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Nikefutbolero
Guest
Get Salmons the hell out of Sacramento..
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
It isn't looking like a good trade so far, that's for sure.
Well we couldn't have Thorton, Beno, Tyreke, and Jimmer on the team at the same time. I am already worried about a minutes crunch without Beno on the team. Shockingly, Salmons is the same player that he was when he was here last. Good enough to defend smaller 3s and larger 2s, can create his own shot, doesn't pass. Still a better player than Garcia. I think his contract is too long, but he is good enough to be a starter on a playoff team and for now that is good enough.
Kings Faithful
Starter
Disagree. He's good enough to be a starter on a 25 win team, and as long as he starts for us, thats what we'll be.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
Sorry, guys. As much as I dislike Salmons, he hasn't been a problem so far.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
He hasn't been a problem but he hasn't exactly been the SF solution they sought, either. So far he's been a stopgap. Which would be fine if he wasn't the highest paid player on the team...
TehSwimGuy
Bench
Wait, really? We pay him the most and he does jack ****. At least when we paid Webber he was All Star caliber.
Well he has started on playoff teams 2 of the last 3 years. Chicago in 09 and for the Buck in 10. So unless his play falls off a cliff, he is good enough.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
"Pay" Is meaningless in my opinion. He is one of the highest payed players on our team because Evans and Cousins are still on their rookie contracts.
Salmons has been fine. He takes 1 or 2 SSPG (New Kings stat I just invented .. selfish shots per game) which is less then Thornton/Evans/Cousins. And his defense has been good for the most part. He is such an easy target, and he has a bad reputation .. but really, he has been ok so far.
Salmons has been fine. He takes 1 or 2 SSPG (New Kings stat I just invented .. selfish shots per game) which is less then Thornton/Evans/Cousins. And his defense has been good for the most part. He is such an easy target, and he has a bad reputation .. but really, he has been ok so far.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
I'm glad you aren't the GM. With that approach, you could eat up cap-space like it's going out of style.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
Way to take one line of my entire post completely out of context! I'm glad you aren't a journalist.
I sincerely hope you actually understand my point. Salmons wouldn't be on this team if Evans and Cousins were making what they should be making.
The fact is we have room for Salmons contract right now. It is not killing us ... it isn't stopping us from doing anything we want to do. And his game on the court isn't doing that either.
I'd say the much bigger problem right now is the fact that we have a 5+ million dollar a year player riding the bench. THAT is what I call eating cap space. And I love Cisco to death. I like him way more than Salmons, but I do think Salmons is an upgrade over what Cisco gave us at the SF spot last season.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
Context is irrelevant here. There's no possible context that would make "Pay Is meaningless" not a dubious statement. Yes i understand your point but 8$ million is still 8$ million. It's just not good to have that kind of money tied up in a player who isn't producing much. It ties up money that could be used on trades or in free agency. That's why i liked the Outlaw pickup so much. if he produces, great, you got a steal. but if he doesn't, at 3$ million per he isn't going to have too much negative impact on your payroll either.
GoodOldDouwe
G-League
I agree, Salmons is doing pretty decent at this point. Kept us in the game in the first quarter last night. Made a smart foul to stop Rose's fastbreak layup and shot 50% from 3PT territory(and was probably the only King who shot 100% from the FT Line).
LA King Fan II
Bench
Agreed that they don't need Salmons if they have Garcia.
nickmcclure
Bench
We still Have Donte Greene on our team right?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
No chance at minutes though with so much clutter ahead of him on longterm contracts.
IfAt1st
Starter
Salmons is not remotely the problem with this team right now.
Right now, it's the whole team not getting back on runouts, Tyreke's inability to create and make his own shot against set defenses, selfish possessions that lead to bad shots (low %), and the coaching (substitutions, no offensive plays whatsoever, etc) that are killing the team.
Salmons, MT, and Jimmer actually make some plays against a set defense. Salmons was the best penetrator on the team against the Bulls' set defense. He scored almost half the times he penetrated. And yes, the Kings need someone to score against a good halfcourt defense. They can't rely on Tyreke anymore in the halfcourt - he's proven he can't.
Oh - and Cisco was nailing his practice shots more than anyone on the Kings team that I watched during the Bulls game.
He seemed to have a really good touch from 3 - I'd at least give him a few minutes out there to see how his shot is this year - it looks like he's been working on it quite a bit.
Right now, it's the whole team not getting back on runouts, Tyreke's inability to create and make his own shot against set defenses, selfish possessions that lead to bad shots (low %), and the coaching (substitutions, no offensive plays whatsoever, etc) that are killing the team.
Salmons, MT, and Jimmer actually make some plays against a set defense. Salmons was the best penetrator on the team against the Bulls' set defense. He scored almost half the times he penetrated. And yes, the Kings need someone to score against a good halfcourt defense. They can't rely on Tyreke anymore in the halfcourt - he's proven he can't.
Oh - and Cisco was nailing his practice shots more than anyone on the Kings team that I watched during the Bulls game.
He seemed to have a really good touch from 3 - I'd at least give him a few minutes out there to see how his shot is this year - it looks like he's been working on it quite a bit.
I wonder if Donté shouldn't get a shot tomorrow. It looks like Amare might be out, which would mean that the Knicks are going to lean real heavily on Carmelo. Donté might have a better chance of slowing down the Carmelo Attack than Salmons, simply due to size.
Then again, there's a difference between "should" and "will".
Id like to see Salmons do less driving and dribbling. Leave the ballhandling to Thornton, Jimmer, and Tyreke, even if they arent particularly excelling at it, it'll help to define their roles to some extent. Play defense and hit the spot up 3.
Id like to see Garcia get some time as well. IMO hes actually a really good defensive player when hes matched up with big guards and short small forwards. Doesnt do too much on offense, stretches the floor, can hit the 3 well, and is a willing passer in both the open and half court. Probably one of our better off ball cutters as well. It wouldnt hurt, but who knows if hes even in WP's game plan at the moment.
Id like to see Garcia get some time as well. IMO hes actually a really good defensive player when hes matched up with big guards and short small forwards. Doesnt do too much on offense, stretches the floor, can hit the 3 well, and is a willing passer in both the open and half court. Probably one of our better off ball cutters as well. It wouldnt hurt, but who knows if hes even in WP's game plan at the moment.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I actually think Salmons is pretty good at driving but we can wait a few games to see.
I don't have a clue as to why Garcia isn't getting any minutes. I'd rather see Garcia on the court than Outlaw. I am hoping there is some method to this SF madness (or "clutter" as Brick says) but I fear not.
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