You're embarrassing yourself.
[Grades] Grades v. Bobhornets 1/4/2014
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You're embarrassing yourself.
TheBadGuy
Bench
Atleast those guys plays D, unlike IT
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
well the highlights from today aren't up yet. but he was guarding Kemba the entire time he lit us up 3 weeks ago
BS. Its the other guys fault for not defending two guys while IT delivered pizzas.
In all seriousness, IT defenders should watch those highlights to better understand why IT's defense gets criticized.
Jesus. Don't be so melodramatic would ya? It happens all the time. I wouldn't doubt if IT and CP3 have worked out together in the off-season and are off-court friends.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Watch the game. It started with Cousins getting beat on like a drum. It ended with him getting beat on like a drum. All you have to do is watch it. The finger pointing at IT for the poor defense in the game is ridiculous. It's just laziness. Don't be lazy. Watch the game. And re-watch if necessary.
Now maybe one can say that Jefferson should have been doubled in this game, that sometimes the matchups just aren't going to work for a player, and Cousins being a player, and Jefferson being his nemesis an adjustment should have been made. Or maybe there were players that should have doubled up who didn't. But that's not on IT.
Now maybe one can say that Jefferson should have been doubled in this game, that sometimes the matchups just aren't going to work for a player, and Cousins being a player, and Jefferson being his nemesis an adjustment should have been made. Or maybe there were players that should have doubled up who didn't. But that's not on IT.
Oh. More misrepresentation and complete exaggeration of what I say here.
Gee, never seen that before from you or a variety of other posters eh Sdballer?
Has anyone on here said Cousins did a good job on d tonight? Again, so how did Kemba score 30 points with 6 assist on 12/19 shooting?
TheBadGuy
Bench
Hey IT is always torched by players he's supposed to defend.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
So while Cousins was getting "beat on like a drum" on defense, he still managed to give up less points to his man, than IT gave up to the man he was guarding, how does that work?
Look! More exaggeration bullcrap!
Keep it coming sir. Let's see what else we can "stir up" shall we?
I think some games back IT was really pissed at Outlaw for missing and taking a bad shot... Outlaw shrugged his shoulders and looked like he said "idk" while IT was going off.
Really? It's an exaggeration to say you spend a lot of your time on here praising/defending IT?
I don't really care. It just gets so no one can post any criticisms of IT without you or Kingster jumping in to defend him which then derails the thread into "Everybody leave IT alone". We get it that you see positives in his game and I think its great that different perspectives get shared on here. But is it necessary to spend so much time reacting to people that view IT differently? Probably goes both ways so I will be more conscious on my end.
How about it is EQUALLY unacceptable for Jefferson to score 27 and Kemba to drop 30? How about Cousins, and JT, and Acy should all shoulder responsibility for letting Jefferson own us? Just like IT and Jimmer should shoulder responsibility for letting Kemba own us?
Defense doesn't start and end with changing one guy. We could resurrect the prime Gary Payton and the defense won't change until we develop some trust and communication on the defensive end. Does that future include IT and our current crop of guards? I have no idea. We need a defensive leader. Someone who's not only a great individual defender, but someone the other guys can model themselves after. I thought Mbah could have taken that role for us.
What I do know is that Cousins is going to have much more leeway with the franchise for his defensive faults than the perimeter guys. So at the end of the day, if the perimeter guys want to have a future on the team, they're going to have to pick it up or get out.
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
Yes, I remember that. He was looking at Travis with a look of "are you serious", with a rye smile.
I think he's been watching too much of Chris Paul's antics
I agree with The Jamal. Cue the endtimes in 3...2...1...
Kingster
Hall of Famer
If it's simply the pg of opposing teams that's causing the problem, and IT is the culprit, why not just trade him for Tony Douglas? I think there's a fair chance GS might do that deal. Douglas is an upper tier defender. That should solve all the problems of this inept defensive team. Right? Problem solved. He's a defender. Then we can watch while Douglas stops CP3, Parker, et al. Or put in the rook for several games. He's supposed to be able to defend; have IT sit on the bench while the rook stops Lillard in this next game. Heck, who needs shot blockers when you have guys out there that can prevent guys from even driving to the basket? Wow, if IT is really the problem, the problem is so easily solved. Why isn't Malone and management smart enough to figure that out? Right?
Uncia03
Starter
Relax we only have to endure 11 or 12 more games of this stuff.
At that time DWill can be traded and if things in the locker room are as strained as it sounds and if IT is truly the one in the middle of all of it, then expect DWill to be part of a package alongside IT.
Until that time IT will get plenty of minutes and continue to put up great offensive numbers, but if he is the problem in the locker room, then he probably won't last much longer than the time that DWill can be used as salary for a trade.
So keep an eye out for January 26th, and when we get to that point...sit back and wait, because we'll see some movement at that time.
At that time DWill can be traded and if things in the locker room are as strained as it sounds and if IT is truly the one in the middle of all of it, then expect DWill to be part of a package alongside IT.
Until that time IT will get plenty of minutes and continue to put up great offensive numbers, but if he is the problem in the locker room, then he probably won't last much longer than the time that DWill can be used as salary for a trade.
So keep an eye out for January 26th, and when we get to that point...sit back and wait, because we'll see some movement at that time.
