Geoff Petrie. The man who collects a check and puts a crap on the floor.

[Siranthony]

I used to have the utmost respect for Geoff. But I don't see how anyone with any pride could stay here and put out such a crappy product year in and year out. He clearly doesn't care any more and is just collecting a check until he retires. Any other logical explanations?

 

[HereWeBoogie]

i gotta say, that thread title got me to LOL pretty good. well done sir.


as for Petrie, yes, screw him. sure the Maloofs dont give him the best budget to work with. but he still has made awful trades and awful draft picks.

2 years ago, team needs a SF, but screw it, lets draft Jimmer so we can sell jerseys and get a little media attention!
this year, still need a SF and a backup Center, screw Harrison Barnes and Andre Drummond and also screw Lillard who really impressed us in predraft workouts, lets draft another undersized big man.

 

[cuad]

What did the Maloofs promise you, Mr. Anthony?

 

[deekay2o9]

It's the owners the more I think about it. The Adelman fiasco, the Jimmer draft after trading down.

 

[Kingsfan23]

He's a relic. Never have I seen someone go from literally the top of their profession to someone who needs to be fired yesterday. It's trippy for me as well. Ten years ago I worshipped the ground this guy walked on as a Kings fan and held him as some type of borderline diety. Now I have as much confidence in his personnel decisions as I do if I were the one making them

 

[Mojo]

As much as I want to blame the Maloofs, Geoff has to be given a share of the blame. Unless the Maloofs are straight up telling him to assemble the team poorly, he did use up all of the cap space this off season on decisions that have not improved the team. We can say he is being restrainted by ownership, but other GM's are doing more with the same amount of cap space.

Petrie isn't a bad GM by any means but in the last couple of years he just seems to have lost his will. And to his credit, he's been in this position for over 15 years. It's certainly natural to get burned out after so long. Maybe a change of scenery would be beneficial to both sides.

 

[Glenn]

Petrie certainly seems to have lost something. I know he has lost a lot of staff. I don't have a clue if he is responding to having the Maloofs as employers. It's silly to be repetitious but we need a new owner and he/she/they can pick their own front office.

 

[Gary]

I used to have the utmost respect for Geoff. But I don't see how anyone with any pride could stay here and put out such a crappy product year in and year out. He clearly doesn't care any more and is just collecting a check until he retires. Any other logical explanations?

Love the thread title.. I can actually picture Petrie with a mop bucket full of crap mopping the court with it.

Petrie is probably one of the worst GMs in the league now. He has ran his course. It's time to move on.

I bet half of the posters on this board could put together a better team through trades and draft. I know my draft picks have been better than his for the last 6 years.

 

[LWP777]

The problem is we don't really know how much control he really has. For all we know, the Magoofs are calling most of the shots. I mean, who in their right mind would just quit a multi million dollar yearly income?

 

[The_Jamal]

The problem is we don't really know how much control he really has. For all we know, the Magoofs are calling most of the shots. I mean, who in their right mind would just quit a multi million dollar yearly income?

That's the real issue for me. I'm not totatlly convinced this is the product Petrie would put on the floor or the coach he would choose if he wasn't forced to play with pennies to put a team together. Does anyone really think if he had the 4-5 million budget that most teams have for head coaches that he would extended Smart? He's not totally absolved of blame, but it's hard to put everything on him with the type of ownership we have

 

[GameBall]

People need to stop making the low payroll excuse for Petrie. The Oakland A's had a winning season and an exciting playoff run. The A's have many of the same issues: small market, low payroll, outdated facility, penny-pinching owner. Billy Beane was still able to get things done; of course it helps when you still have a pulse.

 

[spudfan]

People need to stop making the low payroll excuse for Petrie. The Oakland A's had a winning season and an exciting playoff run. The A's have many of the same issues: small market, low payroll, outdated facility, penny-pinching owner. Billy Beane was still able to get things done; of course it helps when you still have a pulse.

Low payroll teams/small markets becoming successful is more of the exception rather than the rule. Most teams will eventually have a good run and get lucky with players but it is still pretty rare. We had a good run in the Webber era, if we have another one in the next decade I will be happy.

