[Grades] Grades v. Grizzlies 11/13/2014

Biggest grrf of the loss?

  • Technical foul call on Boogie, with his back turned, in what turned out to be a 1pt loss.

    Votes: 9 10.3%
  • Ben dives in for the d-board with 1sec left...then chokes BOTH FTs setting up the loss.

    Votes: 2 2.3%
  • JT fails to guard the ONLY play the Grizz can score on with 0.3 left on the clock. We lose.

    Votes: 30 34.5%
  • Defensive collapse let's Memphis (averages 94.8pts/gm) score 95 in final 3/4.

    Votes: 17 19.5%
  • Hello bench, you are pathetic.

    Votes: 12 13.8%
  • Refs review final play, say no tip. Say all happend in 0.3sec. We're outa here. Tee time at 8.00

    Votes: 17 19.5%

  • Total voters
    87
  • Poll closed .
#91
It is 12 hours later and I still feel like putting my head through a wall.

Last Friday we beat the Suns in a game we had no business winning. In the past 3 days, we have found a way to lose 2 games we had absolutely no business or excuse for losing. It's been quite a week.
 

Kingster

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#92
After I watched Thompson leaving the basket to follow Courtney Lee around the Memphis screen, I couldn't help wondering: How far would Thompson follow this guy away from the basket with 0.3 seconds left on the clock? If Lee went to the top of the key would Thompson follow him there? If Lee went to the three point line would Thompson follow him there? How about the half-court line?o_O
 
#93
I think people are overreacting on JT. Yes we know the guy is a total dunce at times, but he had played fine defense on Z bo(not the first time). Realistically he will not even be on the floor in close games most nights. Landry should close most nights, high Iq, good post defense with his bulldog frame and with Cousins in there his lack of length is semi covered. Our issue is backup C because once Cuz goes out opposing PG's waltz right in when combined with Sessions matador defense. I dont know why Hollins doesnt get a shot, unless you signed him to be honorary towel waiver. Any low level big will do, just someone that can rotate properly, contest shots and set some screens on the other end for the 12-15 minutes Cuz is off the floor, Aaron gray? At least he sniffed the floor last season and knows the guys/system well.
JT played solid D on Randolph, but Randolph is a PF JT can guard, cause he is slow and bothered by length. JT is a disaster guarding quicker players and he is missing rotations all the time and he does a poor job contesting shot's at the rim.
The backup center position is a concern, but it's mainly our starting PF-spot, that gives us basically no production at all. Please do me a favor and name a starting PF around the league, who you consider being worse than JT. I personally can't imagine more than a few.
 
#94
You know, whatever the final result of the game/protest, I do have a feeling of confidence that the guys will become stronger/galvanized/determined from this. Mostly I think I feel this way due to the strong vets we have on our team, e.g. Reggie Evans. If JT were our leading "vet", I'd be worried. But we have the Hollinses, the Collisons, the Evanses, even Casspi at this point. I think these guys appreciate and know how to focus the energy of team-wide frustration that inevitably comes from experiences like this. And, in a way, kind of have to happen, if you're going to grow as a team. That can't all fall on Malone. That kind of encouragement and leadership MUST come from the senior members of the team. So yes, it's angering, but I personally do see the silver lining, given PDA's wiley roster shifts.
 
#95
Yeah, you can. That's the logic behind the "two steps" rule when you pick up your dribble on the run and go for a lay-up. As long as you don't put your "pivot" foot back down while still in possession of the ball, you're good.
I think that works only if you jump off both feet at the same time. There is no way you can pick up your pivot foot and then stand on the other leg. That's a travel
 
#96
You know, whatever the final result of the game/protest, I do have a feeling of confidence that the guys will become stronger/galvanized/determined from this. Mostly I think I feel this way due to the strong vets we have on our team, e.g. Reggie Evans. If JT were our leading "vet", I'd be worried. But we have the Hollinses, the Collisons, the Evanses, even Casspi at this point. I think these guys appreciate and know how to focus the energy of team-wide frustration that inevitably comes from experiences like this. And, in a way, kind of have to happen, if you're going to grow as a team. That can't all fall on Malone. That kind of encouragement and leadership MUST come from the senior members of the team. So yes, it's angering, but I personally do see the silver lining, given PDA's wiley roster shifts.
I hope you are right. It will depend mainly how Cousins reacts to this loss. Can he keep his emotions in check, when he is called out of the games all the time? Can he cut down the amount of stupid fouls? Can he stay focused?
He made major steps this season, but this is a lot of pressure on his shoulders. I guess the vets will help him. We will see, if this is enough.
 
#97
I just wish we didnt have the Spurs next, I'm all for a good test, but we deserve a gimme game at home after this roadtrip. Im just hoping the Lakers dont lay down like dogs tonight and Pop rests some of the old timers tommorow.
 
#98
I think that works only if you jump off both feet at the same time. There is no way you can pick up your pivot foot and then stand on the other leg. That's a travel
If you're already pivoting, and have used your dribble, then once you pick up your pivot foot, you have to release the ball before any other foot comes down.

