Front office - who's in charge? (split)

And that, I'm afraid, sounds almost exactly like the sort of things people used to say about the Maloofs. The hairs on my neck just rose up. Stop that. :p

I want to say one last thing re Vivek. I am willing to grant that PDA might not turn out to be a super GM (although I'm not discounting it just because of the Landry signing which I think is his most conspicuous head scratcher).

But, Vivek's lust for success will ultimately win out even if he has a few growing pains along the way. He's not Maloofian in any remote sense of the word. He does not appear to be lazy. He does not appear to be a brat or a playboy or a "flash over substance" guy. He does not appear to be a cheapskate or a guy lacking in big picture vision.

Is it possible he got the PDA hire wrong? Sure.. but Larry Bird said "hell no" if reports are to be believed, so what are you gonna do.

It is just "sensible" to be on Vivek's side. It is practical. Could I ever see myself grabbing a rock and joining a mob against PDA? I suppose under some circumstances (certainly not less than two years in after he jettisoned Salmons Hayes and Thornton). But against Vivek Ranadive???? no no no and hell no. no matter what. he gets lots and lots of mulligans... he's no Maloof.
 
Instead of starting a new thread, I will put this here. From Zach Lowes Grantland article today

http://grantland.com/features/2014-...-and-losers-houston-rockets-chandler-parsons/

Listed us as the biggest FA loser

1. Sacramento: There will be more to come on this. No one outside the Kings’ brain trust can figure out what is up here.

I'm assuming he is working on an article dedicated just to them. He is another Isaiah fan and we know how he has felt about Boogie in the past (I think that has changed or is changing), but Grantland is working with the Kings on those draft 3.0 pieces, so it's not an adversarial relationship. I am interested to see what comes out if does do a full blown article.
 
Instead of starting a new thread, I will put this here. From Zach Lowes Grantland article today

http://grantland.com/features/2014-...-and-losers-houston-rockets-chandler-parsons/

Listed us as the biggest FA loser



I'm assuming he is working on an article dedicated just to them. He is another Isaiah fan and we know how he has felt about Boogie in the past (I think that has changed or is changing), but Grantland is working with the Kings on those draft 3.0 pieces, so it's not an adversarial relationship. I am interested to see what comes out if does do a full blown article.
Was it the biggest FA loser or the winner in "WTF are they doing" Award sub-category? I thought it was the latter.
 
Maybe that was what he called. Regardless, there is something brewing.

Also, looks like boogies is coming up on a podcast with Bill Simmons, that will be interesting.
 
Instead of starting a new thread, I will put this here. From Zach Lowes Grantland article today

http://grantland.com/features/2014-...-and-losers-houston-rockets-chandler-parsons/

Listed us as the biggest FA loser



I'm assuming he is working on an article dedicated just to them. He is another Isaiah fan and we know how he has felt about Boogie in the past (I think that has changed or is changing), but Grantland is working with the Kings on those draft 3.0 pieces, so it's not an adversarial relationship. I am interested to see what comes out if does do a full blown article.

As long as Zache and Grantland are actually talking to our FO before writing articles about wtf is going on, then I'm good with it.
 
Rudy Gay is a LOT better than Trevor Ariza offensively. He is also better than Luol Deng offensively. Other end of the floor he is not as good, but those guys are good defenders rather than super stoppers. Gay is clearly the one of them most suited to goto guy/carry you duties, but he is less suited to roleplayer work. And yes, he is worth considerably more than Ariza. And given age, should be worth more than Deng too. Parsons and Hayward were closer to his peers, and they ran off getting silly money. With that kind of stuff going on if we get him back for less than $14 you gotta feel you've done pretty well, especially since people don't want to come here.
I agree with you and I will have no complaints if we ever go for Gay at same price Parsons and Hayward got.

Oh well, we have no choice now anyways. Done is done. But if the FO had the choice among Parsons, Hayward, Bledsoe, and Rudy though, I wished they had Gay last on their list because of fit. Upto now, I wish Gay had opted out on that $19M and maybe the FO had that chance on securing our future with Parsons, Hayward, or even Bledsoe on a long term deal and cheaper at $15M/year. The savings of about $4M could have been used for trial on a decent shot-blocker.

