed to switch the PnR quite a bit even on weak screens that would have been relatively easy to maintain the defensive assignment. He provided very little in the rebounding department (2) mostly due to the fact that he did not have good rebounding position due to the PnR coverage keeping him out of good rebounding position. --Uncia

Stats: 21min 4pts (2-5, 0-1, 0-0) 5reb 6ast 3stl 0blk 1TO
Douglas ( A- ) -- Looking at Tony's statline tonight you might see 2-6 and 4 points and think how the heck does that equate to an A- performance? For the second game in a row Tony changed the complexion of the game with his defense. He was again back to his pick-pocketing ways as he collected three more steals which led to transition scoring opportunities. Came in in the early 2nd quarter and pressured the ball from the start. Immediately changed our defensive intensity. What is impressive is how many of Doulgas' steals come in 1v1 situations against opposing PG's. He's not just in passing lanes but is squaring up defensively against PG's and flat out just taking the ball from them. Both in the 2nd and 4th quarter's tonight when it appeared NO might start to make a push, Tony tightened up the defense, forced errors and we capitalized in transition. What changed the game weren't just Tony's steals, it's that he hawked the ball well outside the 3pt line, often picking up full court and taking NO out of a rhythm. He got in passing lines. He fought over screens. He was inside the jersey's of the NO PG's. And I think the entire team picked up its defensive effort watching Tony's display. He did not shoot well and did not look to score, but ran the team very well picking up a team high 6 assists. Controlled the flow of the game and along with MT fought off the minor NO run in the 4th. If this were a starter I probably would not have given an A-. But I have to consider Tony's role. He's not supposed to lead the team is scoring or attempt too, he's supposed to run the team efficiently and impact the game defensively. He's a role player, and given his role I'm not sure how much better you can expect than a backup PG changing the intensity level of our team defense during both his stints while doing a very good job setting up his shooters and running the offense as well as cleaning up on the glass(5 rebs). Only thing keeping this from an A game was hitting a couple more shots. I can't remember another Kings guard to impact a game defensively for us to this extent since Doug Christie. --Rain

Stats: 15min 9pts (4-6, 1-1, 0-0) 3reb 0ast 0stl 2blk 1TO
Outlaw ( B- ) -- Travis came in off the bench, and immediately made a difference when he blocked a shot by Ryan Anderson near the basket. A short time later, with around 5 ticks left on the shot clock, he hit a three with a hand in his face. He played with intensity, and unselfishly I thought. In one sequence, he out hustled everyone by tracking down a long rebound off a missed three. He then hit an open corner three. The Kings then ran three different players off a pick at the top of the key, with Travis being the third player. He turned the corner and looked like he just floated to the basket to lay it in. He wasn't perfect! At one point he did a ball fake which froze his defender, put the ball on the floor for two bounces and pulled up for an open 14 footer, which he missed. In the second half, he dribbled into the key and had the ball stolen. He polished off the night by blocking another shot which bounced to Tony Douglas who took it and layed it in. In his 15 minutes of playing time, he only made a couple of mistakes, and everything else was a plus. Too bad Travis can't do this every night. If he could, we wouldn't be looking for a starting SF this coming offseason. I've been critical of Outlaw this season. But tonight he played well, and was part of the group that helped build the lead. --Baja

Stats: 5min 2pts (0-0, 0-0, 2-2) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
Aldrich ( D ) -- Only got in for 5 minutes in this one, but managed to post a +/- of -15. Ouch! With that being said, he didn’t actually play horrifically in this one. He had a lot of energy, but just wasn’t terribly effective. He hustled down the court and did his best to protect the rim, and made some good half-court defensive plays. However, he also misplayed the PnR 3 times in his short stint out there. He had no rebounds or blocks but helped the Kings get an offensive rebound and had a nice block in transition which didn’t count as a ticky-tack foul was called on Tony Douglas.
With the Kings spiraling downward he was pulled with 3.5 minutes left and replaced by JT who came in and righted the ship with a few nice buckets. Though the energy and hustle was there, his lack of offense along with with sub-par defense didn’t help the Kings in this one tonight. --Uncia

Stats: 11min 6pts (2-6, 2-3, 0-0) 0reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Fredette ( C ) -- Jimmer had a very quiet night against NO. Saw 11 minutes of action but that all came in the 4th quarter and he didn't come in until the game was essentially already decided. Hit two 3's in the 4th, one with his feet calmly set after nice off the ball movement to spot up on the break but didn't really have any other impact out there. Tony was the main ball handler and MT had it going on offense which limited Jimmer's opportunities next to them. Also tallied an assist but that was the extent of his contributions for the evening. Quiet night. Had some good looks but tonight they weren't falling. When you're a shooter and you go 2-6, it's not a good night when you don't chip in elsewhere. Probably would give Jimmer a C- but since it was a blowout, we were in control and didn't need more I'll round it up to a C. --Rain
 
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Congratulations guys. Hustling, hustling, taking good shos and making shots. Enough defense to get yourselves some easy shots you made. Your going to win some games when Salmons, Thompson, Thornton and Ouylaw shoot that we'll. you can save Cuz, Evans and Thomas for another day. Also this win cheers one fan up, me.
 
And if my instincts are correct, this thread would normally have 40 or more posts by this time if we would have lost. One could assume that posters on here are a negative lot. (smile). And, oh yes, Brick, you don't have to apologize for giving Salmons a good grade.
 
And if my instincts are correct, this thread would normally have 40 or more posts by this time if we would have lost. One could assume that posters on here are a negative lot. (smile). And, oh yes, Brick, you don't have to apologize for giving Salmons a good grade.

