sactowndog
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not if you can’t play them both simultaneously. And especially when you have a big hole that cost you a play-off spot.
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not if you can’t play them both simultaneously. And especially when you have a big hole that cost you a play-off spot.
iowamcnabb
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if I’m Monte, I’m working the phones to get to 10 or 11 if he is still there, don’t think he makes it to our pick otherwise.
iowamcnabb
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TDS. Has anyone watched full games of him? What are your thoughts? He reminds me of Franz Wagner some. Doesn’t move his feet laterally as well as Franz did in college from the clips I’ve seen. I like what I have watched so far. He’s mostly seen as a late teens player but Franz was a mid teens guy until later in the draft process
sactowndog
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What the Ringer says of de Silva
PLUSES
Effortless spot-up 3-point shooter who’s made nearly 40 percent of his catch-and-shoot 3s in college, per Synergy.
Coordinated at-rim finisher with a knack for opportunistic cuts and sealing off defenders under the rim, then using either hand to hit hook shots.
Capable of making every pass. He can run the break or a pick-and-roll and make creative left-handed wraparound passes to rollers. He makes entry passes look easy. Colorado stuck him in the middle of zones to pick apart defenses.
Competitive defender with the quickness to switch screens and the awareness to make timely rotations off the ball.
MINUSES
Lacks explosive athleticism, which limits his ability as a roller and lob finisher, as well as his capacity to turn the corner on drives.
He doesn’t inhale rebounds, and he’s not the most vertical athlete, so he’s best served as a forward and may not have the flexibility to play as a small-ball center.
iowamcnabb
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Sounds like a similar scouting report to Franz.
sactowndog
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similar though Franz is much longer
iowamcnabb
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do we know that? Tristan’s brother Oscar has a listed wingspan of just under 7 foot and they are the same size. Franz, as far as I can tell has a wingspan somewhere between 6’11 and 7 plus.
sactowndog
All-Star
we don’t as Wagner didn’t measure at the combine to get his standing reach. But he is 6’ 10 versus 6’ 9” but to your point that could be easily made up. Will be interesting how he measures
We're picking at 13 or 14 -- if you find an NBA starter in that range you've done your job. I don't think ruling guys out because they don't fit a position of need is a winning strategy where we're picking.
bajaden
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Yep, probably seen him play around 15 times this past season. I originally watched Colorado to see Cody Williams, but was impressed by Da Silva. He's actually a good defender away from the basket, and showed some rim protection as well. Good 3pt shooter who can put the ball on the floor a little. Better catch and shoot shooter than off the dribble. I like him quite a bit! Not sure what his upside is, but I'd say he has a high floor.
bajaden
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Ulrich Chomche: PF/C, 6'11", 240 Lb's, 7'4" Wingspan, 9'4" Standing reach, 18.5 Yr's old, NBA African League.
30.0 mpg - 13.0 ppg - 42.4% fgp - 38.1% 3pp - 75.0% ftp -9.0 rpg - 3.3 apg - 1.3 steals - 2.7 blocks
Let me start by saying he'll be the youngest player in the draft if he stays in the draft, and that will likely depend on feed back that he gets from the combine and possible workouts. When you add in that he came to the game late along with being that young, you have to be impressed with his skill level. He's a very good passer with good court vision. He's a good shooter who also has a midrange game including floaters, and at the basket, he's an animal, especially defensively.
He's an explosive leaper and a tenacious rebounder. He's very fast down the floor which makes him a lob threat. There's no doubt that he's raw in some areas, but by all accounts, he's a hard dedicated worker, and very humble. Apparently Yakiem Noah took him under his wing when he was 16 years old and started getting him the training he needed. I think Chomche has some of the highest upside in this draft. He has all the tools to be a great player. I like players that know how to play, and you don't usually find that in a player as young as him. But he has a remarkable feel for the game.
30.0 mpg - 13.0 ppg - 42.4% fgp - 38.1% 3pp - 75.0% ftp -9.0 rpg - 3.3 apg - 1.3 steals - 2.7 blocks
Let me start by saying he'll be the youngest player in the draft if he stays in the draft, and that will likely depend on feed back that he gets from the combine and possible workouts. When you add in that he came to the game late along with being that young, you have to be impressed with his skill level. He's a very good passer with good court vision. He's a good shooter who also has a midrange game including floaters, and at the basket, he's an animal, especially defensively.
He's an explosive leaper and a tenacious rebounder. He's very fast down the floor which makes him a lob threat. There's no doubt that he's raw in some areas, but by all accounts, he's a hard dedicated worker, and very humble. Apparently Yakiem Noah took him under his wing when he was 16 years old and started getting him the training he needed. I think Chomche has some of the highest upside in this draft. He has all the tools to be a great player. I like players that know how to play, and you don't usually find that in a player as young as him. But he has a remarkable feel for the game.
This is the exact kind of player one would want next to Sabonis. A freak athlete that also has top tier length and has a lot of potential as an offensive threat. You can see in that highlight he has some passing vision, very agile and quick, has some shooting ability, has the length/speed/athletic ability to be an elite defender, and is a decent free throw shooter.