Sigh.

And now, we don't even know if Gay will sign with us after this season for $15M/year. He knows he is in control because we will look more desperate to get better next year. Most likely, he will ask for more than he is truly worth. Same uncertainty and problem all over again.
 
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Instead of starting a new thread, I will put this here. From Zach Lowes Grantland article today

http://grantland.com/features/2014-...-and-losers-houston-rockets-chandler-parsons/

Listed us as the biggest FA loser

Yet our only two real moves were 1) to draft a guy who was plausibly BPA and 2) to replace a PG who didn't get along with our star and who didn't get an offer anywhere near what his "reputation" suggested he was worth with a cheaper, slightly more veteran, probably not-quite-as-good PG. I mean, there's not exactly a step forward there, but considering we're capped out there's not really a step backwards, either. What were we supposed to do, draft Vonleh?

The sad truth is that despite having new ownership our front office is seen as a joke by the general public. Zach Lowe is no different. He doesn't follow the Kings, he just looks over every once in a while trying to find a reason to snipe at us. People are stuck in the past. We traded junk for Rudy Gay?

Doesn't count, doesn't fit the narrative. He's terrible, he's a chucker, the rest of the league hates him. What, his shooting percentage was 94 points better in Sac than Toronto? His TS% was 99 points better? Eh, probably didn't happen. I won't bother to look at the numbers, he's a chucker.

Fact is, none of this is going to change until we start winning again. We're a joke until then, no matter what we do. No matter what we do.
 
I want to say one last thing re Vivek. I am willin
g to grant that PDA might not turn out to be a super GM (although I'm not discounting it just because of the Landry signing which I think is his most conspicuous head scratcher).

But, Vivek's lust for success will ultimately win out even if he has a few growing pains along the way. He's not Maloofian in any remote sense of the word. He does not appear to be lazy. He does not appear to be a brat or a playboy or a "flash over substance" guy. He does not appear to be a cheapskate or a guy lacking in big picture vision.

Is it possible he got the PDA hire wrong? Sure.. but Larry Bird said "hell no" if reports are to be believed, so what are you gonna do.

It is just "sensible" to be on Vivek's side. It is practical. Could I ever see myself grabbing a rock and joining a mob against PDA? I suppose under some circumstances (certainly not less than two years in after he jettisoned Salmons Hayes and Thornton). But against Vivek Ranadive???? no no no and hell no. no matter what. he gets lots and lots of mulligans... he's no Maloof.

V wanted an analytics guy.. Bird is not the one for the job. V sounds like he wants yes men also. That is not going to fly with Bird.
 
We are really pushing for Josh Smith and the talk is that its Malone who is pushing for the move. PDA isn’t keen given what Detroit wants but Malone is pushing for him and feels that this sets us up to finalise a deal for Rondo and enter the win now phase.

i dont know if this is power play stuff yet but there a clear issues here on the direction of this team. The Golden state guys seem to be awefully driving the direction
 
We are really pushing for Josh Smith and the talk is that its Malone who is pushing for the move. PDA isn’t keen given what Detroit wants but Malone is pushing for him and feels that this sets us up to finalise a deal for Rondo and enter the win now phase.

i dont know if this is power play stuff yet but there a clear issues here on the direction of this team. The Golden state guys seem to be awefully driving the direction

How do you know this?
 
Because they can't put anything on the internet that isn't true.......

Oh yeah. I forgot...

BTW? Did you know that the guy who plays the "French model" in that commercial is Carmichael Dave's sister's boyfriend? The more you know. :)
 
