gunks
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Having three kids and a grandpa as our guard rotation might have something to do with it...
Keep up the good work PDA!
[Game] Game 72: Kings @ New Orleans Pelicans, 3/27/15, 5pdt, 8edt
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Having three kids and a grandpa as our guard rotation might have something to do with it...
Keep up the good work PDA!
It's the third law of Kings dynamics. Any former King with even a modicum of talent will, on any given night against the Kings, rise to the level of a player so good the average Kings fan will deeply regret ever losing him, even if it was the right move to make.
A lot of guards shoot well against us.
Hold up, "let" him go off? Evans is the second-leading scorer on their team. He's gone for 25+ twenty-two times in sixty-eight games.
captain bill
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Sauce got on Sports Center (cool!)
We still suck and are trending back towards lotteryville (yay?)
Kings-Pelicans could definitely be a big rivalry if both teams improve over the next five years, increasing the importance of having another 7 footer who can play D (duh.)
We still suck and are trending back towards lotteryville (yay?)
Kings-Pelicans could definitely be a big rivalry if both teams improve over the next five years, increasing the importance of having another 7 footer who can play D (duh.)
We were outplayed by a better hungrier team. Winning in games like this on the road is tough, especially when you're trying to get young players to step up their games to the level of the veterans they're playing again.
Rudy was comfortable against Q-Pon, Brow is just too much length for him.
@kingsnotesguru: At Pelicans, @boogiecousins moves into 2nd place in rebounds & 4th in blocks in Sacramento-era.
Technically, he's still tied with Thompson on that second one but, yeah.
That rebounding milestone has got to be an odd feeling for Thompson: he passed Divac for second in the Sac-era and tenth all-time this season, and then he himself got passed, in the same season. He's still got a shot to get back in the franchise's Top 10 before the end of the season, too. He only needs to average 5.2 rebounds, the rest of the way; that's a full rebound less than his season average.
HereWeBoogie
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Because we don't guard the perimeter. Its like shooting in an open gym
Tetsujin
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Playing screens has been this team's Kryptonite since the Reggie Theus era.
Big Cuz 15
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tyreke looked like a point guard tonight. 10 assists
In response to you and V21, yes they let him explode on offense. He was braking down our defense like there was no tomorrow. His pts don't even reflect how dominant he was..for example if you just looked at AD stats, you'd think he had some dominant type or game, but we who did watch it, know he was shut down until a few mins left in the 4th.
Tyreke was dominant tonight and we had no answer. We let him do whatever he wanted. Put someone with size on him...anyone
It's semantics at this point. Your comments sound as though we could have stopped him but just didn't. I'm saying there was no one in a Kings uniform tonight that was going to keep Tyreke Evans from doing his thing.
It doesn't help that we did let him do his thing without stopping it.. It just bothered the heck out of me to see Tyreke do whatever he wanted tonight. I don't know if we had anyone who could stop him, but this loss was a loss. Better team won and it's alright.. We will beat them next time though..
rainmaker
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It's amusing some think this was a rare night for Reke. He's been their 2nd best player all season, has had a number of games like the one tonight and arguably has been the engine which has pushed NO to much of its success.
And we decided 11M/Y was 3M too expensive, so we moved him for Vasquez. Awesome.
And we decided 11M/Y was 3M too expensive, so we moved him for Vasquez. Awesome.
KingsFanSince85
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If it was common, he'd be shooting far better than 29% from 3-pt range and 43% overall (for the 2nd straight season, BTW). The 3-pt % needs no explanation as to why it's awful. With regard to 43%, that would be acceptable if he was strictly a deep shooter, but it's flat awful for a player that gets into the paint and to the rim as much as he does.
So considering his awful %'s the past 2 seasons in New Orleans, it would fairly accurate to claim that tonight was a rare night. He doesn't shoot this well all that often. %'s don't lie. Opinions do.
For what he brings to the table, it was. Forget the shooting %'s, he has a low basketball IQ - which is never going to change. How many times have we seen him botch a 2 or 3-on-1 break because he can't or won't make the correct pass? Fact is, as great as Anthony Davis may be, the Pelicans will be sitting home for the postseason just like the Kings because Evans really isn't that damn good.
Oddly, as bad as this season has been, the Kings have a good shot at finishing with more wins than they ever produced with Tyreke on the team. He just wasn't a good fit with Cuz and the team will produce equally without paying their lead guard 11M per.
How would Evans done under Karl? Under Malone?
Those touting records fail to acknowledge that the best coach Tyreke had (has!) was Westphal. Just let that sink in. Malone was salivating at the prospect of coaching Evans.
I'm glad Evans is doing well. It chaps my ass that the FO lacked vision, but there we are. The money invested in Evans would have meant that we wouldn't have spent it on... Landry? Collison? That argument isn't really valid. Nothing we gave up for Evans is really helping us now.
