[Rumor] Fischer: Keon Ellis a popular name on the market but Kings also interested in extending him

[pdxKingsFan]

Kinda dumb to agree ahead of time. Things change so quickly.

If Monk for Kuminga is the deal or they are two principals in a three team trade, why jeopardize it with a twisted ankle let alone something more serious? Anyone trading for Monk is doing it as part of a push for the playoffs this season and not so he's ready in 27-28 when they have a team together.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Playing Westbrook and Schroeder over Monk also makes sense if you, as the Kings powers that be (Perry, Christie, and per recent reports Sabonis), see Westbrook and Schroeder as point guards and Monk as not a point guard.

 

[The_Jamal]

It does if Monk is already agreed to in a trade package that can't go through for another week.

yeah, doesn't take rocket science to put this together. Kuminga last played on Dec 18th. "Coincidentally" Dec 18th is when Monk got his first DNP vs POR and since then:

POR-DNP
POR-DNP
HOU- 4:50
DET: 13:47
DAL: 19:00
LAL: 19:24
LAC: 11:06
BOS: 6:22
PHO: DNP
MIL: DNP
DAL: DNP

And I think he only got back in those games because LaVine was out and we just refuse to play Carter.

My guess is the principle of the deal is done. They're just seeing if there's anything to happen with Porter or Murphy where they have to tie in money from Sac to get it finished before the 15th. But you simply don't sit 2 very good rotation players in Monk/Kuminga for a month like they have for no reason.

As long as we aren't giving up FRP, Keon or Carter, I'll be good. Monk+1 or maybe 2 2nds to bring it home is solid for us

 

[pdxKingsFan]

yeah, doesn't take rocket science to put this together. Kuminga last played on Dec 18th. "Coincidentally" Dec 18th is when Monk got his first DNP vs POR and since then:

POR-DNP
POR-DNP
HOU- 4:50
DET: 13:47
DAL: 19:00
LAL: 19:24
LAC: 11:06
BOS: 6:22
PHO: DNP
MIL: DNP
DAL: DNP

And I think he only got back in those games because LaVine was out and we just refuse to play Carter.

My guess is the principle of the deal is done. They're just seeing if there's anything to happen with Porter or Murphy where they have to tie in money from Sac to get it finished before the 15th. But you simply don't sit 2 very good rotation players in Monk/Kuminga for a month like they have for no reason.

As long as we aren't giving up FRP, Keon or Carter, I'll be good. Monk+1 or maybe 2 2nds to bring it home is solid for us

Not sure why we should sweeten the deal at this point other than player for player after they FAFO'd the offseason. But yeah it is all too convenient. Wonder what might have happened during the stretch he was active though.

 

[Light it up]

Not sure why we should sweeten the deal at this point other than player for player after they FAFO'd the offseason. But yeah it is all too convenient. Wonder what might have happened during the stretch he was active though.

Any sweeteners better not be anything except Eubanks or 2nds. I could see them pushing for Precious.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Any sweeteners better not be anything except Eubanks or 2nds. I could see them pushing for Precious.

I am not sure if it is Maxime's play or the fact we actually are likely to have 2nd rounders play on the NBA team rather than 2-ways over the next 2 seasons that I am softening my "2nd round picks aren't worth much" stance. The second round is a sideshow run by player agents but if we are actually in the position to offering players genuine guaranteed NBA contracts over the next few years we should not be parting with them.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Any sweeteners better not be anything except Eubanks or 2nds. I could see them pushing for Precious.

Drew Eubanks is the calcium carbonate of sweeteners

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I am not sure if it is Maxime's play or the fact we actually are likely to have 2nd rounders play on the NBA team rather than 2-ways over the next 2 seasons that I am softening my "2nd round picks aren't worth much" stance. The second round is a sideshow run by player agents but if we are actually in the position to offering players genuine guaranteed NBA contracts over the next few years we should not be parting with them.

Presuming that a Monk-Kuminga deal is on the table (as we all speculate) we will probably have to give up at least this year's SRP (either ours or CHA's) to get it done. GSW have had a hard public stance about wanting a FRP for Kuminga from the jump - they likely won't get it but there's face to be saved here. A good SRP this year and then perhaps something like a 40-60 of a future SRP (2027 or 2032...we don't have any others!) might allow GSW to tell the public they got the value they wanted.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Presuming that a Monk-Kuminga deal is on the table (as we all speculate) we will probably have to give up at least this year's SRP (either ours or CHA's) to get it done. GSW have had a hard public stance about wanting a FRP for Kuminga from the jump - they likely won't get it but there's face to be saved here. A good SRP this year and then perhaps something like a 40-60 of a future SRP (2027 or 2032...we don't have any others!) might allow GSW to tell the public they got the value they wanted.