 

[Padrino]

geoff petrie's track record in sacramento has been terrible now for a much greater stretch than it ever was spectacular. he had a damn good run for a few years with the vintage kings of the early 00's. but a few good years do not justify his presently inert and complacent approach to reconstructing his team, nor do they justify the contract extensions he's consistently received. truth be told, things went downhill quickly the minute he traded chris webber. i don't think it was a trade he wanted to make, and it's been one bad decision after another ever since, as if he's haunted by the ghost of kenny thomas' contract or something. in the years that followed the "flexible pieces" disaster, GP has brought so many useless, listless scrubs to sacramento, players with minimal utility that never shored up the team's weaknesses. of course, no one saw kevin martin developing into a legitimate scoring threat in the nba, so GP got a bit lucky in that draft. it kept the kings afloat, or rather mired in utter mediocrity. that said, it took far too many years to jumpstart an official rebuild of this team. drafting tyreke evans and demarcus cousins were then "duh" moves of the highest order by the time petrie and co. got around to it. trading for marcus thornton was also a relatively inspired move, i must say, but we've yet to see the dividends in the envisioned role of thornton as 6th man. now that the kings finally have a couple of worthwhile pieces to build around, ownership and management have decided to opt for gimmicks rather than competitiveness, from hiring and extending a coach fresh outta the school of gimmick ball, to making isaiah thomas a focal point of the offense, to buying into jimmermania despite much more pressing needs than bringing over another tweener guard, to signing aaron brooks despite much more pressing needs than bringing over yet another tweener guard, to doling out minutes like candy on halloween, to giving the offensive greenlight to every single king on the court, short of the ball boy, all the while forgetting that demarcus cousins and tyreke evans were always going to need to be treated like the cornerstones of this team in order for it to succeed. it's as if this franchise is reading from the book on how not to win after drafting two impact players in subsequent drafts. it's embarrassing. absolutely embarrassing. ownership deficiencies aside, petrie needed to be canned yesterday. and by yesterday i mean years ago...

 

[Agent23]

People need to stop making the low payroll excuse for Petrie. The Oakland A's had a winning season and an exciting playoff run. The A's have many of the same issues: small market, low payroll, outdated facility, penny-pinching owner. Billy Beane was still able to get things done; of course it helps when you still have a pulse.

That only works in baseball because you're able to stash young players in the minors and you have greater roster flexibility than in basketball. You can't compare sports because each sport has different systems to succeed in. Basketball is based off of a star system and you need stars in order to compete.

 

[Jose]

I used to have the utmost respect for Geoff. But I don't see how anyone with any pride could stay here and put out such a crappy product year in and year out. He clearly doesn't care any more and is just collecting a check until he retires. Any other logical explanations?

He is a GREAT employee to the Maloofs. He does EXACTLY what they want. Cut costs, hire cheap coaches, dump salaries in trades, pick up discards from the waiver wire, show up once a year for the draft. Cost savings >>>> Quality .... he follows their lead and does a great job at it without pointing the finger at them or burning them in the press. I'm sure from his point of view, he is very happy with the work he's doing FOR HIS BOSSES.

 

[Npliam]

How far away from the salary cap are the Kings? I was under the impression that they were flirting with the cap.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

How far away from the salary cap are the Kings? I was under the impression that they were flirting with the cap.

That's correct. About $58M.

 

[Npliam]

That's correct. About $58M.

So the Kings have spent money. Just not wisely.

 

[Glenn]

So the Kings have spent money. Just not wisely.

We are one of the rare teams that is not over the salary cap. The Kings have the 4th lowest salary in the league. The salary cap can be exceeded and in the next few years must be exceeded to keep Tyreke and Cuz. Heck, the luxury cap can be exceeded if you are willing and able to pay the luxury tax. The Lakers team salary is around $100 mil. for example. It is routine for teams to be over the salary cap.

 

[LWP777]

People need to stop making the low payroll excuse for Petrie. The Oakland A's had a winning season and an exciting playoff run. The A's have many of the same issues: small market, low payroll, outdated facility, penny-pinching owner. Billy Beane was still able to get things done; of course it helps when you still have a pulse.

The difference is that the A's owner gives 100% control to BB. I'm pretty sure that's not the case with the Maloofs. I would almost guarantee you the Maloofs were the one who traded for Jimmer.

 

[Warhawk]

We are one of the rare teams that is not over the salary cap. The Kings have the 4th lowest salary in the league. The salary cap can be exceeded and in the next few years must be exceeded to keep Tyreke and Cuz. Heck, the luxury cap can be exceeded if you are willing and able to pay the luxury tax. The Lakers team salary is around $100 mil. for example. It is routine for teams to be over the salary cap.

