Grades v. Hawks 11/22

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Bricklayer

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First of all, before getting started wiht the grades I'd just like to take a moment to post this little trade idea that I worked out at RealGm... ;)

Note: These grades as a group feel too high given our defense once again. But I can't decide who to dock down the most, so they are what they are.

Barnes ( A- ) -- good Matt was back tonight, and while this is not a real compliment for the Kings as an elite squad, I'm not at all sure we beat the Hawks without him. Hustle hustle and hustle, and gave us that critical scrappy roleplayer that we otherwise lack. Did all of the little things and came up with a double double. Still made some of his overeager mistakes, but can't fault the effort. Caught a case of Kings disease in the last few minutes as he started throwing up softie flips toward the hoop just begging for Josh Smith to swat them out of the building.
Webber ( B+ ) -- played a smart in control first half, with the one demerit being that he wasn't showing up much on the boards (part of that was that the Hawks were going small so he was on the perimeter a lot, but part of it was just a certain sluggishness too). Was passing well, and very efficient on offense. Began to force shots unnecessarily in the third, but came back strong in the 4th with a burst that opened the game back up for us and steady play down the stretch. Eyes opened up wide as suacers every time he saw Drobnjak come into the game to guard him. Scoring oriented tonight, although when you have Webb's talent scoring oriented means only coming up with 30pts 6rebs 7ast 2stl as well as one important block late in the game to help secure things.
Miller ( A- ) -- started off the game in shaky fashion, as it was another one of those matador nights for Brad where every man, woman or newborn child born with at least one leg was running right at him without the least bit of fear. But eventually settled in and gave us a nice battling game. Was big on the glass, which is as always critical for us, and passed well. On offense eschewed the jumper for most of the night to try to charge inside. Had a few nice conversions, but as a rule the strategy did not work very well and he had a lot of balls knocked away. Finally found a guy he could guard who wouldn't just go right over him in Al Harrington, but then of course Al just went around him instead. I'm not really sure this is an A- against this team, but given our extreme and desperate need for somebody to step up on the glass, if ANY King grabs 14 rebs in a game its an A of some sort.
Mobley ( B ) -- came out very aggressive in this one. Was forcing a little, but hitting most his shots inside the three point line. Remained active, but offense fell off as the game went along. Jusdt very little to say about this game. 20pt scoring guard's night as we once again dropped 114 on an opponent. But lacked "flavor".
Bibby ( B+ ) -- started off the game a little overeager on offense -- was taking too many shots. But he was also doing other things from the very start of the game (boards and even coming up with steals). And settled down as the game went along and started to really run the offense. Made some bad turnovers again in the 4th -- a terrible habit he seems to be developing.
Evans ( D+ ) -- there was a time there in December when just about every game Mo played was very very consistent. But he's had the occassional bad ineffective game here in the last month, and this was one of them. Looked just a little off in everything he was doing. A step slow, a little off balance, head not quite in the game. Made an early steal, but otherwise really quiet.
Songaila ( A- ) -- Darius gave us a nice nice game tonight. Not just the normal passive little jumper game, but a lot of hustle around the hoop and some strong boardwork that was really absent in recent games. The one negative he had was problems trying to guard the variety of smallish players the Hawks were throwing out there at us at the PF.
House ( B ) -- made a couple of nice assists in the 4th quarter

Adelman ( B ) -- Well, we won. Getting this Kings team to actually put anybody away seems impossible at this point, so I guess we have to just settle for staying just a few steps ahead all night. Jumped up early, and really never relinquished the lead. Bit deceptive, as they were numerous points where it felt like we just might relinquish the lead, but this was pretty much a wire to wire job. Went with the 8 man rotation, which was reasonable enough with all of our main players playing more or less well and one of the reserves already starting.

ArcoCrowd ( Ugh ) -- do they still have that retired jersey up in the rafters for the fans? Somebody want to pull it down next time they are there. Don't worry, there's not likely to be anybody else in the arena to see you, and if they are there they certainly won't make any noise to alert anyone. Well, might boo you a little, but that's about it.
 
