Gerald Wallace headed to the Warriors???

[BRad1055]

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/


The Warriors and Bobcats are working on a deal that would send Mike Dunleavy and Mickael Pietrus to Charlotte in exchange for Gerald Wallace and Melvin Ely. The Bobcats would then also ink Bonzi Wells to a deal. One problem holding up the transaction is that the Phoenix Suns are making a late push for Melvin Ely.

 

[TheJoker]

The dog days of the off-season... when is the season startin?

 

[BMiller52]

That is a god awful trade for Charlotte.

 

[KingsFan93]

Another example of a trade (Melvin Ely) we should pursue...

 

[Bricklayer]

While that would unfortunately deprive Don Nelson of his Dunleavy PF experiment, watching Nellie unleash the hounds as Gerald and JRich fly up and down the court in a nightly dunkfest could be a lot of fun. Unless you are playing them of course.

 

[AriesMar27]

man the warriors would be the cheapmans phoenix suns... without the 3pt shooting.....

 

[HndsmCelt]

man the warriors would be the cheapmans phoenix suns... without the 3pt shooting.....

or the best PG in the NBA

 

[nbrans]

Wow, the Bobcats could trade their best player for two terrible small forwards! Awesome!

And if the market value for Gerald Wallace is Mike Scrubleavy and Pietrus, I sincerely hope the Kings have made an offer.

 

[Bricklayer]

or the best PG in the NBA

Although given Nellie and an uptempo system, there is at least a chance there for Baron to channel his inner Timmy Hardaway.

 

[AriesMar27]

Wow, the Bobcats could trade their best player for two terrible small forwards! Awesome!

And if the market value for Gerald Wallace is Mike Scrubleavy and Pietrus, I sincerely hope the Kings have made an offer.

where would his minutes com from? if we didnt have salmons or garcia i could understand where you are coming from but we are pretty stacked at that position... if we could trade vitaly and garcia for wallace then sure...

 

[BJax24]

That is a god awful trade for Charlotte.

oh man what would possess them to do that?!?!?!

 

[Bricklayer]

where would his minutes com from? if we didnt have salmons or garcia i could understand where you are coming from but we are pretty stacked at that position... if we could trade vitaly and garcia for wallace then sure...

Gerald Wallace >> Cisco or Salmons.

The question would be where would THEIR minutes come from, and the answer would be I could care less. In any case if (and I note here that I think there is bad blood now and Gerald will not be coming back) but IF it were to happen I would imagine one or the other or both of Cisco/Salmons would be involved in the trade anyway.

 

[Sac.Kings]

This trade sucks for the Cats.

 

[VF21]

This "trade" isn't a done deal. As a matter of fact, it hasn't even been mentioned anywhere else as far as I was able to find.

I think it's more along the lines of some of our off-season trade ideas than anything else.

 

[AriesMar27]

Gerald Wallace >> Cisco or Salmons.

The question would be where would THEIR minutes come from, and the answer would be I could care less. In any case if (and I note here that I think there is bad blood now and Gerald will not be coming back) but IF it were to happen I would imagine one or the other or both of Cisco/Salmons would be involved in the trade anyway.

hehe... too true.... wallace is much better than garcia and salmons... he actually put up better numbers than bonzi... wonder if the bobcats would trade wallace and filler for salmons and vitaly? if douby is as good as advertised then why not? martin and garcia can come off the bench for one more season and wallace will be a free agent... wallace and artest would be as nice if not nicer than bonzi and artest...

though i actually do like salmons.... how about garcia, hart and vitaly for wallace and a 2nd rounder?

damn you peeler....

 

[BRad1055]

Dunleavy and Pietrus are good players and much better than Wallace IMO. Wallace is a high flyer and can block shots and is athletic granted but that is it. Dunleavy just needs a chance and I think u put Raymond Felton,Bonzi Wells,Mike Dunleavy,Emeka Okafor, and Primo Brevic that is a better a good starting lineup.

 

[Bricklayer]

Dunleavy and Pietrus are good players and much better than Wallace IMO. Wallace is a high flyer and can block shots and is athletic granted but that is it. Dunleavy just needs a chance and I think u put Raymond Felton,Bonzi Wells,Mike Dunleavy,Emeka Okafor, and Primo Brevic that is a better a good starting lineup.