They have spent because they HAD to - otherwise the league would have come down on them. See some of Stern's comments re: revenue sharing and MSE Sacramento. Like Glen said, they are right at the bottom of what they HAVE to spend.

And yes, they spent - but not wisely.

 

[Glenn]

They have spent because they HAD to - otherwise the league would have come down on them. See some of Stern's comments re: revenue sharing and MSE Sacramento. Like Glen said, they are right at the bottom of what they HAVE to spend.

And yes, they spent - but not wisely.

Yes, the only reason they spent what they spent is that if they did not, they would not have benefited from the revenue sharing. Don't anyone attribute any basketball reason for their spending what little they did. The league said that the revenue sharing was to be used to build a team and not to help solve financial problems. Their main goal is to right their financial ship and they are highly dependent on the fans and league helping by sending them money. Their attendance figures may be showing that even hanging on here will simply cost them more and more money. Moving is not likely as they do not have enough money to afford to move unless they get some sweetheart deal. There is no way the revenue sharing and other sources of income are helping them pay their bills. They MUST still be losing money mostly because of the attendance.

In the next few years, they will either pay Tyreke and Cousins or we lose them. I am not so convinced they will be willing to pay Tyreke and Cousins. That is just more expense on a team that cannot draw fans even with them on their team.

 

[Bricklayer]

Low payroll teams/small markets becoming successful is more of the exception rather than the rule. Most teams will eventually have a good run and get lucky with players but it is still pretty rare. We had a good run in the Webber era, if we have another one in the next decade I will be happy.

Its notable when we had our good run we were NOT a low salary team. In fact befoire Webb'sknee injury we were quickly getting reps as one of the league's big overspenders, racking up salary numbers in the range of the Lakers and Dallas. Top 6 in the league in salary as I recall. Always have seen the Webber knee injury and subsequent disappointment/disillusionment as the turning point both for the Maloofs and the fanbase. Both because they were naive previously, then bitter, disillusioned, and lacking committment afterwards. We "financially retrencehd" that very summer, let half the team go, quit signing those extra free agents, fired the expensive coach, shipped out the expensive players (who should have been shipped out earlier in many cases). Oddly Geoff has never won a GM of the year award since the days of penny pinchig kicked in. And he didn't win any of those awards in the years before the Maloofs came in as free spending party boys either. His peak, and our peak, directly coincided with the peak in Maloof money and swagger.

 

[Gary]

We are one of the rare teams that is not over the salary cap. The Kings have the 4th lowest salary in the league. The salary cap can be exceeded and in the next few years must be exceeded to keep Tyreke and Cuz. Heck, the luxury cap can be exceeded if you are willing and able to pay the luxury tax. The Lakers team salary is around $100 mil. for example. It is routine for teams to be over the salary cap.

I doubt they will extend Cousins, and Evans and go over the cap when the team is this bad. Teams as bad as us shouldn't be over the cap.

 

[chief bromden]

We are one of the rare teams that is not over the salary cap. The Kings have the 4th lowest salary in the league. The salary cap can be exceeded and in the next few years must be exceeded to keep Tyreke and Cuz. Heck, the luxury cap can be exceeded if you are willing and able to pay the luxury tax. The Lakers team salary is around $100 mil. for example. It is routine for teams to be over the salary cap.

We are actually over this seasons salary cap of 58.044 million (per NBA.com) by close to 100K according to hoopshype. Luxury tax barrier is around 70 million. Interesting that the NBA implements a salary cap that almost every team exceeds. What's the point...

 

[Bricklayer]

We are actually over this seasons salary cap of 58.044 million (per NBA.com) by close to 100K according to hoopshype. Luxury tax barrier is around 70 million. Interesting that the NBA implements a salary cap that almost every team exceeds. What's the point...

Changes the rules once you hit it, to make it tougher for you to keep adding salary. But yes, calling it the "cap" at this point isn't the best name.

 

[Arco Arena]

The difference is that the A's owner gives 100% control to BB. I'm pretty sure that's not the case with the Maloofs. I would almost guarantee you the Maloofs were the one who traded for Jimmer.

So what you're saying is that Petrie isn't to blame because he is a powerless puppet GM that the Maloofs ordered to make a horrible trade to draft a horrible player?

Sorry, Petrie isn't and shouldn't be off the hook for this disappointing team.