FIRE MIKE BROWN

[pdxKingsFan]

I am excited about Carter and I do wonder how much of the push to give Kevin minutes is to clear him from the books before Carter comes in and eats minutes but like what the hell are we doing where we get to the point that Fox is giving interviews and his agent is meeting with Monte to start telling what's what? It doesn't seem like if he was as excited about Carter he wouldn't just be putting his head down and waiting for him to take the court. I wish that's where we were at. I would think there's reason to be excited if Fox was just putting his head down and going to work.

 

[SacTownKid]

I am excited about Carter and I do wonder how much of the push to give Kevin minutes is to clear him from the books before Carter comes in and eats minutes but like what the hell are we doing where we get to the point that Fox is giving interviews and his agent is meeting with Monte to start telling what's what? It doesn't seem like if he was as excited about Carter he wouldn't just be putting his head down and waiting for him to take the court. I wish that's where we were at. I would think there's reason to be excited if Fox was just putting his head down and going to work.

It's not hard to connect some of the dots it just depends on what picture they are forming haha. Hopefully those dots aren't Monte having one vision and Brown having another. As soon as Carter started to ramp up the Huerter rumors started right back up which can't be a coincidence. This is what scares me because I fully expect Huerter to get those minutes if he stays knowing how Brown prioritizes his vets. Even Keon is giving way to Huerter right now.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Even Keon is giving way to Huerter right now.

I assume this is because they want to move Huerter and they want to keep Keon.

Ok, maybe this is a mixture of hope and assumption.

 

[SacTownKid]

I assume this is because they want to move Huerter and they want to keep Keon.

Ok, maybe this is a mixture of hope and assumption.

Yeah the hope is that Monte and Brown are on the same page, but we've seen Brown for 3 years now and even Cavs fans warned us about how he uses certain more established players. They seem to always have the edge.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

This is all based on moving DeRozan out or around and I can't see that happening with Brown. Murray's been guarding the best guard for 2 seasons now. That's where his energy issues would be. He did a great job against Siakam and didn't have to run around nearly as much off the pick and roll screens. He's a moving target as a POA defender since Brown wants them getting skinny over screens. Hard to get skinny when you're that big. Bigger forwards might be an issue, but there aren't many of them regardless. The Kings like all teams do eventually change it up though.

Keon was matched up on Curry when they won the play-in game and he was very effective in that post season spotlight. When they had him in the starting lineup and really anytime he's in, will be matched up on the best guard. This was the big surprise that they found last season, that he could have that kind of impact as their 3 & D guard. As a result, he earned a starting job when you consider the fit and how he balances the lineup,... but they panicked too soon and pulled him after only 2 starts, way before the low point they're at now.

There's a good chance that they've over extended Murray and asked him to do too much at this stage of his career. He is a later bloomer

 

[SacTownKid]

Keon was matched up on Curry when they won the play-in game and he was very effective in that post season spotlight. When they had him in the starting lineup and really anytime he's in, will be matched up on the best guard. This was the big surprise that they found last season, that he could have that kind of impact as their 3 & D guard. As a result, he earned a starting job when you consider the fit and how he balances the lineup,... but they panicked too soon and pulled him after only 2 starts, way before the low point they're at now.

There's a good chance that they've over extended Murray and asked him to do too much at this stage of his career. He is a later bloomer

No doubt, and the stats are proving that Keon as a POA defender is likely the way to go. With the way the Kings play defense it makes sense too since a quicker smaller defender is going to have an advantage navigating screens. Most teams that put bigger players on screen in roll action against the ball handler are doing it so they can switch. Which Brown does, the problem is obviously he either runs a blitz or a drop. Literally the two things you don't do in switch since it basically negates much of the point.

 

[GWD]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nb...&cvid=b4d3cb40073b40d88465e8256dcae8d6&ei=117

An important aspect of coaching that Popovich understands and the reason he can keep his teams with him.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

I would say it's deserved if he said "Keegan can play PF we need more guards" because whoever decided that is who should be first on the block.

He got him Jalen McDaniels though! And that’s straight from Monte’s mouth when he was questioned if he made attempts to fix our wing problem's, ****ing pathetic.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1871663267007140049

https://twitter.com/statuses/1871663938062123482

https://twitter.com/statuses/1871664513000640962

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1871663267007140049

https://twitter.com/statuses/1871663938062123482

https://twitter.com/statuses/1871664513000640962

How in Brown's mind, when searching for something to improve, he comes up with playing Keon less or not at all, is mind boggling.

How the hell is he coming to that conclusion, especially as a guy who has preached consistent defensive effort?

 

[GWD]

Face it, something is going on with Keon and Brown that we don't know about. Brown is aware of these numbers, just as we are.

The vast majority of this forum wants Keon to be playing more and during the last game the in-stadium fans even called for him. Nope. The resulting boos, if not directed at Brown, should have been.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Coaches are often told to play the guys that are getting paid the most. Either to trade them or because of some kind of salary pecking order.

I think it's safe to say that if Brown thought he was coaching for his job he wouldn't be going with the lineups he is running, at least I hope not. So he's either doing the bidding of management or he's trying to get fired.

Feel free to consider either option valid.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Coaches are often told to play the guys that are getting paid the most. Either to trade them or because of some kind of salary pecking order.

I think it's safe to say that if Brown thought he was coaching for his job he wouldn't be going with the lineups he is running, at least I hope not. So he's either doing the bidding of management or he's trying to get fired.