Oh, obviously.

Gerald Wallace:
34.5min 15.2pts (.538 .280 .614) 7.5reb 1.7ast 2.5stl 2.1blk 1.8TO

Mike Dunleavy:
31.8min 11.5pts (.406 .285 .778) 4.9reb 2.9ast 0.7stl 0.4blk 1.5TO


But hey, if I ever need a technical FT shot, Dunleavy is my choice.

 

[AriesMar27]

Dunleavy and Pietrus are good players and much better than Wallace IMO. Wallace is a high flyer and can block shots and is athletic granted but that is it. Dunleavy just needs a chance and I think u put Raymond Felton,Bonzi Wells,Mike Dunleavy,Emeka Okafor, and Primo Brevic that is a better a good starting lineup.

wow.... just wow...

wallace averaged 15 pts, 7reb, 2stl and 2blks a game.... thats light years ahead of dunleavy....

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Gerald Wallace >> Cisco or Salmons.

Gerald Wallace >> Garcia AND Salmons. That's right, I said it.

And I'm going to ignore BRad1055's post, on the grounds that making an effort to respond to that as if it were a serious post would cause me to burst a blood vessel.

 

[BRad1055]

I was kidding BTW sorry I forgot to put the LOL. Anyway I do think though in all seriousness down the road Dunleavy will end up being the better players than Wallace.

 

[Larry89]

I was kidding BTW sorry I forgot to put the LOL. Anyway I do think though in all seriousness down the road Dunleavy will end up being the better players than Wallace.

suuuuuuuuuurrrreeee

 

[acisking]

I was kidding BTW sorry I forgot to put the LOL. Anyway I do think though in all seriousness down the road Dunleavy will end up being the better players than Wallace.

sure didn't sound like it by your original post....but for your sake I hope u were because there's really no way to compare Dunleavy with Gerald Wallace, who last season was a legitimate contender for defensive player of the year honors

 

[twocents]

no disrespect to citrus as i know he is pretty high on wallace, i am never impressed by players without a decent jump shot. as much as i liked wallace when he was with the kings (and of course i think that adelman has mishandled him), i think that he has hit his ceiling the last year. he was playing for a sucky team playing his heart out. i have serious doubts for what he can do when/if he plays for a contending team. his best case scenario would be kirilenko (another great team player without a jumpshot), but unfortunately he lacks the fundamentals.

as for dunleavy, i think he was overhyped due to being a dukie and his senior. and he has completely crumpled under the media hype and the big, fat contract. he might get to a level where he becomes a key piece to a winning team but i have a hard time seeing him being the anchor of one.

pietrus, do not underestimate him. he is still trying to find his niche. he tried athleticism; was not much of a success. he tried outside shooting; not stellar either. i think what he needs to do is: first, become tougher mentally (i don't know why but i see an aloofness in him); second, increase the slashing ability (he does not seem to be good at that) and learn to mix your inside/outside game.

as for the trade proposal, i don't know anything about that melvin ely guy, so cannot comment.

 

[twocents]

Oh, obviously.

Gerald Wallace:
34.5min 15.2pts (.538 .280 .614) 7.5reb 1.7ast 2.5stl 2.1blk 1.8TO

Mike Dunleavy:
31.8min 11.5pts (.406 .285 .778) 4.9reb 2.9ast 0.7stl 0.4blk 1.5TO


But hey, if I ever need a technical FT shot, Dunleavy is my choice.

i don't know what has changed, but since the last year or so, you have based your player comparison arguments almost exclusively on stats. you, who do a great job at dissecting a kings game each and every time during the season, of all people should know better. for instance, looking at the stats, would you be claiming that wallace, at a .538 clip, is a much better shooter than dunleavy at .406? or that, dunleavy and wallace are equally likely to hit their 3 point shots? are those numbers steady state numbers as in both have reached their respective career numbers or are we seeing the stats of young players who are in a transition phase? i personally find these stats without any deeper analysis useless.

