Grades v. Grizzlies 02/20

Kings player of the game?

  • Kevin Martin

    Votes: 27 45.8%
  • Donte Greene

    Votes: 18 30.5%
  • Beno Udrih

    Votes: 5 8.5%
  • Francisco Garcia

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Jason Thompson

    Votes: 8 13.6%

  • Total voters
    59
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Well that was fugly -- nudge me the next time you see a team shoot 38% from the field on its way to still scoring 106pts. Memphis needs to be thrown out of this league for denigrating the NBA's product. Go to the soccer system, where if you suck too badly you get dropped out of your division into a lower division while somebody takes your spot. We can send Memphis to Europe and take back Real Madrid or somebody. They aren't talented enough to be in the NBA either, but at least they might try.

Let's see, as part of my attempt to do a theme a night for the rest of this lovely season, I think tonight I'll do something draft related, since watching college ball right now is considerably more interesting than watching Memphis/Sacramento showdowns. So, since we do not get to play Memphis every night, its pretty much a sure thing we are going to end up with a Top 5 pick (if we don't, somebody needs to deliver a swift kick in the nads to each and every member of the organization, starting with the players and finishing with the GM. Several swift kicks actually. And maybe a couple of good whacks with a pick axe. Anyway, I digress...). And one of the top college players likely to go in those Top 5 picks is an oft debated 7'3" shotblocking center by the name of Hasheem Thabeet. We probably won't take him -- ain't Geoff's style. But he'll be there as an option, and one of the bottom teams in need of interior defense is sure to. So tonight's theme -- The Ten Tallest Players In NBA History

rest will come...

Cisco ( B ) -- some good, some stupid in the early gonig, able to poke away several balls in the second quarter on terrible post feeds. Could say his defense really bothered Rudy Gay too, but not sure how accurate that would be. Off of tonight's performance, Memphis really should have been willing to part wiht Gay to get Amare. Hell, they should have been willing to part with Gay to get Luke Walton. He was embarrassingly awful. Cisco was on him and being a decent pest, but never in a million years would you have guessed Gay was supposed to be a star ratehr than a scrub -- do not let the final numebrs decieve you. All padded stats -- Gay was 4-19 at one point and his team got worse whenever he hit the floor before some late and largely meaningless dunks off of scramble plays. Meanwhile Cisco was going almost the whole way in this one, and oding...ok. Other than the defensive impact, to whatever degree he had impact, and one incredibly bad inbounds pass turnover that just had you slapping your head, he was ok. Did made a series of mental mistakes in the late game, commiting a dumb foul to put the Grizz over the limit, quick shooting a long three, turning the ball over on a 24 second violation. But he came back and made up for the mental mistakes by stepping up to hit mayeb the game saving three with a minute to go after BJax threatened to get the goat horns in this one with a bad open court dribbling error against OJ Mayo that suddenly let the Grizz get wihtin three with all the momentum.
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#1 -- 7'7" Manute Bol -- and yes, that is a real picture. In Manute's rookie year the Washington Bullets (now Wizards) intentionally decided to go for a fan drawing freak show rater than a basketball team by pairing the tallest and shortest players in NBA history on the same team (7'7" Manute and 5'3" Mugsy Bogues). Manute of coure was the all time shotblocking freak of shotblocking freaks and an impossibly spider like 7'7". He is the only player in history to average more blocks per game than points. He once blocked 11 shots...in a half. He twice blocked 8 shots in a quarter. In 10 seasons, his blocks per 48 minutes was an absolutely astounding 8.45/per 48. Alas, that was absolutely and completely the only thing he could do out there as you can see what kind of freaky Dinka tribesman emaciated build he had. When he was young, before the NBA, he is rumored to have killed a lion with a spear. Hard to beleive, but then again with a 15 foot reach the poor kitty probably could never get remotely close enough to him to have a chance. His life after the NBA has been a tragic one, as his country (Sudan) has been torn by civil war, and Manute ended up on the wrong side of it, eventually losing everything and being chased from the country by the current dictatorship.

