Garcia...... power ranking i found

[Fillmoe]

2005 NBA Draft Player Rankings

From Brendan McGovern,
Your Guide to Basketball.
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1. Gerald Green, SG, High School
2. Francisco Garcia, SG/SF, Louisville
3. Monta Ellis, SG, High School
4. Martell Webster, SG, Washington
5. Marko Thomas, SG, Croatia
6. Eddie Basden, SG, Charlotte
7. Tiras Wade, SG, UL-Lafayette
8. Rashad McCants, SG, North Carolina
9. Salim Stoudamire, SG, Arizona
10. Luther Head, SG, Illinois
11. Julius Hodge, SG, North Carolina State
12. Matt Walsh, SG, Florida
13. C.J., SG, High School
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source: http://probasketball.about.com/od/nbadraftplayerprofiles/a/playerranking05_2.htm

 

[sloter]

From what I've seen of Tomas, he is much better than Garcia.

 

[captain bill]

Here's the summary:

Sure Thing: Smart, hard-working players without obvious physical limitations don't often flop in the NBA. So while we can all scrutinize Francisco Garcia's inconsistent shot, slight frame and advanced age (will turn 24 on Dec. 31) for a rookie, there isn't a safer bet to become a consistent contributor for years to come. Garcia will never be one to anchor an offense from the off-guard position so he won't get a look in the Round One until late. But he's exactly the kind of cerebral facilitator on offense and wiry nuisance on defense that established teams love to bring off the bench and give starter's minutes to. In that respect, he should have a similar pro career to Craig Ehlo.

Nice review, not anything new though. His age is actually something I like- no one really expects him to be a superstar or really an all-star even, but he should be an instant solid contributer and will be a solid role player beginning this year.

 

[VF21]

I think this was posted and discussed right around draft time...

At any rate, I think we're past the point of worrying about draft time power rankings. We have Garcia; he's going to be a part of our team for the next year. I'm just anxious for the season to start so we can actually see the "new Kings" in action!

 

[LA King Fan II]

It may have been my television, but Garcia did not seem to have a slight build anymore. In fact I will apologize for my reference to his likeness to Tayshaun Prince a few months back. He seems to have a better body at least on my 26 inch Sharp.

Hurray for Honeynut Cheerios.

 

[Les Jepsen Fan]

It's true. Watching the Summer League, it looks like Cisco has definitely bulked up. He's way bigger than Kmart(not saying much) and looks like he has a pro body already. I was most impressed with his court vision and his help side blocks. Cisco will get minutes this year, no doubt.

 

[VF21]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not real excited about a player who has "definitely bulked up" in a short period of time...



I'm not saying Garcia has used anything illegal, I'm just saying my initial reaction to that statement, unfortunately, is to think about the trials and tribulations of baseball players.

 

[Warhawk]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not real excited about a player who has "definitely bulked up" in a short period of time...

No, it's just you. I'd prefer to see if there are any weight changes of significance in a short amount of time. Just lifting, etc, for more strength and definition may lead to some assuming they bulked up when the difference may only be a few pounds (and entirely reasonable).

 

[G_M]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not real excited about a player who has "definitely bulked up" in a short period of time...



I'm not saying Garcia has used anything illegal, I'm just saying my initial reaction to that statement, unfortunately, is to think about the trials and tribulations of baseball players.

I'm sure if he did BULK UP it was from lifting and eating a high protein diet!

Sincerely,

Barry Bonds

 

[Kingsgurl]

It's OK, VF, they don't test for those, not unless there is 'suspected' usage. They never suspected shaq, so Cisco should be pretty safe.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

It's OK, VF, they don't test for those, not unless there is 'suspected' usage. They never suspected shaq, so Cisco should be pretty safe.

Haha he ain't on steroids.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

From www.probasketballnews.com



Notebook: Garcia faring well; Rose to T-Wolves?



By Sam Amico

August 29, 2005



• Sacramento first-round draft pick Francisco Garcia has looked sharp during the FIBA Tournament of Americas. Garcia is a 6-foot-7 swingman who is playing for the Dominican Republic and is averaging 20 points per game.



• Garcia could be an immediate contributor off the Kings’ bench, considering his strong ballhandling and defensive skills. The Kings are hoping he turns into a younger, improved version of Doug Christie.

http://www.probasketballnews.com/amico_0829.html

 

[Fillmoe]

• Garcia could be an immediate contributor off the Kings’ bench, considering his strong ballhandling and defensive skills. The Kings are hoping he turns into a younger, improved version of Doug Christie.

http://www.probasketballnews.com/amico_0829.html

werent we hoping the same thing for martin?