I was apologizing to myself for being forced to -- I know most would just kneejerk it off because of nice numbers and because Jerry told them to. However results are not the issue if they are not consistently repeatable. He didn't play this one right, he just got away with it. My rule is that in that situation I still have to give the good grade, because one way or the other it worked. But less than I would have had he played the game in a style I thought could lead to repeated long term success.

As for lack of activity, all I can figure is that the news about the Maloofs has people distracted.
 
A heartening win. Maybe the Western Conference is a lot more competitive than the East. I liked the pace and great transition baskets. Encouraging inside defense against a weaker opponent. Lots of lay-ups by the Kings and few by NO. The Kings did to New Orleans last nite what many other teams do to the Kings. Sacto has become a team that can score on almost anyone. The transition game is massively improved. Now if they can just get to that pesky defense. They showed some great defense in spurts.
 
I didn't watch the game because the games seem meaningless at this point. I can almost predict how the players will do and I know I will continue to work on my Smart induced ulcer. The season is already over. Let's see where the team plays next year.
 
Regarding Salmons and his rebounding:

Against NO, 3 rebs.
Against Memphis, 0 rebs
Dallas 2 rebs

In contrast, IT had 3 rebs against NO, 6 against Memphis, and 3 against Dallas; he's outrebounded Salmons 12-5 in the last three games. Over the last 10 games Salmons has averaged 3.1 rebs/game. This is very sad. Sometimes, stats don't tell the story, but when it comes to rebounds they typically do. It's the best stat around that indicates effort. It's not a mirage when you see Salmons looking at a loose ball rather than going after it.
 
Regarding Salmons and his rebounding:

Against NO, 3 rebs.
Against Memphis, 0 rebs
Dallas 2 rebs

In contrast, IT had 3 rebs against NO, 6 against Memphis, and 3 against Dallas; he's outrebounded Salmons 12-5 in the last three games. Over the last 10 games Salmons has averaged 3.1 rebs/game. This is very sad. Sometimes, stats don't tell the story, but when it comes to rebounds they typically do. It's the best stat around that indicates effort. It's not a mirage when you see Salmons looking at a loose ball rather than going after it.

i maintain that rebounds usually tell most of the story. i find rebounding to be the single most important aspect of the game at the professional level. a good rebounding team gives up fewer scoring opportunities to opponents, and is able to secure more scoring opportunities for themselves. the kings have good rebounders at the center and shooting guard positions, an occasionally-solid rebounding PF, but mediocre-to-poor rebounders everywhere else. some of that has to do with size. some of that has to do with effort. the team simply needs more defensively-inclined talent that will crash the boards...
 
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i maintain that rebounds usually tell most of the story. i find rebounding to be the single most important aspect of the game at the professional level. a good rebounding team gives up fewer scoring opportunities to opponents, and is able to secure more scoring opportunities for themselves. the kings have good rebounders at the center and shooting guard positions, an occasionally-solid rebounding PF, but mediocre-to-poor rebounders everywhere else. some of that has to do with size. some of that has to do with effort. the team simply needs more defensively-inclined talent that will crash the boards...

PF is still a ? on the rebounding front. It's been a dissapointment. The greatest negative surprise of this team has got to be rebounding.
 
Stats: 21min 4pts (2-5, 0-1, 0-0) 5reb 6ast 3stl 0blk 1TO
Douglas ( A- ) -- Looking at Tony's statline tonight you might see 2-6 and 4 points and think how the heck does that equate to an A- performance? For the second game in a row Tony changed the complexion of the game with his defense. He was again back to his pick-pocketing ways as he collected three more steals which led to transition scoring opportunities. Came in in the early 2nd quarter and pressured the ball from the start. Immediately changed our defensive intensity. What is impressive is how many of Doulgas' steals come in 1v1 situations against opposing PG's. He's not just in passing lanes but is squaring up defensively against PG's and flat out just taking the ball from them. Both in the 2nd and 4th quarter's tonight when it appeared NO might start to make a push, Tony tightened up the defense, forced errors and we capitalized in transition. What changed the game weren't just Tony's steals, it's that he hawked the ball well outside the 3pt line, often picking up full court and taking NO out of a rhythm. He got in passing lines. He fought over screens. He was inside the jersey's of the NO PG's. And I think the entire team picked up its defensive effort watching Tony's display. He did not shoot well and did not look to score, but ran the team very well picking up a team high 6 assists. Controlled the flow of the game and along with MT fought off the minor NO run in the 4th. If this were a starter I probably would not have given an A-. But I have to consider Tony's role. He's not supposed to lead the team is scoring or attempt too, he's supposed to run the team efficiently and impact the game defensively. He's a role player, and given his role I'm not sure how much better you can expect than a backup PG changing the intensity level of our team defense during both his stints while doing a very good job setting up his shooters and running the offense as well as cleaning up on the glass(5 rebs). Only thing keeping this from an A game was hitting a couple more shots. I can't remember another Kings guard to impact a game defensively for us to this extent since Doug Christie. --Rain

I will blatantly admit that watching Douglas was my daughter's and I favorite part of the night. We loved seeing the press in the back court, the energy, and the determination.
 
I didn't watch the game because the games seem meaningless at this point. I can almost predict how the players will do and I know I will continue to work on my Smart induced ulcer. The season is already over. Let's see where the team plays next year.
If I can't see the team play, like last night, I'm not sure I care where they are next year. Just saying.........
for me it's the game, good or bad team. The article in the Bee talked about the King's first 14 seasons here. In comparison with those years this year is rather normal and that was my Kings experience. Sorry about your Kings ulcer causing experience.
 
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