Grades v. Heat 11/02

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Bricklayer

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Peja ( F ) -- started off the game in embarassing fashion, missing his first three shots including two really embarrassing gimme layups that weren't even close. Got on the scoreboard with a pair of FTs, and then hit a three, but even that looked odd -- much slower release than normal, I would imagine because he was being careful and tryign to feel it all the way up. Just completely ineffective again. Briefly looked alive in the third, hitting back to back shots that looked closer to being in rhythm. But then completely collpased and disappeared for the remainder. Closed the night with an airballed three in the final minute. No idea why he was out there so long again. Reminiscient of the Webb situation after he returned in '04, except of course that this is a pinky sprain rather than career-threatening knee surgery. In either case, its the dark side of Rick's greatest strength -- creating a comfort zone for his players by showing complete confidence in them. Just no way a guy who is shooting that poorly, doing little else, and with a well publicized owie, needs to play 40min.
Reef ( D+ ) -- remarkable sequence in the early first quarter against Zo seemed to set the tone for the whole night. Reef started it off throwing down a powerful dunk just before Zo got there on the rotation, and as Zo fell down, Reef ended up standing over him. Posterized. Well, it was a nice play, but one of those that may have backfired. Zo played the rest of the game like a man possessed in there, and seemed to especially have it in for Reef, blocking TWO of Reef's dunk attempts on his way to a huge seven block night. Would not surprise me at all if it was the Zo pride kicking in. Meanwhile, Reef could never get anything consistent going in there, was harassed by Zo, and turned in one of those no rebound efforts that remind you of his SF roots. Ended up losing some of his second half minutes to Kenny Thomas, who was at least competing on the glass.
Miller ( A- ) -- for one night solved half of his center woes this season -- got chippee, got brawly, and finally gave us a rebounding night. Of course now it was his turn to find himself in there pretty much alone on the glass. Scored well as well, but the passing was a bit of a missed bag with Brad throwing a bad turnover for every nice dime. Unfortunately the other half of his woes were as bad as ever -- just can't shut down that lane. And there may be no answer there given his athletic deficiencies. Nonetheless perhaps our best tonight, and good to see him show that he is at least capable of outrebounding a one-kidneyed man. ;)
Bonzi ( B+ ) -- started the game with a transition three point play, and was dynamic for the entire first quarter. But Wade got into a rhythm as he went along, got stronger and stronger, and began to win the matchup. As usual Bonzi did not give up though, and while the rebounding was not as dynamic this time out, Bonzi instead cranked up the help defense, came up with 4 steals (actually 5 -- Brad's was knocked into his hands by Bonzi) 3 blocks and had his hands on balls all night long. Another pain in the *** performance, and threw in a few nice finishes around the rim as well. But just not enough tonight, and for the second game in a row Bonzi was good, but his opponent was better
Bibby ( C+ ) -- Mike was....ok. Not great. Not terrible. Just ok. Made some nice passes and seemed to be playing more of the traditional PG role with Peja back and taking up the shots , but never really had a huge impact for any stretch of the game, and JWill got the better of him. Defensive effort was not bad, but Jason's lightning quickness still caused problems at times. Actually did better against him than Hart however (see below). So...shrug game. Had a few good looks late that coould have helped us, and helped his grade too. But just never able to hit enough to have a real impact.
Thomas ( B+ ) -- settling in a bit now as a solid if unspectacular reserve. Feisty and battled in there, frustrating Twoine and stealing some of Reef's minutes with his willingness to get on the glass.
Garcia ( C+ ) -- looked pretty good, competed well, and used his length. Modest results, but did not hurt us. Flashes of good defense mixed with sloppy plays and rookie learning experiences. Could be a B-.
Hart ( D+ ) -- had a reasonable first half running the offense, but while he was dropping down into his defensive stance on several occasions in there against JWill, he apparently forgot that its best to do so somewhere in the general vicinity of your opponent, otherwise they, like JWill did, will drain three pointers over your head. Thus our defenisve backup PG manages to combine zero points of his own with providing a spark to the opposing PG to have a 16 pt half (well over his season average). At least Hart showed a little ability to run the team and looked like he knew what he was doing on offense. Mostly.