Feel free to consider either option valid.

I agree that they are probably managing the roster based on salaries, leading up to an attempt at a big trade. It's really the only explanation that makes any sense. Problem is that the lack of any rotational consistency has cost them games and likely contributed to a lost season

 

[Joshyjosh31]

I agree that they are probably managing the roster based on salaries, leading up to an attempt at a big trade. It's really the only explanation that makes any sense. Problem is that the lack of any rotational consistency has cost them games and likely contributed to a lost season

I refuse to believe this so you’re sacrificing wins for a trade that may or may not happen risking the chance of missing the playoffs. You’re not gonna somehow trade Huerter/lyles for an all star

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I refuse to believe this so you’re sacrificing wins for a trade that may or may not happen risking the chance of missing the playoffs. You’re not gonna somehow trade Huerter/lyles for an all star

None of the players most discussed as trade options that fit this roster, are all stars. Collins, Smith, Johnson, Grant, Isaac

The other option is they're idiots and can't recognize which players most influence a better chance to win. Possible, not as likely

 

[GWD]

If Mike Brown is merely a puppet of the front office and ownership, then that is a different kettle of fish (as the old saying goes). If his decisions are not his but rather at the direction of others then he gets a pass.

But that merely indicates that the higher-ups need to go, likely beginning with Monte. Perhaps even the team needs to be sold to new ownership that is committed to a winning team, not just profit (the team's value increase has been discussed on the forum elsewhere).

Then Mike Brown can demonstrate his rumored genius and the Kings can make a serious playoff run.

I'll put down the bong and bottle now.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

If Mike Brown is merely a puppet of the front office and ownership, then that is a different kettle of fish (as the old saying goes). If his decisions are not his but rather at the direction of others then he gets a pass.

But that merely indicates that the higher-ups need to go, likely beginning with Monte. Perhaps even the team needs to be sold to new ownership that is committed to a winning team, not just profit (the team's value increase has been discussed on the forum elsewhere).

Then Mike Brown can demonstrate his rumored genius and the Kings can make a serious playoff run.

I'll put down the bong and bottle now.

It's not out of the realm of possibility. It is Ranadive we're dealing with. Gives a guy an extension and raise, with the understanding that at any point in time the higher ups will manage the roster?

 

[forza kings]

There is not a single NBA team with Keon in their roster except for the Kings that he would finish a game with ZERO minutes unless sick or injured.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

There is not a single NBA team with Keon in their roster except for the Kings that he would finish a game with ZERO minutes unless sick or injured.

Can you imagine an organization like the Miami Heat finding an undrafted hidden gem, that goes on to play well and have real impact and they sign him to a regular contract.....then they suddenly don't play him much or at all? Neither can I

See Gabe Vincent as an example,...who the Heat scalped from the Stockton Kings

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

Welcome back, Vinny. It appears that history will absolve your positions.

Hope you stick around. There are more than two sympathizers emerging.

First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

Those who see thing first are often punished.

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

There is not a single NBA team with Keon in their roster except for the Kings that he would finish a game with ZERO minutes unless sick or injured.

Brown jerks guys around for no reason. I suspect he's a bit of a power tripper, and I think this is what rubbed Sasha the wrong way. The more Brown's true colors are starting to show, the more I think Sasha was done dirty.

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

How in Brown's mind, when searching for something to improve, he comes up with playing Keon less or not at all, is mind boggling.

How the hell is he coming to that conclusion, especially as a guy who has preached consistent defensive effort?

Because he is dumb as a rock?

 

[Vinny Basketballerino]

Because your "idea" has never happened in the history of professional sports. I cannot recall a team ever firing a successful coach and replacing him with someone on his own staff. Probably the closest is when the Warriors fired Mark Jackson and brought in Kerr, but Kerr was an outside hire.

You trying to victory lap as if you were right is truly something. What, I'm not sure, but it's something.

It'll take a little more time for you.

 

[Caccia]

I suspect he's a bit of a power tripper...

I have wondered about that, myself. Given his known stubborness and wide basketball knowledge, I suspect he also tends not to listen to people when they are trying to tell him something. That makes him slow to change strategies when they are not working.

 

[GWD]

Does anyone have a resource that enumerates the sophomoric "player's contract" that Mike Brown makes everybody sign? I've tried searching to no avail. It may give some insight into his thought process.

The contract may help define the "right way" we so often hear about from him when he denigrates the team (after making the deflection / justification disclaimer that "it starts with me".).

 

[KaiJonesBall]

Does anyone have a resource that enumerates the sophomoric "player's contract" that Mike Brown makes everybody sign? I've tried searching to no avail. It may give some insight into his thought process.

The contract may help define the "right way" we so often hear about from him when he denigrates the team (after making the deflection / justification disclaimer that "it starts with me".).

‘TEAM TEAM TEAM. Leave your ego at the door and buy into what I’m selling. This ain’t about you, it’s about us’. That’s the long and short of it. I heard Matt George talk about it the other day, mentioned he posted it on his twitter. I don’t have an account or else I would link it. It’s a nice tool when you are in your first season of turning around the culture of a franchise but should have been dropped after that. Same thing with the beam. Not knowing when to hold them or when to fold them is a trait this corny franchise has had since Vivek took over. And it shows in the scared, gutless, in over their head clowns he hires and attaches himself to.