Indeed. Gotta fill that quota somehow
FYI, I don't spend all my time "defending/praising IT." In fact, I just had a lovely discussion the other day in another thread about the value of sample size, TS%, and the significance of Rudy Gay's efficiency increases with us and if he can sustain the performance. The simple fact of the matter is almost all discussion on the forum leads back to IT. Not by my doing, I might add. Because my opinion of him differs than most, of course my posts will stick out like a sore thumb.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Ah really. That all was not obvious from the television feed. I only caught something that sounded suspiciously like "get the **** back on the line" or something from Gay to Cousins, without further context, and I was all uh oh. Not that the further context makes me any less uh oh.
Carl Landry
Chubbs
Starter
Nah, he's talking about someone else.
. Probably Ray.It almost looks like there's the rest of the team, and then the PG from a team chemistry standpoint. PGs need to keep everyone happy. No one is happy right now. He blames the lack of help D, and the help D is pointing the finger right back at him. The coach, the players, everyone. Not a lot of personal responsibility from anyone. It's exactly what Malone said after last game.
Cuz could not stop Al Jefferson late. There's no doubt about that. But it wasn't a bunch of uncontested shots. He was trying. Al Jefferson is pretty good. But the problems are so much bigger than who scored what against who. And the real problem is like us fans here playing the blame game, the team is doing the same.
My take on the feuding....and I'm not sure of the timelines of both events but they both stood out to me....
When IT had the breakaway steal with JT on his right, and IT took it all the way while JT is wanting the ball, and should have gotten it. IT gets his shot blocked but JT gave up on the play, literally was heading back when the shot was blocked. I think that right there may have started the griping.
IT blowing up Acy and maybe Derrick Williams on that one play. I think those 2 events may have been linked. I'm also not so sure that Acy did anything wrong there, but maybe he miscommunicated with IT as it wasn't quite a pick and roll .....anyways, I can see others being pissed at IT...one for his ball chucking ways and two, for his defense and then three for calling out others when he's the worst defender on the court.
It's one thing for Al Jefferson to get 27.... he is a legitimate low post scorer, one of the best in the post, doesn't give Cuz an excuse but it happened. Walker going for 30 is another example of a backcourt player going off for a huge game.
Maybe Cuzand IT are both trying to be the alpha male on the team.
It's tough to watch. I can see PDA trying real hard to get Miller and pieces and shipping off IT if it means getting rid of the MT contract or something like that. Let Miller mentor Ray.
When IT had the breakaway steal with JT on his right, and IT took it all the way while JT is wanting the ball, and should have gotten it. IT gets his shot blocked but JT gave up on the play, literally was heading back when the shot was blocked. I think that right there may have started the griping.
IT blowing up Acy and maybe Derrick Williams on that one play. I think those 2 events may have been linked. I'm also not so sure that Acy did anything wrong there, but maybe he miscommunicated with IT as it wasn't quite a pick and roll .....anyways, I can see others being pissed at IT...one for his ball chucking ways and two, for his defense and then three for calling out others when he's the worst defender on the court.
It's one thing for Al Jefferson to get 27.... he is a legitimate low post scorer, one of the best in the post, doesn't give Cuz an excuse but it happened. Walker going for 30 is another example of a backcourt player going off for a huge game.
Maybe Cuzand IT are both trying to be the alpha male on the team.
It's tough to watch. I can see PDA trying real hard to get Miller and pieces and shipping off IT if it means getting rid of the MT contract or something like that. Let Miller mentor Ray.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Nah, he's talking about someone else.
It almost looks like there's the rest of the team, and then the PG from a team chemistry standpoint. PGs need to keep everyone happy. No one is happy right now. He blames the lack of help D, and the help D is pointing the finger right back at him. The coach, the players, everyone. Not a lot of personal responsibility from anyone. It's exactly what Malone said after last game.
Cuz could not stop Al Jefferson late. There's no doubt about that. But it wasn't a bunch of uncontested shots. He was trying. Al Jefferson is pretty good. But the problems are so much bigger than who scored what against who. And the real problem is like us fans here playing the blame game, the team is doing the same.
Ray Mac's defense is so bad that it made IT's defense even worse.
kupman
Starter
The bad news:
The team D is non-existent. There is virtually no help d-defense and rotations are extremely poor. The guards let their man beat them too often, but worse than that, when they do get beat no other player will step over and stop the ball. All of our bigs just stand and watch as a guard may take 3 or 4 additional dribbles after beating our guard before completing an easy shot. Our bigs do not even take a step over when their man picks one of our guards. I have honestly seen better man-to man team defense on junior high teams.
The good news:
A team can be a decent team defensively even if they do not have great individual defenders if the team plays together defensively. If the Kings improve in this area I think that we start winning more games by holding teams to around 100/game. We have a good team core offensively imo. If we start winning a few games by improving team defense the team in-fighting will settle down.
This team is trying figure themselves out. It is the reason why we can look good in Texas last week and look like the poorest team in the league this week.
The team D is non-existent. There is virtually no help d-defense and rotations are extremely poor. The guards let their man beat them too often, but worse than that, when they do get beat no other player will step over and stop the ball. All of our bigs just stand and watch as a guard may take 3 or 4 additional dribbles after beating our guard before completing an easy shot. Our bigs do not even take a step over when their man picks one of our guards. I have honestly seen better man-to man team defense on junior high teams.
The good news:
A team can be a decent team defensively even if they do not have great individual defenders if the team plays together defensively. If the Kings improve in this area I think that we start winning more games by holding teams to around 100/game. We have a good team core offensively imo. If we start winning a few games by improving team defense the team in-fighting will settle down.
This team is trying figure themselves out. It is the reason why we can look good in Texas last week and look like the poorest team in the league this week.
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