Garnett to Phoenix, Amare to Atlanta?

[Kingfanpaul]

Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
June 27, 2007
NEW YORK – Minnesota Timberwolves forward Kevin Garnett is close to going to the Phoenix Suns in a monumental three-way trade that would send Phoenix forward Amare Stoudemire to the Atlanta Hawks, league sources said Wednesday.
Atlanta would move the Nos. 3 and 11 picks in Thursday's draft, as well as Zaza Pachulia and Anthony Johnson, to Minnesota.
Minnesota owner Glen Taylor has delivered a mandate to his basketball executives to get a deal done, one league executive said.
Yahoo! Sports has learned that the trade would also save the Hawks from an emerging showdown between the front office and coaching staff over whom to draft with the third pick. The front office and coaching staff had settled on Florida power forward Al Horford, but a faction of the Atlanta Spirit ownership group, with business interests in China, is pushing them to take Yi Jianlian.The deal hinges on Atlanta general manager Billy Knight saying yes, as well as Hawks ownership, which is mired in lawsuits, being willing to increase payroll. It is believed that star Hawks guard Joe Johnson talked to his former Suns teammate on Wednesday and that the 24-year-old Stoudemire, a first-team All-NBA choice, told him that he'd welcome the trade.


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Updated on Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007 2:34 pm EDT​

 

[Kingfanpaul]

I think phoenix would be dumb to do this.

 

[bozzwell]

Makes sense for Suns, considering Nash's age, they have to win now.

Makes sense for Atlanta, by reuniting Amare and Joe Johnson, they suddenly a looking at being "a power" in EC.

Even makes sense for Wolves. They will lose KG for nothing after the season, they get 2 more lottery picks and at least get into a real rebuild mode.

Considering who is GM-ing Hawks and Wolves, this trade will probably not happen...

 

[Heuge]

Makes sense for Suns, considering Nash's age, they have to win now.

The difference between KG and Amare is no where close to the money.

 

[bozzwell]

The difference between KG and Amare is no where close to the money.

I think it's about who matches better against Duncan then the difference between the two players. Also, maybe there is something to the rumors that Amare just rubs people the wrong way?

Again, with Nash's age, and Oden AND Durrant about to join WC, it's about beating Spurs now, rather then building contender for the next 5 years.

 

[nbrans]

Why in the world wouldn't Minnesota just take Amare???

 

[bozzwell]

Why in the world wouldn't Minnesota just take Amare???

Because there is a possibility that in the long run, Wolves would be better off?

Because with Amare's contract length they cannot resign Jaric to max money?

This is McHale we're talking about.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

minne wouldn't take bc of microfracture surgery, contract size/length? they get a nice young player in horford, they get to pick 7th and the 11th. talk about a quick rebuild in a deep draft..

they can fill 3 positions in 1 draft horford, brewer and conley

or they could try to reunite the old florida team together horford brewer and noah

 

[supamari0]

Gotta love Minnesota. Two years ago, Chicago offers Tyson Chandler, Luol Deng, New York's #1 pick (which was the #2 in the draft) and New York's pick the next year for Garnett and Minnesota turns them down.

Now they get some lottery picks but knowing Minnesota, I'll bet they mess those up.

And Phoenix is taking a big gamble on this too. The Rockets pulled a move like this when we traded for Barkley and that ended up hurting us in the long run. I think KG won't decline like Barkley did but he has some tread on those tires.

But at least for the next 2 years, the Suns are freaking scary as hell. Garnett is a better scorer, can actually create his own shot, and is a much much better defender and rebounder.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

if your phoenix you HAVE to seriously consider it. nash is declining. suns have a small window to work with.

 

[Kingster]

If Minni pulls this out, they dominate a draft that is the best in years. All the other teams sans Portland and Seattle will have bit parts in Minni's play.

 

[nbrans]

I just think the draft is such a crap shoot, you take the sure thing in Stoudamire, take Atlanta's unprotected 2008, which Phoenix owns, and count your blessings.

 

[supamari0]

If Minni pulls this out, they dominate a draft that is the best in years. All the other teams sans Portland and Seattle will have bit parts in Minni's play.

This is Kevin McHale we're talking about, so unless he gets fired, Minnesota will find a way to draft a few more 6-2 combo guards.

 

[HndsmCelt]

If Minni pulls this out, they dominate a draft that is the best in years. All the other teams sans Portland and Seattle will have bit parts in Minni's play.

Exactly... MUCH better long term position than KG or Amerie really offer. I see this as one of those few trades that make sense for all 3 teams. Atlanta may caome out a little short, but they will be set for sort run and alraeadyu have younth, i's experience they need now.

 

[tjobrien]

It makes little sense for PHX - the only positive I see is sending Amare to the East. But they also have that unprotected #1 from Atlanta next year - Amare makes them a lot better, and this makes that pick a lot less valuable.

 

[Gargamel]

if your phoenix you HAVE to seriously consider it. nash is declining. suns have a small window to work with.

I think Amare is a harder guard than KG, personally. He attacks the rim 3/4ths of the time because his shot is manure. If I were a Suns fan, I'd be pissed if they had to give him up to get KG. They are right on the thin red line that separates them from SA as it stands now.

I think Phx is going to win it all next year or the year after by default w/ Amare. SA is bound to slip due to the natural progression of things or they could lose a tight series due to assorted mistakes (think 06 Mavs series).

Btw, what more does KG know about winning a title than Amare does?

 

[Ryle]

I think Amare is a harder guard than KG, personally. He attacks the rim 3/4ths of the time because his shot is manure. If I were a Suns fan, I'd be pissed if they had to give him up to get KG. They are right on the thin red line that separates them from SA as it stands now.

