Big Cuz 15
All-Star
going off for a double double as a small forward.. wth.
was he not utilized properly in sac? this guy keeps getting better n better
was he not utilized properly in sac? this guy keeps getting better n better
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4cwebb
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He's a SF that was stuck behind Peja all those years. I don't know if he was used improperly, or just couldn't prove to the coaching staff that he deserved an opportunity. He and KMart would make quite a young tandem. I know he had a big offensive game, but I think he is more suited to 3rd offensive option on offense (although I haven't watched him play as much this year as I would've liked).
At the time the Kings were looking at a championship, not at developing talent. Wallace was a 19 yr. old freshman when drafted. Looking at the team, you can logically see why he didn't get any time. He was not at that level at the time, and was often lost.
It's good to see him grow.
It's good to see him grow.
bigbadred00
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He could have been gotten last offseason, I think he's a FA again. For some reason, although he's very good, he isn't in that great of a demand.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
if Gerald could be had at the MLE similar contract to John Salmons.. would you take him?
Gerald Wallace was bi-polar when he was with the Kings. Great games, terrible games. Even great first quarter, terrible second quarter. Too inconsistent to garner a regular spot in the rotation on a team contending for a championship. Especially when he's playing behind Peja, who was a top 10 scorer in the League during Wallace's last season with the Kings.
On our team this year, and even last year, he'd be a great addition. I'd love to see him playing beside Kevin Martin, maybe even as a starter. But we had to leave him unprotected in the supplemental draft, and Bernie Bickerstaff snatched him up. Those are the breaks. And it sucks, because none of the players we did protect are still here, with the exception of Mike Bibby. And I'm pretty sure we'd all trade Mike Bibby for Gerald Wallace straight up.
On our team this year, and even last year, he'd be a great addition. I'd love to see him playing beside Kevin Martin, maybe even as a starter. But we had to leave him unprotected in the supplemental draft, and Bernie Bickerstaff snatched him up. Those are the breaks. And it sucks, because none of the players we did protect are still here, with the exception of Mike Bibby. And I'm pretty sure we'd all trade Mike Bibby for Gerald Wallace straight up.
bigbadred00
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It was a mistake but he never would have developed like he has now if he'd been sitting on the bench. He got a chance with minutes and he's shined.
Honestly, with his upside he shouldn't have been left unprotected but honestly the Kings were looking to win right now not 5 years from when the draft took place.
This is only half true: we "had" to leave him unprotected because Petrie pulled a Dorian and neglected to sign Peeler to a multi-year deal, which means that we couldn't declare him.
Besides, we could have left Songaila eligible.
sloter
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Or Webber. It would have been better for the Kings than what he did with him afterwards.
You should consider a short-term replacement of your Allen James Coage avatar with one of Dr. Christopher Duncan Turkleton, purely for obscure reference purposes.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
we didn't have the minutes for him. too bad the nbdl wasn't in place back then. we could have had him with actual game time experience.
I'm going to go back to Wan Shi Ton, as soon as I can be arsed to dig my avatar out of my old computer.You should consider a short-term replacement of your Allen James Coage avatar with one of Dr. Christopher Duncan Turkleton, purely for obscure reference purposes.
I thought you liked that trade?
But he didn't sign Peeler to a multi-year deal. And even if he had, Gerald wasn't the consistent scorer that Peeler was off the bench that year. Not that I would have rather had Peeler, but he was much more effective in that 7th/8th man role than Gerald was. Gerald always played better in the starting lineup, and there was no room for him in the starting lineup when Peja was here.
We could have left Songaila eligible. And we should have. Looking back, I'm shocked we didn't. Are you sure Songaila was one of the eight protected players?
Hindsight is 20/20.
He had actual game time experience. Played just fine as a starter. It was that 12-15 minute/game role that he struggled with. Never was able to find a flow, would get pulled in the first half and never get a chance in the second half. Just too inconsistent off the bench to be an integral part of the 7/8 man rotation back then. We were contending, and there wasn't time for Gerald Wallace to figure out how to contribute off the bench.
I remember a game that season against the Mavs a few weeks before Webber came back, because it was the worst game of the year for us. We jumped out to a big lead early, and wound up losing. Peja was suspended bumping a ref (bull**** suspension, btw), so Gerald got the start. He was scoring, defending, rebounding, hustling... doing all the things he does for Charlotte right now, except for us, in a prime-time game, against the Mavericks.