 

[Bricklayer]

i don't know what has changed, but since the last year or so, you have based your player comparison arguments almost exclusively on stats. you, who do a great job at dissecting a kings game each and every time during the season, of all people should know better. for instance, looking at the stats, would you be claiming that wallace, at a .538 clip, is a much better shooter than dunleavy at .406? or that, dunleavy and wallace are equally likely to hit their 3 point shots? are those numbers steady state numbers as in both have reached their respective career numbers or are we seeing the stats of young players who are in a transition phase? i personally find these stats without any deeper analysis useless.

No, you have just become fascinated with jump shooting -- the one skill that every 5'6" chubby kid and middle aged balding couch potato in his backyard can become proficient at, and accordingly maybe the single least accurate indicator of high level success there is. This isn't H.O.R.S.E. And sometimes the stats speak for themselves -- the only stat in all those comparisons even remotely deceptive is the 3pt shooting stat, and that only because Dunleavy collapsed mentally as well last year and threw into doubt which one of the two players even has the mental edge.

Meanwhile Gerald has begun to reach his potential, and its rather impressive. Who the hell cares who is the better shooter? Gerald is the far more EFFECTIVE "shooter". And far more critically, is superior in virtually every other aspect of the game (and there are many) and impacts games even when he's not touching the ball. Gerald's relative lack of saavy/control of the game may leave him behind Kirlienko (for the moment at least), but its competely irrelevant when comparing him to a soft one dimensional milksop like Dunleavy.

And Pietrus = who knows. He's talked up a lot but hasn't gotten any better. Nellie may be his last chance to be anything other than a career 7th-8th backup swingman.

 

[zo0mmike]

Gerald Wallace is a beast, how often do you come across players who average over 2 steals AND 2 blocks? GW and Artest together would be quite a defensive wing combo.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

no disrespect to citrus as i know he is pretty high on wallace, i am never impressed by players without a decent jump shot. as much as i liked wallace when he was with the kings (and of course i think that adelman has mishandled him), i think that he has hit his ceiling the last year. he was playing for a sucky team playing his heart out. i have serious doubts for what he can do when/if he plays for a contending team. his best case scenario would be kirilenko (another great team player without a jumpshot), but unfortunately he lacks the fundamentals.

You think a twenty-four year-old, playing significant minutes for the only the second season in his career, has hit his ceiling? A guy who set or tied career highs in every category last season has hit his ceiling? That's... interesting...

as for dunleavy, i think he was overhyped due to being a dukie and his senior. and he has completely crumpled under the media hype and the big, fat contract. he might get to a level where he becomes a key piece to a winning team but i have a hard time seeing him being the anchor of one.

Speaking over overhyped dukies... if Dunleavy, Jr. becomes as good a player as Laettner was during the first half of his career, he would have at least justified his draft status.

I didn't say anything about Pietrus in the first place. In fact, I didn't say anything about Junior, either. What I said was that Wallace is better than both Garcia and Salmons, and I stand by that one hundred percent.

 

[quick dog]

Would somebody tell me again why they jettisoned Gerald Wallace?


Oh, never mind.


There are just too many unanswered Kings questions.

 

[AriesMar27]

^^^2 words...

anthony peeler....

damn you peeler....

 

[twocents]

You think a twenty-four year-old, playing significant minutes for the only the second season in his career, has hit his ceiling? A guy who set or tied career highs in every category last season has hit his ceiling? That's... interesting...

Speaking over overhyped dukies... if Dunleavy, Jr. becomes as good a player as Laettner was during the first half of his career, he would have at least justified his draft status.

I didn't say anything about Pietrus in the first place. In fact, I didn't say anything about Junior, either. What I said was that Wallace is better than both Garcia and Salmons, and I stand by that one hundred percent.

well,for wallace, i will be pleasantly surprised if he turns out to be significantly better than the player he was the last season. i like him so any improvement on his part is welcome.

and i know you did not say anything about pietrus or junior, that was why i had not quoted you. wallace is better than both garcia and salmons; sure, no problem at all. the reason i referred to you was that i knew how much you were upset when the kings left him unprotected, basically signing his departure ticket. any time i say something not so good about him i feel like i should pay you some respect. i can sympathise to a certain extent as i was very very upset how adelman handled hedo for a season and then let him walk (yeah, yeah i know for miller; had adelman not crushed hedo's confidence and self-esteem that year (favoring jj over him), the kings would have acquired miller trading someone else).