I think Phx is going to win it all next year or the year after by default w/ Amare. SA is bound to slip due to the natural progression of things or they could lose a tight series due to assorted mistakes (think 06 Mavs series).

Btw, what more does KG know about winning a title than Amare does?

I think this is a win now move with Phoenix because Nash is not getting any younger. They tried with the current line-up and couldn't do it and they think that KG would be their best chance at nullifying Duncan.

 

[HndsmCelt]

I think this is a win now move with Phoenix because Nash is not getting any younger. They tried with the current line-up and couldn't do it and they think that KG would be their best chance at nullifying Duncan.

Dead on... KG brings legit size, skills at each end of the floor and uinquenstionalble desire. The team will slow a bit with KG on the floor, but they will develop thier D and that is what brings championships.

 

[Gargamel]

I think this is a win now move with Phoenix because Nash is not getting any younger. They tried with the current line-up and couldn't do it and they think that KG would be their best chance at nullifying Duncan.

There aren't enough guarantees to mortgage a young superstar big over an older one. If the Suns act desperate when they have absolutely no reason to be, they'll regret it later, of that much I am confident.

Not that I'm saying this is gonna happen... I don't see Minny not wanting Amare as reported. I don't give him a ton of credit, but ol' Frankenstein up there in Minnesota can't be that stupid.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Btw, what more does KG know about winning a title than Amare does?

you could argue that garnett hasn't had a great supporting cast like he would if he were transplanted down in phoenix. they would definitely get at least to the western conference finals with that team.

 

[steelevt]

Timberwolves talking three-way Garnett deal
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
June 27, 2007
NEW YORK – Minnesota Timberwolves forward Kevin Garnett is close to going to the Phoenix Suns in a monumental three-way trade that would send Phoenix forward Amare Stoudemire to the Atlanta Hawks, league sources said Wednesday.
Atlanta would move the Nos. 3 and 11 picks in Thursday's draft, as well as Zaza Pachulia and Anthony Johnson, to Minnesota.

can someone with time please explain to me how this would work? whenever i see possible trades in the forums, many are shot down by other posters due to contracts not matching. with garnetts 21 mil, amare's 12.5 mil, and atl's players = 6.6 mil (AJ 2.6, zaza 4 mil), how does this work? do the 2 draft picks atl is trading come in to play monetarily (sp?). this would not work with espns trade machine and i would bet if brought up as a trade possibility in a forum, many would say this wouldnt work, yet we have sports columnists reporting the trade as almost complete.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

can someone with time please explain to me how this would work? whenever i see possible trades in the forums, many are shot down by other posters due to contracts not matching. with garnetts 21 mil, amare's 12.5 mil, and atl's players = 6.6 mil (AJ 2.6, zaza 4 mil), how does this work? do the 2 draft picks atl is trading come in to play monetarily (sp?). this would not work with espns trade machine and i would bet if brought up as a trade possibility in a forum, many would say this wouldnt work, yet we have sports columnists reporting the trade as almost complete.

I believe Atlanta is under the cap which is why they seem to figure in to so many multi-team deals.

 

[VF21]

can someone with time please explain to me how this would work? whenever i see possible trades in the forums, many are shot down by other posters due to contracts not matching. with garnetts 21 mil, amare's 12.5 mil, and atl's players = 6.6 mil (AJ 2.6, zaza 4 mil), how does this work? do the 2 draft picks atl is trading come in to play monetarily (sp?). this would not work with espns trade machine and i would bet if brought up as a trade possibility in a forum, many would say this wouldnt work, yet we have sports columnists reporting the trade as almost complete.

It doesn't work with the realGM Trade Checker either, with one of the reasons being that all three teams involved are, in fact, over the cap.

http://www2.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/

 

[sactownfan]

Amare is not going to the hawks thats what the Suns just said

 

[Sac.Kings]

the Hawks apparently have backed out of the trade because one of their owners has vetoed the trade. The trade, it looks like, has been put on hold until after the draft.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Haha... what? Is this the Joe Johnson trade all over again? Classic!

 

[Bricklayer]

Haha... what? Is this the Joe Johnson trade all over again? Classic!

Rumors are its the same owner -- Belkin. Still involved in litigation. While it would be tough, the NBA should really consider tightening up its charter so that it can force a sale in the face of stuff like this. Of course they may already have that provision, but its just not likely to be ued because the other owners don't want a precedent.

Unfortunate for us too -- given that Atlanta is too paralyzed to liekyl be able to deal with us either, this is a trade that would benefit us by getting those #3 and #11 picks out of Atlanta's hands. Minny would take a PF at #3, likely Horford, but then #7 would likely be another poisition -- proabbly a SF, or maybe Conley. Would keep Yi and Wright in play for us. As is if Minny trade KG elsewhere y9ou have the real chance of Atlanta taking a PF AND Minny taking a PF, and us ending up with nothing.

 

[cfechter]

I haven't really seen anyone analyze this trade from the Hawks' perspective, doesn't this trade make a whole lot of sense for Atlanta?? Two first rounders, no guarantees, for a 24-year old perennial all star???

If I were Atlanta, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

[Bricklayer]

I haven't really seen anyone analyze this trade from the Hawks' perspective, doesn't this trade make a whole lot of sense for Atlanta?? Two first rounders, no guarantees, for a 24-year old perennial all star???

If I were Atlanta, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Oh it makes a lot of sense, that is of course why one of their owners vetoed it. That bungled mess shouldn't be allowed to own a McDonald's franchise, elt alone an NBA team.


As an aside, if this does scuttle KG being traded...I'm back to crossing all my digits for an Artest for #7 swap as Minny goes for a win now strategy with KG.