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Bricklayer said:
ArcoCrowd ( Ugh ) -- do they still have that retired jersey up in the rafters fro the fans? Somebody want to pull it down next time they are there. Don't worry, there's nto likely to be anybody else int he arena to see you, and if they are there they certainly won't make any noise to alert anyone. Well, might boo you, but that's about it.
Might have something to do with Pedja not being there to bomb those threes and get the crowd going.
 
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I'm so glad you put in an Arco crowd grade tonight(we need one every night). I know GGGadget was in the crowd but (other than GGG I'm sure) the crowd sucked A. Seems to be a common thing lately.Good grades otherwise, Maybe Webb didn't rebound enough to get an "A" but any night He shoots 55% on 20 shots with 7 assists and 8/8 from the line I'd give him the nod. I know he has higher expectations though. Good game, we gotta step it up against Dallas though... I really hope Peja plays.
 
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Good grades overall. And yes, the crowd was very lethargic. I don't know...this is the first game that I've been to in my memory where I actually felt drowsy because of the sheer silence of the crowd. And don't get me started on the people who left with 8 minutes left. There are some very undeserving fans at Arco these days...
 

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sloter said:
Might have something to do with Pedja not being there to bomb those threes and get the crowd going.

yeah because we really sucked it up at the SF position tonight without Peja. Barnes does nothing to get the crowd excited all he does is those dumb ole rebounds and hustle like play EEELLKKK those things are just nasty. OH and yeah he went to ground a couple of times and moved without the ball. What in the blue hell was he thinking.
 
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sloter said:
Might have something to do with Pedja not being there to bomb those threes and get the crowd going.
In the past, crowds at Acro didnt need much to get excited. There were times when a defensive stop in the third quartet drew significant cheers. I guess winning spoils some.
 
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Good grades, even without the proper defense they played their game. Darius was the quiet star, Barnes definitely the more obvious one. I appreciate Darius' work under the basket, he seems fearless there. Barnes hustle was key, But Web's playmaking was just impressive, created several good plays and had a block to boot.

As a side note, Web had some great post game comments, hope we get a trasncript by our transcript arteest Reina. :D
 

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Brick i am VERY interested in your trade idea :) we do seem to see eye to eye on what we need on our team that ironicly Matt Barnes gave us tonight.
 
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How jaded have we as fans become when we can't get excited because our "3" is nothing to be excited over. It stinks because we used to be the best fans in the league... but truthfully that moniker hasn't really been accurate since probably 02 or maybe earlier. In truth though, we've become very similar to Laker fans in our enthusiasm for our team, cheer when we're up big or for exciting plays, not for big defensive series or during opponents runs.. leave early if the game gets ugly, boo if you aren't pleased with the performance instead of trying to fire the team up...
 
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I'll bet the crowd was subdued because they were apprehensive that the Kings would lose another game in the fourth quarter. People just didn't want to suffer a huge gob of disappointment. They refused to allow themselves to get too high for fear of another bone-crushing defeat and the depression associated with unexpected defeats.

Speaking of expectations. Remember when we were thrilled to eveb win a game, or excited about 41 wins in a season? I sure hope we win more than 41 games this season.


I would lower Adelman to a "C" for not playing Ostertag at all. I wanted to see what he could do in the middle. There were very few fouls tonight.
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KP said:
I know GGGadget was in the crowd but (other than GGG I'm sure) the crowd sucked
that made me laugh

could you actually hear GGG? lol

i was listening to music on my MP3 so i didn't hear the crowd...i just heard myself yelling over the music...hehehe

fair grades AS USUAL by Brick...but i don't agree with the comment that you don't know if we would have won without him...i think we would of...but it prolly would have been a lot closer of a game unfortunately...
 
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albeitrue said:
Darius was the quiet star, I appreciate Darius' work under the basket, he seems fearless there.
its always like that with Darius

i believe it was Celt :confused: ...that once said something along the lines of...

"Neptune is having a great game and everyone refuses to talk about it"

hehehe...so true so true..
 

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Team grade: B+

I was really tempted to give them an A because they did get the win, but it was against the Hawks. And WHEN is this curse of making bad players look like superstars going to stop?????

Did you hear what Grant said? Harrington, activated today for God's sake, generally shoots a blistering 16.7% from beyond the arc. That's 1.67 out of 10!!! Watching him tonight, he could possibly have won the 3-point shootout!!!!