Adelman ( C ) -- This game felt flat from the beginning. A big part of that was the crowd -- who were dead and apprehensive before the horn even sounded. Do not know if its just the state of the team, or whether it is the arena stuff too. But either way, they were dead, and muttering soon after the opening tip. We hung around in this one, but I really wasn't feeling us as a threat., Miami has kind of an ugly lineup right now, they are missing a their little 7'0" tall 350lb man in the middle, they are 3000 miles from home, and they still looked the better squad. Most of our runs weren't because we started playing great so much as Miami just missed a few shots. But we could never get over the hump. Never get closer than 4 or 5. And finally they just squeezed us down the stretch and we just kind of quietly expired. Rather depressing game in front of a depressed crowd. As for Rick, some significant questions for me which are reflected in his grade. Why do you play an injured and ineffective Peja 40min? Would could possibly be the point as he shoots 3-16 with the crowd turning hostile? I understand what Rick is trying to do settling into an 8 mna rotation, but that depends on the 5 starters all producing. Garcia has moved past Kevin at this point, and is doing ok but hardly lighting it up. Thomas is our only frontcourt reserve (thought it was a good move to give him some of Reef's minutes tonight). And therein was another question raised by others -- what about Skinner? On another night when the rim was wide open and we were being outhustled by a hyperactive 35yr old with one kidney, where was our own 6'9" 250lb enforcer type? Sigh. 7-9. Wonder if we'll actually allow this team to pay out the string if it looks to be a .500 squad? If not, if you're going to do something to give us a kick, wouldn't think it would be that far off.
 
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Team Grade D because of bad defense

Peja F+ for taking too many shots
SAR D+ didn't do enough
Brad B+ Solid effort but....
Rest of the team C
 
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The Kings had their chances. It came down to just poor shooting. 3-15 3pt shooting and Peja was 3-16 overall. If Bibby and Peja hit their averages then the Kings add 14 pts and win the game.
 
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If Peja shot his average he would have been around 7-16 or 8-16. His average PPG is 21. He scored 11. Add 10 pts and the Kings still lose.

Bibby missed 2 freethrows and was 1-5 on 3pt attempts. He averaged ~20 PPG last year and is usually a high 30s 3pt shooter. He scored 16 so he is 4pts under.

Bibby + Peja's underperformance = 14pts

That would have won the game.
 
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yeah, that is why I listed defense as the number one reason that the Kings lost in the game thread but Peja's shooting also contributed a big part to this lost.
 
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Forget Peja. Forget offense.

We got killed on defense. We let them shoot near 50%.

Like I said in another post - offense can sputter and stall game to game. Reef was getting manhandled by Zo. Peja couldn't shoot. Bibby was taking a lot of ill-advised shots.

Our issue came on the defensive end.

I also have to give a major "BOO-HISS" to my boy Reef. 3 Rebounds from you ... sad.
 
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Fillmoe

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SacDoug said:
If Peja shot his average he would have been around 7-16 or 8-16. His average PPG is 21. He scored 11. Add 10 pts and the Kings still lose.

Bibby missed 2 freethrows and was 1-5 on 3pt attempts. He averaged ~20 PPG last year and is usually a high 30s 3pt shooter. He scored 16 so he is 4pts under.

Bibby + Peja's underperformance = 14pts

That would have won the game.
peja was only part of the reason we lost..... the other part was alonzo mourning... he single handedly took away 14 points with his 7 blocks.......
 

SLAB

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Bibby...C+...Didn't have the offense, but had a solid passing game...Good passing for the first time in what seems like forever is the only thing that helps his game from the depths of mediocrity.

Bonzi...B+...
Another solid game for Bonzi...16 points, 5 rebounds, 4 steals, 3 blocks. Solid...Very solid.

Peja...F-...
Pathetic...Just pathetic...Won't grace him with an explanation.