When Sabonis was paired with Turner, they were an elite defensive duo. At the position we would probably be picking in, if Chomche is available, I would take the chance on him to be able to re-create that Sabonis-Turner duo.
sactowndog
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I agree with one key caveat. Picking a Davion and rarely giving him a chance to be a lead guard does neither the team nor the player much good.
Let me try to switch the perspective here... In the playoffs a coach is typically going to play their top 8 or 9 players and the better those 8-9 players are, the more likely you are to win. The starting lineup is important but so is having multiple players you can slot into combinations with some of your starters in order to win 6-8 minutes of game time in the second and third quarters. Often those chunks of game time will decide the outcome. Your starting PG isn't going to play all 48 (unless your coach is Tom Thibodeau) so you better have someone on your bench with lead guard qualities.
It also makes sense from a salary cap perspective to maximize the talent you add in the draft. Lottery picks are on affordable contracts for at least 4 years -- longer if you get them locked up with an extension. I would even argue that it's essential to continually hit on your first round picks in order to sustain playoff success. Specific to our situation right now, bringing in an elite talent through the draft to add to what we have now is our best pathway to winning a championship. Winning 46 (47) games and still picking at #13 or #14 is a golden opportunity. I feel like we would benefit immensely from drafting an elite talent at any position.
sactowndog
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Well we clearly differ in opinion and I will point to the Davion pick as to why.
Numerous forwards were on the board at that point and middle manager Monte refused to take a swing. Picking Davion was bad for his career and bad for the team. Had we taken an available longer forward (2 of which just kicked our ass for the 6th time in a row: Trey Murphy 17, Herb Jones 35) we maybe at least could compete.
Hard to imagine after the ass kicking Jones and Murphy just gave us…. people still insist on stacking players in areas we don’t need. How many times do you need to be punched in the nose before it sinks in? If Monte is of the same opinion I hope he is fired tomorrow.
sactowndog
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you are scaring me he won’t be available at 13/14.
For a guy who was at times (on at least some mocks) sitting in the #1 mock spot, I didn't see enough out of Cody to really justify top-spot ranking. But, it's a weak draft up top for sure. I'd be plenty happy to give him a shot if somehow he falls to us, but that feels unlikely. Draft evaluators seem relatively unperturbed by lackluster college performances in general (cf. Ben Simmons, Anthony Edwards) and it seems more often than not they're right. At least he shot well from three (but very low volume).
I think it's fair to say that we are going to be in favor of *every* potential lotto prospect declaring this year - every guy picked above us increases our options at #13/14, and we definitely don't expect to have a pick next year, so it's no big deal if talent that could have been there in 2025 instead hits the draft this year.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Secretly hoping we win the draft lottery AND Cooper Flagg finds out he’s somehow eligible for the 2024 draft during the combine.
If Adam Silver smiles down upon us with some magic lotto balls, I'd be perfectly happy just taking Risacher and calling it a day.
Of all the guys I've looked at so far, which is about 20, Risacher has been the least impressive to me. I've got Sarr and Dillingham 1-2 right now and I see All-Star potential with both of them. I'll post my thoughts in more detail once I see the rest of the first round guys but I was just talking to my friend yesterday about the draft (he's a Wizards fan) and he was high on Risacher at the top of the draft too. Somebody needs to sell me on Risacher. He just looks like tall spot-up shooter to me who I woudn't come close to using a lotto pick on. What am I missing?
The miss there wasn't picking a guard instead of a wing -- it was ranking Mitchell over Murphy and Jones (which almost everyone else did too, by the way). Planning to pick the best player on the board regardless of position and actually identifying that player correctly are two very different things. If we let that Davion pick influence us now to ignore all of the guards who are 6-3 or shorter in this draft whose to say we don't end up making the same mistake again?
Honestly I haven't seen film on Risacher - I'm not big on watching highlight mixes because I think they obscure so much of a player's game, and I don't even know if there is full game tape available on YouTube. I just made that comment based on size, need, and reputation. So the comment was more banter than hard analysis, didn't mean to cause confusion there.
I was able to see a few games of Sarr when his NBL team was playing the G-League and dude looked very solid. But he's maybe not the best fit for us.
Honestly, it would be a nice problem to have, but I don't think we'll have it.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
So far one player that looks almost identical to Franz on first look is Tidjane Salaun. Very similar in build. Both somewhat slow, but they have legit ball handling chops to operate in the paint and back out.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Davion being a small combo also has a lot to do with fit though. Small combo guards rarely find roles in the league regardless these days. Especially ones that old, that experienced, and ones that had limited PG ability coming into the NBA.
iowamcnabb
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I told myself I wasn’t going to spend all my free time looking up prospects after the pick trade last year but here I am haha.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Chomche is interesting although Monte has shown zero interest in that type of project. I wonder if he will play in the combine
sactowndog
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sactowndog
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that is whom Tankathon mocks to us.
sactowndog
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I would argue part of the reason Davion has not developed is because he was stuck behind Fox and Haliburton/Monk never got to be a lead guard. If we pick a guard 6’ 3” or shorter at 13/14, we are going to get the same result no matter who that player is.
Again if Monte repeats the same error he should be fired on the spot. I would argue that Mitchell pick given who was on the Kings roster and what was on the board is in the top 5-10 worst picks in Kings History.
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