Front office coup drama 2025 edition
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Vinny Basketballerino
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And that's NOT for Lasagna.
My best, totally uneducated guess, is that Fox engineered the coup, and may have even hand picked Christie. This has felt like a players revolt, and now that the team is more united than ever, I simply cannot believe that our best player was not part of whatever this has been.
And that's NOT for Lasagna.
My best, totally uneducated guess, is that Fox engineered the coup, and may have even hand picked Christie. This has felt like a players revolt, and now that the team is more united than ever, I simply cannot believe that our best player was not part of whatever this has been.
But Fox had dinner with Brown the other night. I don't even know what to think any more.
Here's the thing though - Fox could be totally cool with Brown and yet there is no way that Klutch would allow Brown to call out their client nightly. It's damaging to the brand. The reporters who don't watch games only highlights get those clips of Brown calling out Fox and leave off their awards ballots and he loses out on the super. He misses an all star nod over a guy who doesn't get called out for mistakes. And why did he single out the dog walk on a play that turned into a made 3-pointer?
So yeah, Fox seems at least superficially cool with Brown but Klutch had to have at least been tangentially involved in this decision. It happened days after Rich Paul met with the FO.
Here's the thing though - Fox could be totally cool with Brown and yet there is no way that Klutch would allow Brown to call out their client nightly. It's damaging to the brand. The reporters who don't watch games only highlights get those clips of Brown calling out Fox and leave off their awards ballots and he loses out on the super. He misses an all star nod over a guy who doesn't get called out for mistakes. And why did he single out the dog walk on a play that turned into a made 3-pointer?
So yeah, Fox seems at least superficially cool with Brown but Klutch had to have at least been tangentially involved in this decision. It happened days after Rich Paul met with the FO.
iowamcnabb
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Has nothing to do with Brown, Fox has made this super clear. Fox said last offseason he wanted to see if the Kings can build a consistent winner and then when asked about it recently he said “they knew how I felt in the offseason and nothing has changed”.
Fox wants to put himself in the best position to make the most money and maximize his career. He made that clear when he dumped his friend agent for Klutch, and to his credit it’s worked. They got him the big endorsement with Curry and now they are going to see if his best outcome can happen in Sac or on one of the legacy franchises.
I’m going to spend exactly zero seconds worrying about it. If he wants to be here and can help us win, great! If he doesn’t we get to restock the cupboards with assets and build around a lot of other talented and fun players we have on the roster. Future can be bright either way.
Fox wants to put himself in the best position to make the most money and maximize his career. He made that clear when he dumped his friend agent for Klutch, and to his credit it’s worked. They got him the big endorsement with Curry and now they are going to see if his best outcome can happen in Sac or on one of the legacy franchises.
I’m going to spend exactly zero seconds worrying about it. If he wants to be here and can help us win, great! If he doesn’t we get to restock the cupboards with assets and build around a lot of other talented and fun players we have on the roster. Future can be bright either way.
Klutch is who we need to worry about with Fox.
Joshyjosh31
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It’s a simple fix don’t have a klutch client on your team
Agreed. It would give the team legitimate assets and so much flexibility to build the team out. The backcourt would be fine with Monk/Ellis/Carter.
GWD
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Fox may be able to separate Brown "the person" from Brown "the coach". That is a mature way of looking at a person, especially now that Brown is no longer the coach and that aspect of the relationship is gone..
Since Brown was hired, I have constantly and consistently said that he seems to be a nice and decent guy. Also noted was that his coaching, especially teaching and training techniques, were antithetical to long-term success. (Feel free to check my past posts...can't imagine there would be much interest.)
With the vastly improved roster during Brown's first year, success was likely despite the flawed educational aspects. But those aspects wear thin in the long term and become impediments to progress. That is what happened here in Sacramento and most likely in the other head coaching positions he has held. His next head coaching tenure, should another team take a chance, will be revealing.
ockingsfan
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If the Kings decide to trade Fox, they will do it this off season. There is no reason to move him now, he's not leaving huge money on the table, with most every good team in salary cap hell.
If Fox wants to leave at the end of the season, it will be by sign and trade and the Kings better be getting a couple of good young players and a bunch of first rounders (Houston or San Antonio) would be interesting trade partners). We could potentially do a rebuild overnight with the haul we get.
If Fox wants to leave at the end of the season, it will be by sign and trade and the Kings better be getting a couple of good young players and a bunch of first rounders (Houston or San Antonio) would be interesting trade partners). We could potentially do a rebuild overnight with the haul we get.
The next ~5 weeks will be make or break. I don't think a deadline deal will happen unless we go on another losing streak, and I'm fine if Fox accepts a non super extension giving another year, but if he won't agree to extend before the draft we need to move him by draft day.
KingsFanSince85
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I’m getting to that point too.
Or Swipa can get back on the court and prove that he’s worth all the fuss by leading this team to next level and beyond.