SAR...D+...Well...He played some offense...And that's all he did...

Miller...A...
Finally stepped away from being Brad the wussy point-center, and played Brad the tough point center...15 rebounds...Now that is nice.

Thomas...B+...
Provided a very nice spark off the bench...Rebounded really nicley, and played good offense.

Cisco...C...
Nothing special, but played a solid game in his minutes...A few steals, a block, a few baskets, a few assists...Contributed a little something across the entire board.

Hart...C-...Just continues to kinda just be 'out there.' Never does anything great, but never anything bad either.

And again, I will complain about Rick leaving Peja out there when he is obviously struggling immensly...This is probably the Cisco homer within me, but wouldn't you rather someone who could actually do something to help the team? When Peja struggles, he's worthless. And now he's struggling.
 
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playmaker0017

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I like him and he won't be easy to replace, but I really think I hear the loud ticking of the clock for RA. It just ain't working out there.
If we ditch RA - ditch the Yoda impersonator aka Pete Carill.
 
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My opinions on the starters

Bibby - played well, his 3 points shots just weren't there for him today. Couldn't contain Williams as well as he should have been. Williams is good, but Bibby should have been able to handle him.

Wells - Somewhat solid play, but his opponent was THE Wade. considering the circumstances, he did fine. It just wasn't enough today.

Peja - Blew it. Still suffering "I-just-got-back" syndrome prone to players just coming out of injury. Perhaps things might have been better if Adelman eased him back in by letting him off the bench for a while. Even so, he took too many shots himself.

SAR - Subpar. I am one of his biggest fan, and as one, I must say he hasn't done what he has to do. Seems his years in Atlanta and Portland made him too comfortable as a role player. With his ability, he should take charge. I personally believe he is the best player on the team, and therefore, he must take the responsibility in losses. That was true especially today. As much as it pains me so, he didn't do his job this time.

Miller - A valiant effort. Was the best player in the team today. Sadly, as much as I respect him, it is usually not a good news for the Kings if he alone is the sunshine in the game. Today, unfortunately, was the case. Of course, he played against one of the greatest in Mourning, who is still one of the best in the league.
 
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DirkAB

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SacDoug said:
If Peja shot his average he would have been around 7-16 or 8-16. His average PPG is 21. He scored 11. Add 10 pts and the Kings still lose.

Bibby missed 2 freethrows and was 1-5 on 3pt attempts. He averaged ~20 PPG last year and is usually a high 30s 3pt shooter. He scored 16 so he is 4pts under.

Bibby + Peja's underperformance = 14pts

That would have won the game.
I've never seen somebody analyze the stats in such a manner. As interesting as that analysis is, I don't think it is as simple as saying Bibby and Peja lost the game because the didn't score their average.
 
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playmaker0017

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SLAB said:
Miller...A...Finally stepped away from being Brad the wussy point-center, and played Brad the tough point center...15 rebounds...Now that is nice.
Grabbing rebounds was nice, but Brad was anything but tough.

I still can't figure out why teams don't guard him. He can't hit covered jump shots, but is killer when he's open. Yet teams consistantly leave him wide open.

I'd give him a B+, personally. He just wasn't dominating enough to warrant 4 TOs.

14 of the 15 rebounds were flat footed rebounds. They weren't due to any effort, rather than just the luck of the bounce.
 

SLAB

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vj9999 said:
So basically if Peja doesn't play well , Kings can't win?!

Peja is this year's Chris Webber. The easiest one to point your finger at.
Well, when you're 3-16 it's pretty easy to point the finger...
 
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playmaker0017

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DirkAB said:
I've never seen somebody analyze the stats in such a manner. As interesting as that analysis is, I don't think it is as simple as saying Bibby and Peja lost the game because the didn't score their average.
Yeah, because then you have to say Miller grabbed too many rebounds. He should have only grabbed his average. If he did that we get killed on the boards.

Nah. It's never that simple.
 
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Fillmoe said:
peja was only part of the reason we lost..... the other part was alonzo mourning... he single handedly took away 14 points with his 7 blocks.......