Thompson ( B+ ) -- best game in a while and off to the good start as our most effective player in the early going. Smoothly stroked jumpers, and the Grizzlies don't have any actual full sized PFs to throw in his way. Moved decently to get set up for dunks at the rim. Then started to get distracted by the foul calls again, and I think at some point here the actual best thing for him might be for the refs to actually T him up on one of these foul calls because the hopping and waving his arms and gesticulating just has got to stop -- like Brad before hiim he loses focus on the game and starts caring more about the calls than doing what he needs to do. Made a terrible inbounds pass that was picked off and led to a Grizzlies hoop that changed momentum in the third quarter when it looked like we might put the snoozing Grizzlies out of their misery with a double digit lead. Had a nice gallop to the hoop in the early 4th but missed 3 of 4 FTs at one stretch in the mid 4th as the Grizzlies made a mini move before Beno's bombs from three bailed him out.
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#2 -- 7'7" Gheorghe Muresan -- perhaps the most imposing physical specimen ever to step onto an NBA court (until you saw him move), Muresan was not just freakishly tall, he was huge. HUGE. In the mid 90s he starred in a presumably horrific attempt at "comedy" with Billy Crystal called 'My Giant" and that was about right. In the picture above you can see him rejecting some midget who made the HOF. But he was a laughably horrible "athlete", and just could not move. Completely worthless on either end in a running game because he could never make it up and down court. As a halfcourt specimen however he had actually started to emerge as a significant force by his thrid year (averaged 14pts 10rebs and 2blks in only 29min a game) before his knees gave out. He had a nearly unblockable post game, and blotted out the entire lane. One of my fondest basketball memories of that era was sneaking back into town to catch a Kings game with my brother against the Wizards with Gheorghe in the year when the Kings had their own monstrous 7'3" Lurch of a center, in Randy Breur. It was truly a battle of the titans.

Hawes ( B- ) -- this was almost a tale of two games for Spencer. there was the game he had against Pau Gasol's younger and fatter brother Marc, who was just pathetic and looked more like Pau's abuelo than his brother for the night, and there was the game he had against infamous high lottery bust Darko Milicic. Against Gasol, Spencer was pretty effective, being active on offense while Gasol was busy looking for some more doughnuts to stuff in his face, and actually finishing his inside moves for once wiht a seriosu of nice little floating flips. But against Darko it was a radically different stoy, as Milicic pretty much just kicked his butt as Spencer made him actually look like a #2 pick for a night. In fact was having so many problmes with Milicic on defense that he started to get into foul trouble trying to stop the great offensive machine, and was getting muscled out of the way on the glass as well.
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#3 -- 7'6" Yao Ming -- or maybe 7'5" -- it seems to vary, but either way, he's really really big. Yao is the best offensive player of all the supergiants in NBA history and is 22 and 10 on sheer size alone (not actually fair, as he actually has a good skillset). Here shown standing next to a member of the rodent family.

Martin ( A- ) -- An interesing game in that Kevin racked up 33 points -- well, he racked up 29pts and then got 4 freebies on the intentional foul at the end -- in mostly quiet fashion. That's actually probably a good thing as Kevin's there is sometimes the feeling that Kevin is racking up "pretty points" that are more for show than they are for winning. But tonight, he was just sort of quietly the engine in the background of an actual victory. Scored pretty well in the first quarter, mostly at the line, and did a nice job setting up Donte for a three on the drive and dish to close the first quarter. Kind of quietly continued racking up points in the second quarter and his defense was remarkable just in being unremarkable. There was only one play that stood out -- a pokeaway steal from behind up top -- but what did not stand out was Kevin being lazy or getting bured as he so often is. Was a pretty respectable defensive effort for most of the night. Did have too many turnovers as he sometimes will when he is trying to create. Had a lot of points in the third, but looked gassed by the end. And maybe he really was tired, because he largely disappeared again and scored his only two points of the 4th quarter (before the intentional fouling) on 2 FTs with 3 minutes to go. I fluttered back and forth between B+ and A- on this one, with the late fade again and again arguing for the B+, but there was just something about this one that felt less "pretty" and more substantial than Kevin's usual efforts, and I thought that should be rewarded with the higher grade. He wasn't just getting his numbers, he was kind of quietly leading here.
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#4 -- 7'6" Shawn Bradley -- here shown getting his typical treatment by CWebb. One of the most disrespected figures in recent league history, Bradley was kind of mysteriously incompetent out there. He actually moved pretty well for a big guy, had some skills, could really block a shot, and yet he scared absolutely nobody and was routinely used as a background on posters by players willing to dunk in his face. Developed a bit of a temper about it too, and could get chippy.
 