 

[Kings113]

Garcia's a better prospect than Martin right now, because of his versatility, maturity, and how he was a big part of one of the top college teams that went far in the tournament.

 

[1kingzfan]

Garcia's a better prospect than Martin right now, because of his versatility, maturity, and how he was a big part of one of the top college teams that went far in the tournament.

Patently untrue.

Martin clearly has greater versatility (showing this summer in two leagues that he can be THE man on his pro team) and maturity (he's developed a solid NBA work regimen and also knows the NBA routine, what to expect, and some tricks of the trade). How one can give an evaluation "edge" to a rookie player for having played in the NCAA tourney versus one that has one complete NBA season under his belt, with experience matching up against Kobe, TMac, etc. is beyond me.

Hopefully, BOTH will show their stuff for us this coming season.

 

[Kings113]

I said prospect, not player. Also I was partly comparing the time where Martin was last year to Garcia now. Obviously Martin has an edge in athleticism and NBA experience though.

I honestly still think it's going to be a close battle from both from camp into the first 3-4 weeks of the season for who gets most of the minutes, and establishes themself. I'd give a bit of an overall edge to Garcia though. Not like I dislike either player or anything, just what I think.

 

[VF21]

werent we hoping the same thing for martin?

WEREN'T?

What is the rush to throw dirt on Kevin Martin? He played limited minutes off the bench last year. He worked very hard with the coaching staff and has, from all reports, continued to do so ALL SUMMER. He's done very well in the summer leagues, and is continuing a regimen of hard work and practice.

Kevin AND Cisco are part of our hopes for the future. Instead of writing Kevin off, why not wait and see what happens? I honestly believe some of you have really gotten the wrong idea about this young man.

Yes, he may have come from a small college but that doesn't mean he has no spirit, no talent, no potential, etc.

I am, quite frankly, just a little disappointed. Most times Kings fans rally BEHIND our newer players. This time, for whatever reason and weak protestations aside, it seems as though some of you are actually hoping Martin will fail. Why? So you can be the first to say, "See, I told you he wouldn't make it." IMHO that's kinda pathetic.

Okay, I'm done...

::VF21 drags her soap box back into the corner...::

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Patently untrue.

Martin clearly has greater versatility (showing this summer in two leagues that he can be THE man on his pro team) and maturity (he's developed a solid NBA work regimen and also knows the NBA routine, what to expect, and some tricks of the trade). How one can give an evaluation "edge" to a rookie player for having played in the NCAA tourney versus one that has one complete NBA season under his belt, with experience matching up against Kobe, TMac, etc. is beyond me.

Hopefully, BOTH will show their stuff for us this coming season.

So Martin didn't prove anything last year, he had a cuple good games , the only advantage he pretty much has is practicing with the team & learning the NBA ways (Guarding Tmac a cuple times), Garcia has much greater versatility then Martin, Martin can play shooting guard, Garcia can play PG,SG,SF
Garcia has better handling, and passing, and probably better shooting, but your right I can't judge a player untill he plays in the league, Garcia has more upside, he's a more complete player.

 

[VF21]

OptimumRhyme - Maybe from Canada Garcia is a more complete player. 1kingzfan actually went to summer league games in Sacramento. He's commenting on Kevin Martin NOW, not how he was last year coming off the bench in very limited minutes.

All most of us who have seen Kevin are saying is not too jump to conclusions too quickly. Don't you want BOTH of them to succeed?

This is just wrong. Kings fans shouldn't be in such a hurry to put a promising player on the shelf.

You say you can't judge a player until he plays in the league, and then follow that with "Garcia has more upside; he's a more complete player."

If that's not judging someone ahead of time, I simply don't know what is.

Bottom line IMHO is that we should be thanking Geoff Petrie that we have these two promising young men. If they both work out, it could go a long way towards solidifying our bench for years to come.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

OptimumRhyme - Maybe from Canada Garcia is a more complete player. 1kingzfan actually went to summer league games in Sacramento. He's commenting on Kevin Martin NOW, not how he was last year coming off the bench in very limited minutes.

All most of us who have seen Kevin are saying is not too jump to conclusions too quickly. Don't you want BOTH of them to succeed?

This is just wrong. Kings fans shouldn't be in such a hurry to put a promising player on the shelf.

You say you can't judge a player until he plays in the league, and then follow that with "Garcia has more upside; he's a more complete player."

If that's not judging someone ahead of time, I simply don't know what is.