I guess. Or they could let Monk ball.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Or maybe it’s a 3 team deal where Monk goes to a team that actually wants him and THEY pay the draft pick to the Warriors

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Or maybe it’s a 3 team deal where Monk goes to a team that actually wants him and THEY pay the draft pick to the Warriors

I kind of wonder if MIL would hedge their bet on keeping Giannis by going in that direction. Kuzma, whatever to Dubs. No picks to give though.

 

[Caccia]

Sending Monk to Brooklyn, when so many teams need a dynamic guard right now, would be criminal. Send him to a contender!

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Sending Monk to Brooklyn, when so many teams need a dynamic guard right now, would be criminal. Send him to a contender!

I agree but maybe he and Jordi had a thing and at least you got Brooklyn and Manhattan as your playground?

 

[Caccia]

I agree but maybe he and Jordi had a thing and at least you got Brooklyn and Manhattan as your playground?

They did get along, so far as I remember. The Nets have been playing .500 ball since the start of December. They could certainly use Monk as a starting point guard. Did you ever hear of a Russian rookie named Egor Demin? Still, the team is already 8 games from the playoffs and 4.5 from the play-in.

 

[SacTownKid]

But when you shed LaVine/DDR/Monk, possibly Domas, that money has to go somewhere.

It can go in more flexible pieces on rookie contracts or bargain signings. Youth is one thing, but the ability to utilize rookie contract flexibility is almost mandatory these days. They squandered Fox's rookie years and instead tried to make moves up from day 1 rather than focusing on building a team long term. It was nothing short of a miracle they got one lone playoff appearance TBH.

 

[SacTownKid]

It all comes down to lottery luck and draft capital. The Spurs had money like that tied up then win top 4 picks three years in a row.

We need to always be trying to add an extra pick. I think even at the end of the golden years it was bad drafting and not trying to move up in drafts that doomed us to the 2008-2009 season.

Also, the truth is the Kings bigger signings recently have been the kind that cost draft capital not net it in return. Get space, have a little core of cheap youth, and then carry on. At least for a year or two.

 

[The_Jamal]

It can go in more flexible pieces on rookie contracts or bargain signings. Youth is one thing, but the ability to utilize rookie contract flexibility is almost mandatory these days. They squandered Fox's rookie years and instead tried to make moves up from day 1 rather than focusing on building a team long term. It was nothing short of a miracle they got one lone playoff appearance TBH.

How do you get to the salary floor on rookie scales and bargain signings?

Buy-low guys can be flipped, as we're seeing with MPJ. They likely get 2 FRP from somebody, which brings their total to 3 FRP for Cam Johnson.

Just because you get a good deal on Kuminga/Watson, etc, doesn't mean they're on the team forever. The hope is you get the breakout on your team and that puts you in control on whether to keep as a long-term option, or sell high like BKN is.

Now, I completely agree with you on the "Paolo" idea that's been going around the last few days. That's skipping steps and putting the cart way before the horse. But I think the Kings should ALWAYS be looking for potential breakout guys as they're bad; essentially it just helps them get to their salary floor, which they'll need here soon anyways once the vet exodus happens.

 

[SacTownKid]

How do you get to the salary floor on rookie scales and bargain signings?

Buy-low guys can be flipped, as we're seeing with MPJ. They likely get 2 FRP from somebody, which brings their total to 3 FRP for Cam Johnson.

Just because you get a good deal on Kuminga/Watson, etc, doesn't mean they're on the team forever. The hope is you get the breakout on your team and that puts you in control on whether to keep as a long-term option, or sell high like BKN is.

The Kings need to be positioning themselves to be the Nets, not focusing on pure talent grabs where salary isn't a factor. I mean, look at Kumingas value now, if he kind of stagnates to what he is they'll just be replacing Monks sketchy deal with the next one. This is KT to JT all over again potentially. They could always just sign one year contracts and preferably do what teams have done to the Kings in the past and be used as grease to facilitate other deals while picking up free picks in the process. Taking on other teams dead weight pays off.

Do teams still just spread the difference to the players on the team if they don't reach the floor? The Kings did that in the past didn't they? Regardless, the Kings as of now aren't getting any space for a few years unless they can unload major salary. If it were just Monk for Kuminga it's doable, but Perry has to let immediate results dictate the future when it comes to Kuminga because he doesn't have much time sit and gestate.