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Udrih ( B ) -- you know how many notes I had about Beno's game by halftime? Absolutely none. Nada. Zilch. There was just nothing to really say. He was...there. As average and non-descript a first half as you can have. Did have some foul trouble, but did not matter since BJax was better anyway. But after half things really picked, up, and by the end Beno had actually had himself another pretty good game in this mini-revival he's had in recent weeks. For instance, while Kevin was likely the player of the game, in the 4th quarter with the game on the line he came up with 2pts, while Beno on the other hand hit two big threes in the mid quarter to push the lead out, and then the clinching little jumper in the lane after Cisco's game saving three late. And while he tried, he really tried, to dribble into traffic and turn the ball over, the ball kept on bouncing to us (did anybody else notice that BTW -- every bounce seemed to go our way this game -- there was some deity or the other on our side methinks), and Beno managed to finish the game turnover free. On the other side of the court Mike Conley put up maybe the worst looking near triple double in history, but having watched the game, not the boxscore, I can say aside from getting outhustled for boards by the much smaller player, beno was probably better for us than Conley as for them (I might look at that differently if Conley could have hit a layup -- how can you get paid millions of dollars to play a child's game and not be able to hit a layup?).
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#5 -- 7'5" Chuck Nevitt -- here shown in picture which trumps even my Gheorghe/Breur experience. Throughott the 80's NBA benches were mysteriously populated by this ridiculous stickman named Chuck Nevitt. He never played, EVER. In 9 seasons of basketball he played a grand total of 828 minutes, or 5.3 minutes of garbagetime per game, and an average of less than 100 minutes a season (about 2 games a year). And yet year after year he would pop up as another team's 12th man, I think just so they could say they had a really tall center. Maybe he helped them prepare in practice by hacing to shoot over him or something, because no matetr how bad things got, I never saw an NBA team turn to Nevitt in a real NBA game for anything but mopup work (they used to call the garbagetime "Nevitt time" when he was around).

Jackson ( B ) -- harassed Adrian Lima's boytoy in the second quarter -- and for Adriana's sake I hope he is better at...other things...than he is at basketball. Hit a three and hustled, while Memphis looked just as awful as they are. Hit a jumper to close the half off of an iboounds play with 1.3 seconds left which the Grizzlies simply did not defend at all. I could have hit that jumper. Literally. Made a mistake at the end of the third, hopping in front of a Grizzlies player for no reason to put them at the line with 2 seconds to go in the quarter. Set himself up to be the game's goat when he got cleanly picked by Mayo in the backcourt with a minute to go, leading to a Mayo dunk and the only way the Grizz could possibly have got back into it. Clearly fouled Mayo the next time down the floor too, but it was not called. Bailed out by Cisco 's three. But other than the late game misadventures a good hustling scrapping effort. Still cannot shoot, but the effort was there, and for once it bled over to the rest of the team.
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#6 -- 7'5" Slavko Vranes -- it is hard to tell you many colorful stories about Slavko Vranes, because Slavko was in hte NBA for all of 1 game. Total. Ever. With the Blazers in '04. But he was there, and so he makes this list.