Bottom line IMHO is that we should be thanking Geoff Petrie that we have these two promising young men. If they both work out, it could go a long way towards solidifying our bench for years to come.

I do want Martin to succeed just as much as any other Kingsfans does, and I respect Kingzfans opinion because he/she went to the games to see Martin & Garcia live but from their overall skill from my standpoint I'm just saying that Garcia is a more versatile player then Martin.
It's not hard to see that Garcia can obviously pass & defend, but the guy can dribble like a point at 6'7. I have total respect and hope for both Martin and Garcia, because I can see them being the future of this team, I just have a higher bar of potential on Garcia because of the many thing he can do, and who knows Martin could still become a great passer and ball-handler he's still a young kid, and I would be thrilled to see that happen. But as of right now I think Garcia is a more well rounded player, and matured type of player. I hope you can see that I'm not trying to put Martin down at all, because if you remember last year talkin on here I was the one defending Martin most of the time, I still have very high hopes for both of the players.

 

[Kings113]

While the Summer League is a good indication and look at how players are themselves, it's still not near the level of the actual league itself and it's competition. That's what SL is basically about anyways.

 

[VF21]

At this point, I am simply not going to participate in any of the discussions about Martin and Garcia any longer. Some of you are so predisposed against Kevin that I find myself getting very perturbed for no real good reason.

I've been through the whole anger thing enough in the past season. I LOVE THIS TEAM! I'm not going to try and argue with people who seem to want to pit one of our players against the other - it just seems counter-productive.

Peace.

 

[nbrans]

At this point, I am simply not going to participate in any of the discussions about Martin and Garcia any longer. Some of you are so predisposed against Kevin that I find myself getting very perturbed for no real good reason.

I've been through the whole anger thing enough in the past season. I LOVE THIS TEAM! I'm not going to try and argue with people who seem to want to pit one of our players against the other - it just seems counter-productive.

Peace.

Word.

I really don't know why everyone is so pro-Garcia and predisposed against Martin when Garcia has not even played an NBA game yet. No one knows what kind of pro he's going to be, let alone who Adelman will play more. ADELMAN doesn't know who Adelman will play more at this point. To call this thread premature is an understatement.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Word.

I really don't know why everyone is so pro-Garcia and predisposed against Martin when Garcia has not even played an NBA game yet. No one knows what kind of pro he's going to be, let alone who Adelman will play more. ADELMAN doesn't know who Adelman will play more at this point. To call this thread premature is an understatement.

I like Martin & Garcia exactly the same as Kings players, yes I am pro that Garcia is more versatile then Martin (But i'm not hatin on Martin), Garcia came from a school that ran the Princeton Offence, and he ran the point at 6'7 most of the time, I'm just saying I can see more potential for Garcia because he has more components to his game then Martin does, he has a whole different attitude towards the game then Martin, Garcia is a pass first player, he sets people up, Martin is a scorer, and I think with the loss of Christies passing, Garcia could be alot more useful to us in the backcourt, because of how our offence runs.

 

[Kings113]

I like Martin & Garcia exactly the same as Kings players, yes I am pro that Garcia is more versatile then Martin (But i'm not hatin on Martin), Garcia came from a school that ran the Princeton Offence, and he ran the point at 6'7 most of the time, I'm just saying I can see more potential for Garcia because he has more components to his game then Martin does, he has a whole different attitude towards the game then Martin, Garcia is a pass first player, he sets people up, Martin is a scorer, and I think with the loss of Christies passing, Garcia could be alot more useful to us in the backcourt, because of how our offence runs.

Agreed.

 

[Warhawk]

Premature and pointless. I for one am really looking forward to the competition between the two for that backup role. Should be fun to watch.

Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who.

 

[KP]

I can't wait to see both of them play. IMO Kevin is really fun to watch and from all the reports starting to grow as a player, and Garcia has tons of upside and versatility. I'm crossing my fingers that both are going to contribute, because we are going to need them to.

 

[Kings113]

Premature and pointless. I for one am really looking forward to the competition between the two for that backup role. Should be fun to watch.

Yeah, like I've been saying...

 

[Bricklayer]

Garcia's a better prospect than Martin right now, because of his versatility, maturity, and how he was a big part of one of the top college teams that went far in the tournament.

Minus versatility, you have just described Mateen Cleaves. College success means almost nothing in the pros.

 

[Kings113]

Yeah, but that's part of his maturity and being through big games in general. Obviously not in comparision of the competition. Just saying it adds to his maturity as a player.

Not in comparision to Martin, as I don't know much about his time in college other than he was at a smaller school, and was a big scorer there, leading the nation, or something like that.