Oh he's going to take care of it for me. He's about 1 more losing season from getting his underqualified ass fired. Unfortunately as likely as not to be replaced by Chris Mullin who appears to have strapped himself to Vivek's hip. Nonetheless he's done absolutely nothing to deserve anyone's particular respect. Unfortunately for him, I don't know that he is entirely in control of the situation to fix things. I have ?? over several decisions made in his tenure, about how much he is to blame, or how much he is to credit. There is a Maloofian air of too many cooks hovering over our decisionmaking crew. Go back and watch the vid of the idiots dancing around when they drafted McLemore. Notice the one guy who isn't? Watch the vid of this recent draft with Stauskas. Notice the hesitation? Landry may have been Malone's idea. This Golden State fetish would surely be coming from Vivek/Mullin, not PDA, who came out of Denver. etc. When there are reports that we are looking around the league for either a shotblocker or a stretch 4 to put next to Cousins...that's a very odd thing for a single individual to target. Two wildly different visions. Would not surprise me if those two visions belong to two different factions in the front office. not sure which one is PDA, and which one is the coach or Golden State boys. In any case gerbil was wildly unqualified to suddenly get a random promotion. He wasn't even expecting the hire. The thought has occurred to me more than once that that may have been done on purpose to create a weak GM/set up a decionmaking cabal including the owner, his "advisors", the coach the owner hired, and then the GM. That's done all the time. You want to be hands off, you hire a big hitter who runs things like he owns the team, in dictatorial fashion. You want to have a say/meddle? You hire somebody underqualified who is aware of the weakness of their position and will not dare to make moves without your sanction. In which case BTW Pete has my sympathy. Few things suck worse than being led down a path to failure that is going to land on your lap, and not having the power to change it.

In any case, this next move is the one that could get the rodent off his resume...or could seal his fate as a temporary phenomenon quietly demoted back to basement stats geek/cap specialist. The shotblcoker/defender. The guy who is going to have to serve as defensive catalyst. I have been saying for weeks I strongly suspect gerbil is trying to do something big back there, and it could change our fate considerably, for good or ill. Just don't know if we have the pieces left that anyone will play along, which BTW again returns to the poor planning stages.

I wish I could see it your way but I can't. Even if I tried I couldn't. Too much one- way judgementalism and too much just bare-ass speculation about what we don't know. Otherwise you might be right.
 
I wish I could see it your way but I can't. Even if I tried I couldn't. Too much one- way judgementalism and too much just bare-ass speculation about what we don't know. Otherwise you might be right.

I take it you are not a fan of Bricklayer's over the top "Jim Rome" like way of posting by beating a topic into the ground as if he actually has a say in the matter? All while trying to self promote with as much bravado as possible and using words like "jocker" and "gerbil".

Me neither.
 
I wish I could see it your way but I can't. Even if I tried I couldn't. Too much one- way judgementalism and too much just bare-ass speculation about what we don't know. Otherwise you might be right.

You alas appear to be a modest individual who lacks my innate sense of utter superiority, which provides a certain swinging confidence. :)

That, and of course an unfortunate history of being right about a great many things that have gone wrong with the Kings over the years.
 
The board would be a pretty boring place if everybody was the same. Bricklayer has a style he has used since at least 2000 (I didn't start reading the board until then). You can argue his style but you cannot argue his dedication to this board.
 
The board would be a pretty boring place if everybody was the same. Bricklayer has a style he has used since at least 2000 (I didn't start reading the board until then). You can argue his style but you cannot argue his dedication to this board.

That's true. In wrestling terms he's a true "heel" and if you disagree with what he says, his style definitely will annoy you. If it's partially an act I can certainly appreciate the craft and it does make for a more entertaining board and discussion.

I do hope in everyday life the style considerably toned down. It doesn't hurt to be humble and self promotion only works when there is something to actually gain.
 
That's true. In wrestling terms he's a true "heel" and if you disagree with what he says, his style definitely will annoy you. If it's partially an act I can certainly appreciate the craft and it does make for a more entertaining board and discussion.

I do hope in everyday life the style considerably toned down. It doesn't hurt to be humble and self promotion only works when there is something to actually gain.

Dude, he's a lawyer. Humble isn't in his vocabulary.

Anyway, I said all I wanted to say, :)
 
Dude, he's a lawyer. Humble isn't in his vocabulary.

Anyway, I said all I wanted to say, :)

Well the profession certainly explains a lot of things if not just about everything.

I actually know a dozen plus lawyers........ a few of them are nice guys.
 
You alas appear to be a modest individual who lacks my innate sense of utter superiority, which provides a certain swinging confidence. :)

That, and of course an unfortunate history of being right about a great many things that have gone wrong with the Kings over the years.

Love your response! And I look forward to the next.
 
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