Good grades, Brick. I was totally mesmerized at times watching Matt Barnes. Hustle like that deserves much more appreciation than the jaded ARCO crowd seemed to be giving.

I wouldn't know G3's voice but KG was there, too, and I thought I actually heard her once. Maybe she can fill me in about the booing... I heard one or two very loud-mouthed boors booing at what seemed to be random reasons.
 
#16
whoa whoa whoa

BACK THE BUS UP!

there was booing?

wtf?

why?

i don't think ive ever heard the ARCO crowd boo the players since ive been a Sacramento Kings fan...
 
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iheartBrad said:
whoa whoa whoa

BACK THE BUS UP!

there was booing?

wtf?

why?

i don't think ive ever heard the ARCO crowd boo the players since ive been a Sacramento Kings fan...
unfortunately I have, and it's usually booing Webber for some reason or another. Can't imagine they'd be booing him with his numbers tonight, but you never know. I really think the booing is ridiculous.
 
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im can't believe that....ive heard the crowd kinda groan at CWebb from time to time...but never remember any boos...that just makes me sick to my stomach...who did they think they were Knicks fans?
 

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Okay, I just talked to Kingsgurl, who was in attendance, about the crowd.

She said the crowd wasn't stone quiet and was pretty much involved, especially in the second half. She reminded me it WAS the Hawks, after all.

In addition, she didn't hear the boos I referred to, although she did hear people booing the officials a couple of times.

Kingsgurl has attended A LOT of games so I'm going to trust her judgment on this one. I've noticed a couple of times that the crowd has appeared to be silent as I've watched the game progress but on the tape it doesn't seem the same way.
 
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Though I was watching from my living room, I was paying attention to the boos (there were only a couple, as in two), and they were most definitely directed at the refs. I hate boo birds and did not see a good reason, other than the refs, for the crowd to have booed. The crowd did get "mumbly" in the 4th when the Hawks came within 4 points, but not booing. I hate booing the players, did I mention that? Always got an eye on the crowd. ;)
 

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albeitrue said:
Though I was watching from my living room, I was paying attention to the boos (there were only a couple, as in two), and they were most definitely directed at the refs. I hate boo birds and did not see a good reason, other than the refs, for the crowd to have booed. The crowd did get "mumbly" in the 4th when the Hawks came within 4 points, but not booing. I hate booing the players, did I mention that? Always got an eye on the crowd. ;)
Your opinon pretty much confirms mine, at least about the booing. I thought it was one or two and couldn't figure out who/what they were booing at. If it was just the officials, that's not as bad as it could have been although, for the most part, I think the officiating was well balanced. A couple of missed calls either way but they certainly didn't take the game away from the players.

:D
 
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I've already mentioned the crowd in the PBP thread, so I'll try not to get too redundant...

but, my biggest problem was not the crowd in general -- they weren't anywhere near as loud as I've seen them, but certainly not as silent as it seemed on TV. My problem was, specifically, the people around me. I was just lucky enough to be smack in the middle of (about a two row radius) people who enjoyed complaining. A lot.

And, I just don't get it. I get being upset with a bad call. I get being discouraged if your team isn't doing well. I get the frustration that comes with a botched play or a sloppy turnover. But, I don't get dishing out the money to go and have a lousy time.
 
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The rebounding problem: I can understand that we have problem with rebounding on men-to-man defense (lack of athleticism) but if we play 2-3 or 1-2-2 zone defense and still have problems with defensive rebounding, it tells me that laziness and motivation are two main problems…
 

Bricklayer

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starks said:
The rebounding problem: I can understand that we have problem with rebounding on men-to-man defense (lack of athleticism) but if we play 2-3 or 1-2-2 zone defense and still have problems with defensive rebounding, it tells me that laziness and motivation are two main problems…
That normally works the opposite way -- when you're in a zone your rebounding normally suffers because you aren't guarding a man and therefore aren't in good position to block people off the boards. When you're in a man defense presumably you're fairly close to your guy and between him and the hoop, so it makes blocking out much easier + more natural.
 