Greene ( B+ ) -- I think in many ways this was Donte's best game as a pro so far. And he's had a couple of good ones before, and never been able to remotely carry over themomentum, but this one was different, as I'll mention below. What will almost surely stoip any momentum this time is the imminent arrival fo 7 new guysm and Nocioni in partiuclar. But still, for one night Donte looked like an actualy player. Was our first "big" off the bench with only 8 guys, and played PF. Luckily the Grizzlies don't actually have any real PFs either, so no biggee. Got set up for a three to close the first quarter courtesy of Kevin and canned it. In the early second Natt tried to buy time for our hackprone young frontline by pairing Donte at PF...with Kenny Thomas as center. :eek: With that amazingly horrid excuse for a frontcourt, Donte was actually our paint defender for the most part, and got several knockaways in there. Good first half stint all around, and finally, finally used that size for something, helping on the glass and repeatedly blocking careless Grizzlies shots. Was again playing well in the third before he started to get a little full of himself and three happy, just chucking them up. Made a bad dribbling error too, unnecessarily trying to take it coast to coast and getting stripped. Came up with a big follow jam at the end of the quarter though before we went back to vets for the epic Kings/Grizzlies stretch run. So, grade time. Kid made mistakes -- the dribbling mistake was stupid, and we need to attach an electrode to his jock strap that gives him a sharp jolt everytime he chucks up a three -- just like in college he far, far too often just chucks and chucks and chucks from out there without a bit of brain power in sight But tonight he really stepped it up on the other end, and finally, I think for the first time all season used that impressive size as a SF (was playing PF much of the time tongiht, but only against the Grizzlie Hakim Warrick and Darrel Arthur who are worst softest PF pairing of tweener forwards in the league). For much of the game was our best physical presence inside, grabed some boards, and swooped around for blocks. If he could do that, not just one night, but every night, he could be a very valuable player, even if he never becomes a consistent shooter.
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#7 -- 7'4" Mark Eaton -- The Man Mountain he was called, and for good reason. Here you can see him making Otis Thorpe look like a twerp, and again towering over that same midget HOFer over to the right. Maybe the greatest defender of all the megagiants, Eaton was a huge shotblocker and rebounder who just ate the paint for the Utah Jazz throughout the early Stockton/Malone years (Ostertag was his smaller, less effective, replacement). Not just 7'4", but 7'4" and a listed 290 lbs, and with an intimidating mountain man beard to boot, Eaton was famous for being the one center who could block the legendarily "unblockable" Kareem sky hook (do not think he would have been able to get to it in Kareem's youth, but still).
 
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Thomas ( INC ) -- came in and immediately got dunked on by Darrel Arthur in the early second as Donte was actually playing more of a paint stopper while Kenny was technically our "center". Just like back in college. And hey, the competition was about college level too, so it all worked. Did very little out there in his second quarter stint except buy us some minutes for the young bigs not to hack themselves out of the game, but it was Donte who was carrying us inside (and the Grizzlies, who might already be tanking from the way they played this one). Did not return that I know of, and that whole "only have 8 guys" thing was largely irrelevant, as we really only played 7 anyway.
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#8 -- 7'4" Rik Smits -- A rarity amongst the megaplayers, all of Smits' effectiveness was on the offensive end where he had great touch and a variety of unblockable jumpers and post moves. He was huge, and even defensive stalwarts like Patrick Ewing struggled to keep him from his spots and challenge his shots. On the other end though a series of broken feet like those that plague many of the giants robbed Smits of any lateral mobility that he may once have had, and he never reacted well to the ball as either a shotblocker or rebounder. So you had the irony of a 7'4" giant who could neither rebound nor protect the paint. But he was a very effective designated offensive weapon inside throughout the 90s.

Rudy Gay ( A ) -- well as this was a top 10 list, and we only dressed 8, I need a couple of more grades. And so I figure why not give them to a couple of the Grizz, since they ahd at least as much to do wiht this victory as anything we did. Rudy Gay in particular was jsut catastrophcally awaful for his team. Embarrassing, and did more for our cause than any king, including Kevin. And I like Rudy Gay as a player. But tonight was just an embarrassment, and he could not decide whether he was going to pout or just not care. Do not know if he was out partying the night before or what, but he thoroughly earned this grade for us.
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#9 -- 7'4" Ralph Sampson -- I have occasionally mentioned Thabeet as the most atheltic 7'3" player I have seen -- well, I had forgotten this guy. After watching him as a shell during his Sacramento days with the knees of an 80 yr old, it is easy to forget what a freak he was as a 7'4" stringbean in his youth. Look at that picture and you can see what I mean. 7'4", but only 235, he was the ultimate in lean and long. He was also weak and soft, both mentally and physically, and when his knees went, well that was that.