In the end, it's probably the best to tip your cap to Evans, wish him well, and move on. None of the negative circumstances during his tenure were of his doing, and this team is looking to move forward as well. I will still think about what could have been, but c'est la vie.
Those touting records fail to acknowledge that the best coach Tyreke had (has!) was Westphal. Just let that sink in. Malone was salivating at the prospect of coaching Evans.
I'm glad Evans is doing well. It chaps my ass that the FO lacked vision, but there we are. The money invested in Evans would have meant that we wouldn't have spent it on... Landry? Collison? That argument isn't really valid. Nothing we gave up for Evans is really helping us now.
In the end, it's probably the best to tip your cap to Evans, wish him well, and move on. None of the negative circumstances during his tenure were of his doing, and this team is looking to move forward as well. I will still think about what could have been, but c'est la vie.
Evans has also done this to the likes of Memphis, Dallas, Chicago and Golden State. "Let" had nothing to do with it. Courtney Lee and Tony Allen damned sure didn't "let" Evans go for 26/7, on .625 shooting.
KingsFanGER
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I don't mind that Evans had one of this games.
What really bothers me is that we gave up 3pointers in transition for the likes of Pondexter and company.
Most teams love those transition 3's, cause they are difficult to defend, but we need to handle them better than we did last night.
Evans...well to me he is still overvalued quite a bit on this board. He is a unique player, but still has lots of holes in his game. Evans, Rudy and DMC would be a core, that's way too vulnerable to a zone defense.
AD is a better fit next to Evans than DMC. The only negative point in the Reke trade, was that our FO passed on Lopez.
What really bothers me is that we gave up 3pointers in transition for the likes of Pondexter and company.
Most teams love those transition 3's, cause they are difficult to defend, but we need to handle them better than we did last night.
Evans...well to me he is still overvalued quite a bit on this board. He is a unique player, but still has lots of holes in his game. Evans, Rudy and DMC would be a core, that's way too vulnerable to a zone defense.
AD is a better fit next to Evans than DMC. The only negative point in the Reke trade, was that our FO passed on Lopez.
Well, First of All(TM), I don't know that it could reasonably stated that Evans is overvalued: one might say, relative to his production, that he is valued right in line with what he ought to be. You'll never hear me make the case that he's an efficient player, but he is putting up productive numbers on a winning team, so he's already proven a lot of people wrong, who said that he couldn't do that. Let me ask you this: how many players do you think there are in the league putting up his numbers (pts/reb/ast) or better, and how many of them do you think get paid less than Evans?
Secondly, I don't think that keeping Evans would have enabled us to get Gay without ultimately trading him, anyway, so I'm doubtful that a Cousins/Evans/Gay core was ever feasible.
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PoundForPound
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This team needs a massive over-haul at the guard rotation, McLemore, McCallum, Collison, Stauskas....you're going nowhere with that.
KingsFanGER
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Can you compare Reke to other players? He is a more or less positionless combo guard/forward and can play up to 3 positions. Closest thing to him is maybe Evan Turner, but Reke is way more skilled. Lance Stephenson was very similar for Indiana, but gets paid less in Charlotte. You can't compare Reke to players like Wes Matthews or even Avery Bradley.
So for me it's not about numbers. It's about how you get those numbers. Is Reke a good player? Of course he is. Is he a good fit for a team built around Cousins? No he isn't from my point of view.
I prefer Gay over Reke, because he can play the 3 and the 4, is a better shooter, can create his own shot almost like Reke. He will never be the drive and kick player Reke is, but with a Center, that's able to be a playmaker and is not a pure finisher like f.e. AD that's not needed in order to be a successful team. For me Reke's very unique skillset makes him a lot less valuable in a league that is all about floor spacing.
Big Cuz 15
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they thought mbah moute now derrick + landry + vasquez better than reke. i guess they like their vodka diluted.
Big Cuz 15
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i have to disagree here. reke will bend a opposing team's defense where as rudy can be shut down. not only will reke bend the defense, he draws fouls on guards and big men. there is a significant advantage when an opposing teams best players are in foul trouble on the bench. people only look at the #s but there are other dynamics which make reke a special player.
There was a time when all players were like that. The specialist notion of point guard, shooting guard, etc. , is fairly recent. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that having a talented player who's not a specialist is a negative, unless you're determined, above and beyond anything else to make him fit into a specialist role.
I find these sentences to be incongruous. It should stand to reason that a player with Evans' drive-and-kick ability should be highly valuable in a league that you claim to be all about floor spacing. The only way it wouldn't be is if you have your mind made up that he has to be one of the guys doing the spacing.
