Fox Watch 2025

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There's no "if," it's incompetence whether Divac and Fox were on the same page or not. If you pass on the BPA to make your star player happy, that's incompetence. At the absolute bare minimum, Divac could have done what Atlanta did and draft Dončić anyway, and trade him for assets.

In my Personal Record Book™, "Fox ran Haliburton out of town" is a conspiracy theory. I understand that you, specifically' did not use the words 'malice' or 'intrigue' but, AFAIC, the malice is implied in such a belief.

Yeah, I don't get why people are so against the "BPA" approach of drafting, regardless of who you already have on your roster (especially when that BPA is someone like Luka). When the Kings officially went on the clock back in 2018, the fact that De'Aaron was on the roster shouldn't have impacted who was drafted. Regardless of that fact, Luka should've been a Sacramento King that night, even if it were for a short period of time, and he was later flipped to another team for assets. Draft the guy!

In reality, what SHOULD'VE happened was...

1. Draft Luka.
2. Field offers for both Luka and De'Aaron.
3. Accept the better offer.

I don't think I would ever be able to express just how pissed off the 2018 draft made me that night, and still makes me to this day. And I don't see it ever stopping. Even if/when we find our way back to relevancy, that blunder will still haunt me.

Thanks a lot (for absolutely NOTHING), Vlade!

 

[pdxKingsFan]

"Grateful that it isn't our problem" kind of makes it sound like this is the outcome you're hoping for?

Being put in a position where we had to decide between Fox and Haliburton sucked (regardless of the outcome). So on the surface I mean what I said, I am grateful that we don't have to go through that again.

As for what happens between Fox and his back court mates I really don't care. I think ultimately it will be too expensive to keep all three so a decision will be made. Who goes and who stays is none of my concern. I don't really have any feelings one way or another about San Antonio, they seem to be incredibly fortuitous in a few of the most anticipated lotteries of all time, but I can't hate them just for that.

Am I rooting against Fox? Yes. Absolutely.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Yeah, I don't get why people are so against the "BPA" approach of drafting, regardless of who you already have on your roster (especially when that BPA is someone like Luka). When the Kings officially went on the clock back in 2018, the fact that De'Aaron was on the roster shouldn't have impacted who was drafted. Regardless of that fact, Luka should've been a Sacramento King that night, even if it were for a short period of time, and he was later flipped to another team for assets. Draft the guy!

In reality, what SHOULD'VE happened was...

1. Draft Luka.
2. Field offers for both Luka and De'Aaron.
3. Accept the better offer.

I don't think I would ever be able to express just how pissed off the 2018 draft made me that night, and still makes me to this day. And I don't see it ever stopping. Even if/when we find our way back to relevancy, that blunder will still haunt me.

Thanks a lot (for absolutely NOTHING), Vlade!

Brandon Williams was allegedly the driving force behind evaluating Bagley so high. He truly believed he was the top pick of the draft. To the extent we had the number two pick and Bagley was the only guy we brought in for a workout. They met with Doncic but I believe it was in Europe. They didn't meet with JJJ or any of the other big man prospects, it's possible that some of them declined a workout though. But more or less we were picking Bagley no matter what unless Phoenix did.

I think Vlade was neutral on Luka (respected his play while having character concerns which I think are valid) while Vivek and his son wanted him. If there was ever one time for Vivek to overrule everyone that was it. I do wonder if him second guessing that for 7 years played any part in acquiring Zach.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Yeah, I don't get why people are so against the "BPA" approach of drafting, regardless of who you already have on your roster (especially when that BPA is someone like Luka). When the Kings officially went on the clock back in 2018, the fact that De'Aaron was on the roster shouldn't have impacted who was drafted. Regardless of that fact, Luka should've been a Sacramento King that night, even if it were for a short period of time, and he was later flipped to another team for assets. Draft the guy!

In reality, what SHOULD'VE happened was...

1. Draft Luka.
2. Field offers for both Luka and De'Aaron.
3. Accept the better offer.

I don't think I would ever be able to express just how pissed off the 2018 draft made me that night, and still makes me to this day. And I don't see it ever stopping. Even if/when we find our way back to relevancy, that blunder will still haunt me.

Thanks a lot (for absolutely NOTHING), Vlade!

There are sometimes choices that happen in life where you just know right away that it was a massive mistake. That draft was one of them. Could just feel it in the pit of my stomach and was almost in shock. I knew that front office was questionable at best, but just couldn't believe, until it happened, that they were that incompetent

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

There's no "if," it's incompetence whether Divac and Fox were on the same page or not. If you pass on the BPA to make your star player happy, that's incompetence. At the absolute bare minimum, Divac could have done what Atlanta did and draft Dončić anyway, and trade him for assets.

In my Personal Record Book™, "Fox ran Haliburton out of town" is a conspiracy theory. I understand that you, specifically' did not use the words 'malice' or 'intrigue' but, AFAIC, the malice is implied in such a belief.

I think those decisions were clearly made with the relationship with Fox as an input to them. I don't think that necessarily means he or his team was pulling the strings, but that he had influence on the way things would go, even without using coercion.

One year later Fox switches agents to the legbreakers in Clutch Sports. At that point I think we can all mostly agree he's fine with coercion. What difference does a year make?

I think the boundry between coercion and "influence" is fuzzy

 

[SacTownKid]

I’ve always thought that. Dude clearly didn’t like playing with him. He may have said all the right things and liked him personally but their game didn’t mesh, and it showed on the court.

It wasn't a perfect fit by any stretch, but the idea that two PG's or whatever couldn't work was a ridiculous notion. Plenty of teams have done it but it would have taken too much thought for the powers that be at the time. That said, yeah, Fox was getting very territorial. He was probably behind the push to move Davion and Carter for a wing too. Yeah, thankfully the Kings didn't make big moves for Cam. Good player, he'll come back, but paying for 1st option Cam and getting 4th option Cam and meh defense would have been a blunder.

 

[NewArena]

Damn, Castle had 23, 10 and 10 the other night. They paid Fox a LOT of money lol

 

[NewArena]

Fox complementing the triple doubles from Wemby and Castle with a 13/5/5 line with 6 turnovers and 1-5 from 3. Didn’t think his 3pt shooting could get worse, but he’s following up for 31% last year with 27% this year. Must still be his hand

The hand excuse has been going on since game 4 against the warriors lol dude needs to go to Germany and find out what medical staff handled Kobe.

 

[NewArena]

The thing that has to affect their decision making is, I think that Fox makes San Antonio ready right now. Like, the only team in the west I would bet money on beating them in a seven game series is Oklahoma City and, if Wembanyama is rolling, who knows? I think they're one piece away from a championship, but acquiring that piece might cost them Harper.

And also, OKC is super-young and has a ton of picks themselves, so it's not like San Antonio can rely on a strategy of just keep with a core of kids, and hope to be peaking when OKC is on the way down, a) because OKC may not be on the way down for a long time, and b) Wemby might not be willing to wait that long.

And they still have Denver to think about. A poised, deep veteran team with Jokic ain’t losing to the spurs in a best of 7 any time soon IMO. They are super duper talented though

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

And they still have Denver to think about. A poised, deep veteran team with Jokic ain’t losing to the spurs in a best of 7 any time soon IMO.

I obviously disagree. We'll find out soon enough, I guess.