I'm not sure why you are so convinced he has no value but you're certainly entitled to that opinion.
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Kingster
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The irony could be that Fox gives the Kings a championship .....because he is traded.
SacTownKid
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If Fox wants out, and his people have a set of specific parameters as far as trade destinations, his value will be much lower. I would expect they would be in that Siakam area but hopefully not a Butler one where he supposedly has 1 destination in mind. That would be ugly. Then you kind of just have to hope they have picks to give.
He wants to go to a winner and almost certainly he'd accept Miami, Houston and San Antonio.
Aside from that, teams are willing to take risks. I would think we'd get something in between the Bridges deal and the Spida deal. I would think all three teams above would be 10x more confident than Cleveland was when they traded for Mitchell that they could retain Fox's services beyond one year.
The other poster is arguing that Fox has no trade value unless I am missing something. It's not like Bridges is the only big trade that ever happened.
kingsboi
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giving Fox the max would basically handicap the team from making any further moves to improve and with Fox having 5 head coaches now in 8 seasons, he is a finished product as far as I'm concerned. Conclusion being, if he is going to continue to excel in other aspects of his game such as consistency every single game, it won't be for this franchise, if at all. That said, I would like to see the Kings get a whole bunch of youth and picks for him and just go another direction. After that, look to get rid of DeRozan and then eventually Sabonis too since it's so tough to be a good defensive team with him patrolling the painted area.
Max contract = fine - he'll get that in FA from anyone. They've been trying to give him a max extension for 2 seasons now.
Super Max is where the trouble is.
Super Max is where the trouble is.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
but doesn't he need to meet a certain criteria such as All-NBA and/or All-star appearance to get the supermax?
Yes. And that's why he's been holding out on signing the max extension, he's hoping to hit that criteria.
The fact he hasn't hit the criteria yet to be eligible is what's troubling about signing him to it imho. He just hasn't had the consistency required to be a top 10 paid player in the league.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
he won't meet it and the only time he was named an All-star was as an injury replacement, which very well could happen again but this is not the year for that. I'd like to see Monte compose a team with lots of assets and see where it goes.
I agree he won't meet it unless Klutch has some pull with the awards voters to rig this stuff to make sure players are eligible at the right time. The whole super max concept is completely broken even before the new CBA showed up.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
do you really think Klutch has that much power to sway voters to make players eligible? I suppose you never know when the paper green is in play but I'd like to believe the integrity of the sport is in play here
TaxMan
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Do I trade fox? Probably….i think he’s a tremendous player but not elite. I don’t think you win a championship with him as your number one and there is likely no way to get a player better to team up with him. He is “worth” a big extension but not the super duper max (which he won’t get regardless).
But you got to realize the odds of us getting a player back as good as Fox is slim. Any young player we get back likely won’t ever be an all star. You are playing the sum of parts is better by getting one or two you players that fill out the team better. It would be like when the nuggets traded Carmelo to the Knicks. The following season they had a team of very good players that won a ton of games. Then you get hopefully at least one unprotected pick and pray you are holding the lottery ticket when a generational player is in the draft.
But you got to realize the odds of us getting a player back as good as Fox is slim. Any young player we get back likely won’t ever be an all star. You are playing the sum of parts is better by getting one or two you players that fill out the team better. It would be like when the nuggets traded Carmelo to the Knicks. The following season they had a team of very good players that won a ton of games. Then you get hopefully at least one unprotected pick and pray you are holding the lottery ticket when a generational player is in the draft.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Houston would be ideal if on his list. FVV/picks for Fox/Huerter. The Rox have a ton and potentially valuable ones. Get that Suns 2027 pick as part of the package and that's a good trade all around. Expiring $$$ and picks. Done and done. In 2026 the Kings could have max FA space on top of it all. Maybe you can get them to throw in someone like Eason.
All NBA awards are murky as heck. He made an All-NBA third team. I think that if he does that again he's eligible.
Joshyjosh31
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Reed has to be in any fox deal but i think Herro would be a better package he’s still relatively young and is putting up 23-4-4 this year. Miami is the team that probably pays the most for Fox with his connection to Bam and having missed on KD/Lillard.
For reference Spida returned Markkannen, Agbaji, Sexton, 3 firsts and 2 swaps. I'm not sure why expecting Reed, Jabari, and Whitmore plus 2 picks is out there. I think we should be asking for more (Eason, swaps, better picks because they have many) and accept that as a counter.
Miami doesn't have near the assets that the other clubs have and part of the reason they didn't get Lillard was because nobody wants Herro they've been trying to move him for 3 seasons now.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
I'd rather take the extra pick than a small combo who projects to be a scorer. The Rockets could realistically add 3 1sts and not bat an eyelash. They'd still have tools to use more in a future trade too. FVV would actually come in and potentially fit too since he's pretty decent on defense. The Kings could probably throw Huerter in as well and get most of those salaries off the books ASAP.