Marc Gasol ( A- ) -- like Rudy Gay, a good young player for the Grizzlies who was nice enough to suit up for us tongiht since we were shorthanded. And like Gay, padded his stats some late to make the boxscore lookr respectable while the game was not. Out on the court appeared to be in some sort of coma, whether from a late night of partying, or possibly just coming down off a junk food sugar high as the squishy area under his shirt combined with his actual game gave him a decidely fat and sloppy appearance all night long.
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#10 -- 7'4" Priest Lauderdale -- I still remember when I first saw the eye openign stats of this guy when he entered the draft back in '96. 7'4" 325lbs! Yikes! Unfortunately he was slow as molasses and out of the league in two years, but he was a load to say the least.
 
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Interesting game. Lots of hustle but lots of 3rd grade passes too including several inbounds that went right to Griz. Greene showed some defense as well at hitting 3's. all the starters held their own tho' Hawes again with those darn reach-in fouls. Stats were wacky for sure but a win is a win. Especially like the way the Kings held their own early 3rd and the last 3 minutes. Real progress there.
 
I know Kmart was great but i'm going to give my mvp to Greene, he played great on both sides of the ball.
 
Players of the game - well we only had 8 total in uni:

1) Kevin, consistent big scoring night, 15-15 from the line, showed by example and with vocal leadership, good D overall

2) Francisco Garcia, checked Rudy Gay real-real nice, ran the offense when required to do so, hustled all night for rebounds, deflections, blocks, etc

3) Beno Udrih, solid at the point, under control, penetrated, dished, no turnover problem, hit the mid-range and some deep balls as well

4) JT - very nice game overall for the rook

5) Donte - excellent hustle, nice bombs away, versatile at PF/SF
 
Where's KT on that list? Just messing, KMart is the player of the game. He takes over a game and you don't even know it. He will probably average around 28 ppg the rest of the season. JT had a great game besides some stupid mistakes(inbound passes). I think Cisco can be a great sixth man for our team in the coming years. He is good on defense and is a good 3 point shooter.
 
For the second night in a row, the game is actually fun to watch without the Black-Hole Fish clogging our lineup.
 
I voted Donte, gotta show him some love for what he did tonight.. He created more problems then his stats show I believe! I like this core, the way they played the game tonight (even though it was sloppy) was that of a pretty tight knit core... They looked like they had some fun also... Let them keep growing together!
 
Is anyone else excited about the fact that Spence and JT are going through these growth pains together? Not only are they going to be very good by themselves in the future, but they are also learning to grow and play together. They are going to be a great duo for years to come.
 
I saw some good things from Kevin these past 2 games - driving to the rim very aggresively and not searching for a foul actually and driving and dishing out to his teammates so that's a great thing Kevin! Two straight player of the game honours! :P
 
Banding Together

Grant said it ad nauseam last night, but I have to agree with him: it was great to see the team pull together so well under adverse circumstances.

Granted, it was only the Grizzlies, but the Kings don't have any gimmes in this league at the moment. Nice work for a depleted group that would have had a great excuse to mail it in last night.
 
I'm the one person who voted for Cisco for play of the game. His defence list night was beaufiful. Not only did he defend Gay and Mayo very well for long stretches, but he closed out well in help defence too. The Grizzlies missed a lot of 3s, largely because Garcia ran out and contested every single shot. Martin meanwhile gave half effort run outs on 3 threes (all makes) that he never really contested and then started running down court trying to get easy points instead of contesting the shooter.

Overall, according to my statistics, Garcia blocked or altered 4 shots, heavily contested 12, lightly contested 3 more and forced 2 turnovers. He was a huge force for us last night. Contrast this with Kevin who did not alter or heavily contest a single shot, but who lightly contested 4.
 
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