Free agency mega thread 2025 edition!

Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1940593507179417815

The Warriors out here acting like the Heat. No wonder they weren’t able to pull do a Kuminga deal with Miami. Dunleavy and Pat Riley probably couldn’t hear each other over their own egos.
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I really don't see a world where they even risk the chance of him ascending as a King. Even though I'm not head over heels for the guy, I can definitely see why we'd wanna take the swing

Kingz19 said:
Surprised at all the Kuminga hate I’m seeing on other groups and forums. KHTK was hating earlier too.

Seems the Warriors media campaign to tank his value has mostly been successful at creating the perception that he’s an empty calorie player AND despite being only 22 and a prototypical modern forward, he has already hit his ceiling or is close.

Hell, it’s even starting to give me trepidations. Warriors did this guy dirty after the Butler trade. They switched up on him. Remember they offered him an extension before the season
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Which is wild considering Jimmy Butler has maybe 2-3 decent years left to begin with. Do they really think they're beating OKC any time soon?
 
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Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1940606047179428298
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I wouldn't deal either one for Kuminga and I'm not joking. Ew


serbiangoat said:
So the Kings need to give up assets for a guy who wants 30mil and has pretty much proven nothing in terms of deserving it. He's another low IQ player along with Lavine , I'm feeling really bad for Sabonis and Keegan this year

It's a swing for the fences I guess and he and Keegan do fit well but paying Kuminga 30mil is insane unless he really shows something this year
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LaVine being "low IQ" is ridiculously untrue. One of the best offensive players in the game? He's not the best decision maker with the ball but he's certainly above average there. Low IQ where??
 
SacTownKid said:
It depends on the narrative as to whether or not the Warriors "don't want Kuminga", if they didn't, why didn't they trade him already? I guess I might be giving a franchise with winners cred more credit than they deserve but they would never have let themselves get into that situation. And they aren't. The Kings can only offer the MLE at this point. The Warriors would easily just match that and tell Kuminga to suck it up. Which Kuminga would likely never sign that BTW. If the Kings want him, they'll have to pay. I would say Carter, Monk, and depending on the picks is paying a pretty hefty price for a sight unseen result. I like Kumingas upside but it's still more of the gamble territory than guarantee.
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I think the Warriors are asking themselves whether they really need a 22 year old on big money on their roster given their goals. They are pot committed to this old core for 3 years. They are probably going to land Dame at some point on a minimum too.

Kuminga has plenty of warts. He didn’t shoot in the Gleague and so far he hasn’t been able to consistently with the Warriors either. Free throws too. Hes in that Jalen Green/Sharpe/Mathurin tier where you aren’t a hundred percent sure they help you win. Still, it’s a swing that could work out given his age.
 
Kingz19 said:
Surprised at all the Kuminga hate I’m seeing on other groups and forums. KHTK was hating earlier too.

Seems the Warriors media campaign to tank his value has mostly been successful at creating the perception that he’s an empty calorie player AND despite being only 22 and a prototypical modern forward, he has already hit his ceiling or is close.

Hell, it’s even starting to give me trepidations. Warriors did this guy dirty after the Butler trade. They switched up on him. Remember they offered him an extension before the season
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The only thing I can really see is almost all of Kumingas advanced stats had him as about the 10th-11th man for them when it came to WS, VORP, and BPM. He's been about flatlined in most areas. Of course he's been a bench player mostly so that probably is bringing things down. Either way, the Warriors are probably like, no, we're not paying you all that money because they are looking at that and the fact that there is no market to bid him up. This is the practical business situation. Kings fans are too used to things like paying 16 million to Lyles when he wasn't getting close to that on the open market. Potentially the same with Malik.
 
iowamcnabb said:
I think the Warriors are asking themselves whether they really need a 22 year old on big money on their roster given their goals. They are pot committed to this old core for 3 years. They are probably going to land Dame at some point on a minimum too.

Kuminga has plenty of warts. He didn’t shoot in the Gleague and so far he hasn’t been able to consistently with the Warriors either. Free throws too. Hes in that Jalen Green/Sharpe/Mathurin tier where you aren’t a hundred percent sure they help you win. Still, it’s a swing that could work out given his age.
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Then that comes back down to really not wanting him or not. Not wanting him and just not wanting to bid against themselves is what separates franchises like the Warriors from, well... the Kings. lol. I just expect them to be doing some dirty crap like forcing Kuminga to play on a QO so they can still have all that talent and not get hurt by the aprons. I guess we'll find out.
 
NewArena said:
I wouldn't deal either one for Kuminga and I'm not joking. Ew



LaVine being "low IQ" is ridiculously untrue. One of the best offensive players in the game? He's not the best decision maker with the ball but he's certainly above average there. Low IQ where??
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Literally can't run a pick n roll and can't see the floor and despite being a elite athlete can't defend I mean according to that logic Michael Porter Jr (one of the dumbest players I have ever seen at any level of basketball)is a high IQ player than since he's a a efficient scorer and good scorer.
 