Then he came down with some mysterious leg injury that hampered him in the second half, and wound up getting pulled in the second half. Never started another game for us, I don't think, and never really turned in another "star" performance, either. Wound up in Adelman's doghouse from that point on, and Peeler wound up getting all those minutes.
That was the story with Gerald. Always had a ton of potential, but he was an enigma for the most part, iirc. Never really gained Rick Adelman's trust, and never won a spot in the regular rotation.
Which is still all speculation. There are many people that don't want to give Wallace the benefit of the doubt, but I've never been one of them; I still think that the story of Wallace making up an injury is just a bad rumor.
My point is that he never won a spot in the regular rotation; Adelman continually played guys like Peeler ahead of him. He didn't have the type of offensive game that Adelman is comfortable with, which means he didn't have a consistent jump shot from mid to long range.
That's really the reason he's not here anymore. He wasn't a Rick Adelman type of player, which led to us keeping a player like Darius Songaila over him. Which, when you look back on it, is a ridiculous decision to make.
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AriesMar27
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dude i wish we still had darius... he was a weak rebounder but he'd be a hell of a lot better than reef or thomas coming off the bench...
peeler messed up that whole situation.... they should have left doug, webber or divac unprotected...
wallace would be a nice pick up if that were possible....
peeler messed up that whole situation.... they should have left doug, webber or divac unprotected...
wallace would be a nice pick up if that were possible....
sloter
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Well, I definitely overestimated the talent that we got in that trade, but with the idea of that trade was to obtain the pieces which we could move easier and get the new pieces we needed/wanted. That's exactly the thing we would have been able to do with the cap room if Bobcats picked-up Webber.
Of course, it would have been a very awkward situation if they didn't pick him up.
There was no way on earth they would have picked him up; they said from jump street that they weren't going to take on salary... said "very awkward situation" would have been a certainty. To say nothing of the fact that it would have set a precedent of the very worst kind.
The Hammer
All-Star
I am in no way surprised to see what Wallace is doing now, and I could never figure out why we couldn't figure out a way to keep him. Perhaps if our organization was more unified and organized we would have used foresight. But Rick was not looking at the whole picture because his interest was in winning a title only. This is my take. Many of the fans knew that Wallace would turn into what he is today, it was kind of obvious. The inconsistency explanation is bullhonkey because almost all young players go through that. Rick must have known that, he just didn't want to spend the minutes to let him work through that. Yeah he was like 19 and from a tiny town and adjusting to the NBA, he was still developing as a person as well, that was clear. Anyway, I'm happy for him now, and root for him, as I always have, and once did very vocally from the stands during garbage time. I think I even once started and arena-wide "Wal-lace, Wal-lace" chant. Wait, none of you care about that. My prediction is that Wallace will be an all star and an integral part of a competitive Charlotte team in 2-4 years. Jordan's no dummy.
Wallace can jump a mile high. He's improved his jump shot, can get to the rim like lightning, can rebound, has heart and humbleness, plays tenacious D, etc... Part of a real neat young team out in Charlotte. And now that the Kings are seemingly in the permanent stinker, hey, maybe that's our new team. Who's with me?
Wallace can jump a mile high. He's improved his jump shot, can get to the rim like lightning, can rebound, has heart and humbleness, plays tenacious D, etc... Part of a real neat young team out in Charlotte. And now that the Kings are seemingly in the permanent stinker, hey, maybe that's our new team. Who's with me?
No time to do that when you're trying to win a championship.
"And with the 1st pick in the 2001 NBA Draft, the Washington Wizards select Kwame Brown."
Not saying that Jordan's a dummy, but he hasn't proved himself very skilled at building a winning team.
The Hammer
All-Star
About the first, yeah, you're probbly right. But I just could never figure out why we couldn't select a few young ones (maybe one or two) to keep and develop as we went along. We're allowed to carry 15 for a reason.
And the second, sure he made that mistake, but I'd like to see how this Charlotte team works out.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
boozer and arenas was still available yeah?
The supplemental draft following the 2003-04 season only allowed each team to protect 8 players currently under contract. We didn't protect Gerald; it was between him and Darius Songaila, and we made the wrong choice.
And other than Gerald, I don't think we ever really had any promising young players that we should have kept. Maybe Hedo, but we traded him and got Brad Miller, which was a great move at the time.
So do I. And I think that they may do some good things in the next couple of years, as long as Jordan doesn't trade away his young players for veterans, like he did in Washington.
However, the fact that Gerald Wallace is a Charlotte Bobcat has nothing to do with Jordan. He wasn't with the team when they drafted him from us, and he's only been with them since right before the Draft. He really hasn't done anything yet.