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Bricklayer said:
That normally works the opposite way -- when you're in a zone your rebounding normally suffers because you aren't guarding a man and therefore aren't in good position to block people off the boards. When you're in a man defense presumably you're fairly close to your guy and between him and the hoop, so it makes blocking out much easier + more natural.
hmm....I can't agree with you...I've noticed that we have rebounding problem on mismatch (man on man) defense because we switch..example (dallas game): when terry penetrate on dampier's pick, webb (or miller) is going to cover terry and biby stays on damiper....on zone it is more difficult to penetrate, to make pick and there is more shots and more long rebounds that we don't cover well enough…on zone defense you have to cover space and I think it is way easier than man-man defense....btw on 2-3 zone it is very easy to set trap for 3 seconds violation (if we have decent rotation) but we can't play that in the 4/4....obviously ref wouldn't give as any 3 second call…..traditionally



 
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GoGoGadget said:
I've already mentioned the crowd in the PBP thread, so I'll try not to get too redundant...

but, my biggest problem was not the crowd in general -- they weren't anywhere near as loud as I've seen them, but certainly not as silent as it seemed on TV. My problem was, specifically, the people around me. I was just lucky enough to be smack in the middle of (about a two row radius) people who enjoyed complaining. A lot.

And, I just don't get it. I get being upset with a bad call. I get being discouraged if your team isn't doing well. I get the frustration that comes with a botched play or a sloppy turnover. But, I don't get dishing out the money to go and have a lousy time.
I was one of the fans so go ahead and boo me. It was the friggin' Hawks and they aren't much to get excited about. The crowd brings it during big games and the Mavs game was a great example.
 
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starks said:
hmm....I can't agree with you...I've noticed that we have rebounding problem on mismatch (man on man) defense because we switch..example (dallas game): when terry penetrate on dampier's pick, webb (or miller) is going to cover terry and biby stays on damiper....on zone it is more difficult to penetrate, to make pick and there is more shots and more long rebounds that we don't cover well enough…on zone defense you have to cover space and I think it is way easier than man-man defense....btw on 2-3 zone it is very easy to set trap for 3 seconds violation (if we have decent rotation) but we can't play that in the 4/4....obviously ref wouldn't give as any 3 second call…..traditionally
I've also heard said time and time again that rebounding in a zone is much harder than in man I thought it was a pretty well known fact. Since in a zone you aren't neccesarily on any one guy so when the rebound comes off you have to go "find" a man to box out and get position for a rebound. For a team that lacks quickness or good rebounding recognition like the Kings it is much harder to rebound in a zone than in man, where you just turn around put a body on your man and hope your in the right spot.
 

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Ryle said:
I was one of the fans so go ahead and boo me. It was the friggin' Hawks and they aren't much to get excited about. The crowd brings it during big games and the Mavs game was a great example.
So correct me if I'm wrong but you judge whether or not to cheer based on who the opponent is??????

For those of us NOT lucky enough to be able to attend a lot of games, that just doesn't sound right. For those of us who have attended numerous games in the old days, when the team stunk, it just doesn't sound right. For those of us who have never attended a game, I'm sure it just doesn't sound right.

Why not show support for your team regardless of the opponent? Especially considering how much tickets, parking, beverages, snacks, etc. cost? I'm with G3 on this one. I cannot imagine going to a game and NOT rooting my heart out. It's part of the experience IMHO.

Kingsgurl and I have attended several games together and we have ALWAYS cheered. Blowouts in our favor, we cheered. Blowouts such as the pre-game Phoenix fiasco and we still cheered...and did the wave...and called Nash names, etc. Close games? Cheers. Playoff games? Oh yeah. Cheers AND ridicule for the Mavs fan silly enough to actually show up in Dirk's jersey.

I simply cannot understand why you would lay out that kind of money and then just sit there passively.

:confused:
 
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Ryle said:
I was one of the fans so go ahead and boo me. It was the friggin' Hawks and they aren't much to get excited about. The crowd brings it during big games and the Mavs game was a great example.
As someone in a different city who can not be there at the arena, that makes me sick. If its not that important to you, give up your tickets to someone who cares.
 
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Ryle said:
I was one of the fans so go ahead and boo me. It was the friggin' Hawks and they aren't much to get excited about. The crowd brings it during big games and the Mavs game was a great example.
Iv'e offered to take your tickets off your hands before...
 
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