He's still under contract for next season, it won't be a sign and trade and the receiving team will not want his new deal on the books when they make the trade as it dramatically complicates the trade. They will likely want him to sign the extension upon arrival though.
ockingsfan
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Good point, he is looking to sign the (super) max extension this off season.
If he can sign the super he signs it and then we'll have another problem on our hands in one or two years if we aren't winning and he demands out.
But even if he isn't eligible when you do an extension the sending team can only take back current salary while the receiving team has to take back base salary on the extension. So it creates a cap nightmare for matching salary purposes on top of the new CBA and might require a third team who will want some of the picks we'd otherwise receive in the deal for facilitating it.
SLAB
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He ain’t getting the SuperMax. No way he makes an all-NBA team let alone even potentially an All-Star team, right?
gunks
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It's a tough decision.
We could get a ton for him, and retool around a roster with a lot of talent, while watching him average 30ppg on another team.
Or we resign him to a bajillion dollars and hope he doesn't kill his trade value prior to demanding out by reverting to "sulky Fox" if we continue to struggle in the vicious West.
Knowing Monte, he'll wait around for a Godfather offer without directly putting Fox on the trade block, which isn't the worst approach. Fingers crossed Vivek doesnt get all wishy washy and **** this up like he did with the Cuz trade.
We could get a ton for him, and retool around a roster with a lot of talent, while watching him average 30ppg on another team.
Or we resign him to a bajillion dollars and hope he doesn't kill his trade value prior to demanding out by reverting to "sulky Fox" if we continue to struggle in the vicious West.
Knowing Monte, he'll wait around for a Godfather offer without directly putting Fox on the trade block, which isn't the worst approach. Fingers crossed Vivek doesnt get all wishy washy and **** this up like he did with the Cuz trade.
Does Klutch have the pull to make it happen out of thin air?
What are the odds that he suddenly shows up every night and for every quarter?
He is who he is, if that changes I imagine it will only happen on another team.
If we can get into a 4-5 seed and win our first round playoff series I am fine with whatever direction we go, but if we hit a wall again I think writing on what to do will be all over it.
whitechocolate
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I very much want Fox to stay. But if he gets traded, there better be no expectation other than for the Kings to get the best package possible. I can't stand selfish players who expect a team to sacrifice itself because the player feels entitled to a spot on a good team.
In my mind Miami is probably the worst package between the Houston, Spurs and Miami and it could still be a compelling one if we got JJJ and Ware.
Section 101
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People are missing an important point. Fox can only sign a super max contract with the kings and can't be traded for 1 year after.
Fox is a better asset in this league than Bridges, I truly believe that. Which is why I just balked at a potential return over in the Personnel Moves forum. My order of preference is this:
1) Keep Fox, make smart moves for rotation guys, let's get back to Contenderland
2) Trade Fox for an absolute haul
3) Keep Fox through the end of his deal, force him to find a team in Free Agency who will pay him. May end up on the good side of a S&T, may end up keeping him anyway if no adequate suitor materializes (or he may want to stay if we turn the corner)
4) Trade Fox for a quarter on the dollar at the 2026 trade deadline. Face-saving move, nothing more.
5) Trade Fox for a quarter on the dollar now. No thanks. Rather see him walk for nothing.
Not sure anyone has missed that. If he even becomes eligible to sign the super it means things are working. The biggest part in all of this is the belief there is no way any player on the Kings is going to become eligible until we establish ourselves as a perennial playoff threat.
SacTownKid
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There might be some other things not being taken into account like market size. Fox is now getting shoe deals, etc. Who cares about that kind of stuff more than agents? This is another year where All star ballots are coming in well below what they probably want to see vote wise. Who's on top? The players getting more national attention, Sac fans not voting means jack because local markets aren't getting players 1 mil + votes, the national one is. Yeah, unless you are winning titles it's going to be hard for less appealing markets to hold onto players for the majority of a players career if they are trying to break into that top commodity range as a celebrity. We're also assuming that Monte and Vivek want any part of potentially paying Fox a supermax. We know they offered that early max, but that high number is pretty high haha.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
There's still time until the deadline. Monte should kick the tires on a trade market at the deadline, but unless something like a 3-4 pick situation is there it's smarter to wait. See what happens on draft night. You never know.
Caccia
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If it's a contract year, that could easily happen. I believe Fox is treating 2024-25 like a contract year. No time like the present to "Turn on the jets!"
Also, while the Christie era is off to a great start, there's still A LOT of information between now and the deadline. Kings could rip off a 10-5 streak or a 5-10 streak, which makes what we do at the deadline vastly different.
Joshyjosh31
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lol bridges situation isn’t happening ever again out gets bet for a haul is pinning houston, Orlando, and Miami against eachother. I think there best offers would be:
Herro/Jaquez/picks
Suggs/Issac/picks
Reed/FVV/picks
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