If you are in the act of picking up your dribble, you essentially have a full step to use to get somewhere, and then have to release the ball before putting your "non" pivot foot down = pick up dribble, plant, step, step again, then release the ball before putting that second foot down. That's essentially moving your pivot foot, but it's in the act of passing or shooting. That's what they are talking about.
 
#99
I just wish we didnt have the Spurs next, I'm all for a good test, but we deserve a gimme game at home after this roadtrip. Im just hoping the Lakers dont lay down like dogs tonight and Pop rests some of the old timers tommorow.
I actually welcome the challenge, and I think the team does too.
 
The way I understand it is as follows. You are allowed to take two steps and then have your pivot foot operate as normal. However the second you pick up your pivot foot would be considered a travel unless you are jumping to shoot a layup or jump shot. If you pick up your pivot foot and you are still on the ground I think that is considered a travel because then you have a new pivot foot and that you can't do.
 

Kingster

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I just wish we didnt have the Spurs next, I'm all for a good test, but we deserve a gimme game at home after this roadtrip. Im just hoping the Lakers dont lay down like dogs tonight and Pop rests some of the old timers tommorow.
If the Kings are up big in the first quarter, look out!
 
It was, and I saw that too, and though the exact same thing. Can't review a non-call though.

But, to clarify, it's at the moment he barely picks up and moves his right foot, which you can tell he did on accident because he got off balance (due to the defensive pressure). Clearly should have been called a travel.
 
http://www.nba.com/nba101/misunderstood_0708.html

Read the first sentence on the subject of traveling.
That first sentence only applies to starting a dribble. Not shooting or passing. It is not a travel until the pivot foot returns to the floor, so yes, by rule you could lift your pivot foot and stand on 1 leg. Looks crazy, but after officiating basketball for 10 years I have learned that just cause something looks bad doesn't mean it was against the rules.
 
That first sentence only applies to starting a dribble. Not shooting or passing. It is not a travel until the pivot foot returns to the floor, so yes, by rule you could lift your pivot foot and stand on 1 leg. Looks crazy, but after officiating basketball for 10 years I have learned that just cause something looks bad doesn't mean it was against the rules.
I read that too actually just saw it. Can't believe it. My bad to everyone.
 
They never make that call in the NBA. Honestly, that's another bad defensive play. Running and leaping at a 3 point shooter to make a block, which very nearly resulted in a foul. The proper play from the much longer player, is to stay in front with hands up. If he happens to make over the top, then it's a great shot....instead of a wide open shot and/or free throw line
 
It was, and I saw that too, and though the exact same thing. Can't review a non-call though.
This was a travel, by rule, but I'll be honest, I didn't think it was live. It's very easy to look at plays like this in slow motion and pick them apart. It was a very subtle lift, and officials will not make a call like that unless 100% sure. Part of the human element to the game. Look people, officials miss calls. If you had a conversation with one, they would tell you that much. Players miss shots, coaches make poor decisions, officials miss calls. All of it is part of the game. But as fans it is far easier for us to put the onus on officials rather than look at the game objectively. It's what makes being a fan great. We all think our teams get screwed, and guess what.....they do. It is the beauty of sports. If you ask any Laker fan, when Kobe missed the last shot against us in game 5, Kobe was fouled by Bobby. Webber illegally picked Fisher. Then we got screwed in game 6. This is 1 reason I love sports. We, as fans, are all the same. It's great.
 
They never make that call in the NBA. Honestly, that's another bad defensive play. Running and leaping at a 3 point shooter to make a block, which very nearly resulted in a foul. The proper play from the much longer player, is to stay in front with hands up. If he happens to make over the top, then it's a great shot....instead of a wide open shot and/or free throw line
You have to keep in mind, that it's Cousins closing out. The Kid is 6'11 and 260? Takes some time to stop this kind of body if you are at full speed. If he tried to stop in front of Conley it could happen, that he is carried right into him by his momentum.
 
This was a travel, by rule, but I'll be honest, I didn't think it was live. It's very easy to look at plays like this in slow motion and pick them apart. It was a very subtle lift, and officials will not make a call like that unless 100% sure. Part of the human element to the game. Look people, officials miss calls. If you had a conversation with one, they would tell you that much. Players miss shots, coaches make poor decisions, officials miss calls. All of it is part of the game. But as fans it is far easier for us to put the onus on officials rather than look at the game objectively. It's what makes being a fan great. We all think our teams get screwed, and guess what.....they do. It is the beauty of sports. If you ask any Laker fan, when Kobe missed the last shot against us in game 5, Kobe was fouled by Bobby. Webber illegally picked Fisher. Then we got screwed in game 6. This is 1 reason I love sports. We, as fans, are all the same. It's great.
Holy crap I didn't realize we had Fan Yoda up in heeaahhh.... :p
 
You have to keep in mind, that it's Cousins closing out. The Kid is 6'11 and 260? Takes some time to stop this kind of body if you are at full speed. If he tried to stop in front of Conley it could happen, that he is carried right into him by his momentum.
That's right. He needs to move towards him with enough body control and pace to stay in front, in a defensive position. The fact that he is very long is why he doesn't need to go all out at a smaller player. Running full speed and leaping at him, is not the right play there. Again it resulted in a wide open look and he nearly also brushed up against him for a foul