SacTownKid said:
The only thing I can really see is almost all of Kumingas advanced stats had him as about the 10th-11th man for them when it came to WS, VORP, and BPM. He's been about flatlined in most areas. Of course he's been a bench player mostly so that probably is bringing things down. Either way, the Warriors are probably like, no, we're not paying you all that money because they are looking at that and the fact that there is no market to bid him up. This is the practical business situation. Kings fans are too used to things like paying 16 million to Lyles when he wasn't getting close to that on the open market. Potentially the same with Malik.
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His advanced impact stats aren't that impressive for how much money he would be making...
  • EPM = 195th
  • VPM = 239th
  • DPM = 247th
  • LEBRON = 178th
  • 2Y RAPM = 313th
  • eRAPTOR = 237th
  • MAMBA = 185th
  • Overall Average = 228th

However, how he has improved in some of these stats (I don't have access to historical stats for some of the metrics above) year after year is very promising...

DPM
2021-22 (19 years old)= -1.6
2022-23 (20 years old) = -0.1
2023-24 (21 years old) = -0.3
2024-25 (22 years old) = +0.3

LEBRON
2021-22 (19 years old)= -1.3
2022-23 (20 years old) = -1.6
2023-24 (21 years old) = -0.3
2024-25 (22 years old) = +0.1

2Y RAPM
2021-22 (19 years old)= -2.9
2022-23 (20 years old) = -2.7
2023-24 (21 years old) = -1.4
2024-25 (22 years old) = -0.7

MAMBA
2021-22 (19 years old)= -2.2
2022-23 (20 years old) = -1.7
2023-24 (21 years old) = +0.2
2024-25 (22 years old) = -0.4

As you can see, he seems to be trending well in all of those metrics, and he is going to be turning only 23 right before the upcoming season. He may not be the impact player today that warrants that type of money, but when you combine the improvement, the potential, and his age, perhaps it can be justified.

Also, during his first 3 seasons, he did post a 60% TS% while averaging (per 36 min) 17.2-21.9 PPG. However, that TS% dropped down to a lackluster 53.5% last season while averaging 22.6 PPG per 36 min. Looking at his shot distribution, his attempts from 0-3FT took a noticeable dip last year in favor of more 3s (and he's obviously not an elite shooter from 3).

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It also looks like his FGMs that were assisted took a pretty substantial hit last year too...

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I haven't watched enough Warriors basketball over the years to explain these shifts, but if he can return to operating in the paint, getting to the rim, etc., I would expect that TS% to climb back up on good volume.
 
The problem is that being on the warriors kinda masks how good or bad a player really is, because the warriors strictly play in their system.
What we dont know is:
is Kuminga bad because he doesnt fit into the warriors system?
Or is he bad in general because he can't buy into any system?
Or was he just bad because that just is his learning curve, and he needs this time to develop

So giving him that contract is pretty risky, BUT the reward could be high with him
 
Tetsujin said:
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If Miami has genuine interest in DeMar DeRozan and the Kings aren't pursuing those possibilities, then Scott Perry is approaching this off-season unwisely. DDR has been an iron man his whole career, but he's nearly 36 years old and a major injury could be waiting around just about any corner. He really shouldn't be a part of either the Kings short-term nor long-term plans, so if there is anything resembling a trade market for him this summer, the Kings need to work to offload him, if for no other reason than to make time for their younger talent.
 
Padrino said:
If Miami has genuine interest in DeMar DeRozan and the Kings aren't pursuing those possibilities, then Scott Perry is approaching this off-season unwisely. DDR has been an iron man his whole career, but he's nearly 36 years old and a major injury could be waiting around just about any corner. He really shouldn't be a part of either the Kings short-term nor long-term plans, so if there is anything resembling a trade market for him this summer, the Kings need to work to offload him, if for no other reason than to make time for their younger talent.
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We have to see what goes down. And for all the people thinking acquiring Kuminga is a wait and see thing, nah. This is as close to a mid level all in type move as you get. You give up your one lottery pick player on a rookie contract, a piece like Monk, and who knows what kind of draft capital. This team can't afford to be bad because that not only means you're bad but also going to be bad paying guys like Domas, Kuminga, and probably Keegan between 30-40 million a piece and paying 15 million to Schroder. Age really has nothing to do with it, Kuminga is pretty much developed, he's just not getting time and attempts.

As for DeMar, I can get the idea of putting LaVine and Kuminga together, not DeMar. Kuminga actually plays a lot like LaVine in some ways. You'd have two super athletic, multifaceted offensive players. The defense? Eh, that will determine a lot of career paths in the Kings FO and on the bench moving forward. The Kings better straight dump DeMar at the first chance if they get Kuminga. The Kings can't then turn around and attach assets Holmes style just to gain a little cap flexibility to make more roster changes at the top of the rotation. This team for all intents and purposes will have holes and little money to do much of anything major with it if need be moving on.
 
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