True. That shows a new weakness and aspect to the Kings. They are not longer a perimeter team. They have to be able to get to the basket or they struggle. They don't take very many 3pt shots anymore. Now they score by cutting to the basket and jump shots with a few post ups here and there. A good shot blocker like Mourning can disrupt half the King's offense.
 
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vj9999 said:
So basically if Peja doesn't play well , Kings can't win?!

Peja is this year's Chris Webber. The easiest one to point your finger at.
Ummmm...

3-16.

Nuff said.
 
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DirkAB said:
I've never seen somebody analyze the stats in such a manner. As interesting as that analysis is, I don't think it is as simple as saying Bibby and Peja lost the game because the didn't score their average.

The Kings are not going to win the game on defense. The only way for them to beat a good team like Miami is to outscore them. When your two best scorers are underperforming, you lose.
 
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playmaker0017

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vj9999 said:
True, but he can go 9-10 and score 25 points in a half and still be criticized for a loss.
Look, I'm a Reef homer ... and from your posts it seems you fall into the Peja realm.

You have to realize that as a prime player Peja has to shoulder a responsibility.

This loss, to me, had a lot to do with Reef's lackluster performance.

As a fan of your player, you've got to realize they deserve criticism at times and as major players ... they need to lift this team.
 

SLAB

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vj9999 said:
True, but he can go 9-10 and score 25 points in a half and still be criticized for a loss.
Well...When that does indeed happen people can be justified in defending him...

But when a player who is nothing more than a shooter shoots 3-16, there's plenty reason to be bashing the guy.
 
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playmaker0017

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SacDoug said:
The Kings are not going to win the game on defense. The only way for them to beat a good team like Miami is to outscore them. When your two best scorers are underperforming, you lose.
I wonder if this is the speech RA gives the guys before the games?

"Hey, you're not going to win on defense, that's for sure. Go forth and outscore them."

Sounds about right for the way we play.
 
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vj9999 said:
True, but he can go 9-10 and score 25 points in a half and still be criticized for a loss.
Well, in the 2nd half he hurt his hand further, and couldn't score. So he played d (Rashard scored 3 pts in the 2nd half) and grabbed a few key boards (saving offensive possesions from the sonics, where they could of scored). We would of won that if he was still okay.

I don't know why people are expecting him to play like before the injury (aka quite well) in his third game back (the first two being in a row) from that injury still not gone.
 
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playmaker0017 said:
I wonder if this is the speech RA gives the guys before the games?

"Hey, you're not going to win on defense, that's for sure. Go forth and outscore them."

Sounds about right for the way we play.

That is how the team is made. It is an offensive team. Adelman and other team officials have said it many times that they must make shots to win.

Now if we talk about Detroit or San Antonio, then they can win with Defense. Not so with the Kings.
 
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vj9999 said:
True, but he can go 9-10 and score 25 points in a half and still be criticized for a loss.
When has this ever happened? If he puts up his career average, I'd be fine with it. He can't even compare to Webber. Webb's averages included significant rebounds and assists. Also people had an unnatural fixation on his FG% even when he strung together a series of TDs. He shot his average percentage and was above average everywhere else. Peja has consistently been below average. Where's the injustice here?
 
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playmaker0017 said:
Look, I'm a Reef homer ... and from your posts it seems you fall into the Peja realm.

You have to realize that as a prime player Peja has to shoulder a responsibility.

This loss, to me, had a lot to do with Reef's lackluster performance.

As a fan of your player, you've got to realize they deserve criticism at times and as major players ... they need to lift this team.
I know you are a Reef homer, and I do have soft spot for Peja, but I am far from a player fan. I honestly try to present my self as a team fan first.

I guess I just have a weakness for defending players that everybody else is ready to lynch :) It just gets hard to take a role like that year after year. Last year it was Webber bashing, this year it is Peja (and I am not saying that there is no reason to bash him). Heck... there was a point in time when people were bashing Doug Christie every day.
 
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