captain bill
All-Star
I almost made a joke in the Heat game thread about our lineup issues being solved with Fox going to the bench - Keon / Monk / Deebo / Keegs / Domas has a nice mix of playmaking, rebounding, defense, and inside-out scoring. Demar as the go to dog. If we traded Fox for a solid 2-3 player bench we could be very dangerous. Unfortunately severely limits our window with Demar’s age, but we could come out as a very dangerous team if Fox forced his way out and we got a good package for him
obviously I don’t want that, but food for thought
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SacTownKid
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Maybe, but I see that trade and figure the Jazz are trying to essentially move those players they got anyway and some of those picks are apparently going to suck numerically, lol. The Rockets could have some seriously valuable picks considering some of the teams that owe them. Also, the Jazz weren't trying to necessarily field a competitive team post trade either, they were looking purely at value. The Kings likely wouldn't be tanking. If they were then yeah, you'd want youth/picks. Throwing in a bunch of young players could just complicate things and certainly take away some of those picks as a result. I think cap space/picks is the better option. I like the idea of Jabari but then you just create an issue moving on in re-signing both Keegan and Jabari at the same time. What if the team needed more change after that?
Joshyjosh31
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Herro wasn’t a 23-5-5 player two years ago his contract look bad at that time Herro now would’ve got them lillard. Also I believe they would’ve got lillard regardless but Portland wasn’t trading with Miami for “tampering” reasons. Herro now is an all star and Ware is a very good prospect if you can’t get those two for Fox you do it.
You must be very low on Reed he could be a star he’s an elite shooter and if we were surrounding him with Carter, Keegan, and another big wing then the defense would be fine
If Jaime Jaquez Jr. is include with Ware I'm listening as long as there's at least 3 picks and swaps but still think Houston's and maybe San Antonio's offers would be better and Houston is Fox's hometown which has to carry more weight then Bam.
Nitpick: the season after the Melo trade, the Nuggets went from 50 wins to 38 wins. The season after that they won 57 games and lost in the first round as a 3-seed, and then the following season they only won 36 games with the same core. They only made the playoffs once between the Melo trade and Jokić's fourth season.
He's a lot less likely to become a star than the guy you appear to want to trade for him.
chief bromden
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Igoudala wasn't part of the Nuggets core, eh?
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
I'm lower on situation and opportunity. I don't know how the Kings, while still trying to compete with a pretty full rotation mind you, can give a fair shake to an undersized score first and maybe only combo guard that needs shots and plenty of them. If Fox is moved I would hope part of the potential is that maybe more offense could go to someone like Keegan or Carter. Again, expirings/picks is the way to go for where the Kings are heading unless they can pull off a 1 for 1 star of equal value trade. Now, if Monte was looking at a rebuild then heck yeah, bring on the young talent, but I think the easiest and most likely path is simply going forward on the one they're already on while putting themselves in a position to perhaps pick and choose 1 of, 2 of, or maybe all 3 of the avenues of improvement via the draft, trade, and/or free agency.
TaxMan
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….interesting also that while he scored a ton of points, Camelo also never went on to be good enough as a number one to lead a team to a championship (or anywhere close unless I’m forgetting). Either way I don’t think this core ever sniffs a championship….i just want a fun entertaining and competitive team.
twslam07
All-Star
I’ll be interested to see if UTA are buyers or sellers this offseason. Will Ainge attempt to build around Markkanen or will he move him for more assets/picks now that he’ll be eligible for trade again in the offseason?
If Ainge wants to trade him, I’d be very interested in bringing him aboard for a package of Monk & picks. If Ainge wants to keep him and build around him, I wonder if he’d be interested in Fox. Depending on where their 2025 UTA 1st lands, perhaps this framework makes sense for all parties…
De’Aaron Fox
for
John Collins
Taylor Hendricks
Cody Williams
2025 UTA 1st
We’d essentially get 3 top 10 picks from the last 3 drafts (& Collins) for Fox. Obviously the shine has worn off a bit with two of those top 10 picks (Williams due to his slow rookie start and Hendricks due to fracturing his leg at the beginning of the season) but I still like both of them long term.
If Ainge wants to trade him, I’d be very interested in bringing him aboard for a package of Monk & picks. If Ainge wants to keep him and build around him, I wonder if he’d be interested in Fox. Depending on where their 2025 UTA 1st lands, perhaps this framework makes sense for all parties…
De’Aaron Fox
for
John Collins
Taylor Hendricks
Cody Williams
2025 UTA 1st
We’d essentially get 3 top 10 picks from the last 3 drafts (& Collins) for Fox. Obviously the shine has worn off a bit with two of those top 10 picks (Williams due to his slow rookie start and Hendricks due to fracturing his leg at the beginning of the season) but I still like both of them long term.
ockingsfan
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Yeah, having a player get a Supermax contract bump can completely screw a franchise over, especially small market teams.
Look at Hali's supermax contract because he made an All-NBA 3rd team last year. Now Indiana is straddled with his bloated contract even though Hali's play has fallen back down to earth. As a team, they would be far better off if Hali never qualified for that salary bump for making the All-NBA 3rd team. Now he's earning 30% of their salary cap and they are limited in ways to improve that team.
Sadly, it would be better off for a team (i.e. Kings) if their star player never reaches that supermax salary bump, making it harder for teams to build contenders when they pay so much to one player.
Joshyjosh31
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I don’t want to trade fox I thought the conversation is if that point comes this summer I’d rather keep him but if he wants out then you have to trade him
I highly doubt we’d get Herro, Jaime, then picks and Ware
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